Nothing to do with anything.

[Salty]

Anecdote tiem:

I was just in a bar. The Blue Fox, to be exact. I love this place and me and my future wife play dominoes on Saturdays there. Feel free to join us.

I was pretty upset about certain discussions regarding feminism. But I was getting over it using a Internet vacation (minus my feeds, which frighten me [thanks, Cain]) and some beer and some familiar places. At some point, my fiancé was killing me 2 out of 3. I got up and used the bathroom. On my way was a pool table where two hispanic gentlement were playing. One of them gave a good long look. As the bathroom door shut behind me I heard the all too familiar word:

"Maricon."

I did nothing. I was walking to the bathroom. And I realized FEMINISM can do nothing to help me. In this situation, a non-white male calling a white male a faggot... You know what that is? It's an asshole being an asshole. So I'll keep a watch out for assholes, and you can fucking KEEP feminism.

OR KILL ME.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Offer to style his hair since that is the literal translation.

I know thats no help. That sucks man. I honestly dont know what i would do in tht situation.

[Bu🤠ns]

I used to work in a restaurant where the cooks were all Mexican.  One of the gay Mexican servers once told me that the Mexican culture is incredibly more macho-oriented than we are in America.  I've been called 'Maricon' many many times there because I'm kinda fabulous.  I mean I'm not THAT fabulous, but apparently fabulous enough for them. 

Many of these guys would send money back to their families at home while working two, sometimes three jobs and sleep on a hard floor with a bunch of others (according to my server pal).

During this time I would go home, enjoy my children, make love to my wife and even be able to screw around on the internet if I wanted.

One way of looking at this scene is that I'm not sacrificing enough for my family...another way of looking at this scene is that they are slaves to their roles. 

I'm certainly not a faggot and I also don't feel the need to be wrapped up in so much machismo that it prevents me from being as fabulous as I wanna be, enjoy my family.  I also don't go around calling people faggot because I feel this obsessive urge to reinforce my own macho reality. 

I'm not sure if this is really relevant to your thread or not, but it seemed like that at first and it's also where my head is at right now. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You can take your fucking gay rights and cram them up your ass then, if you want to play bullshit divisive games with it. Is that what you really want? To play the game of "who has it worse than who"?

I'LL TELL YOU, NIGGERS IN THE ANTEBELLUM SOUTH COULDN'T HAVE HAD IT ANY WORSE THAN WHITE MEN TODAY.

Fuck you. This place is not for me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe you fucks can find some way to make your mental acrobatics justify the shitty treatment Mexican immigrants are receiving in the US, because somewhere a Mexican immigrant did something shitty to a white American.

[Bu🤠ns]

It IS shitty--but this isn't about Mexicans.

[Salty]

You can take your fucking gay rights and cram them up your ass then, if you want to play bullshit divisive games with it. Is that what you really want? To play the game of "who has it worse than who"?

I'LL TELL YOU, NIGGERS IN THE ANTEBELLUM SOUTH COULDN'T HAVE HAD IT ANY WORSE THAN WHITE MEN TODAY.

Fuck you. This place is not for me.

I'm a little pissed off today. What happened there didn't help. But the main point is like to express is that we do more by working together against a common enemy than we do splitting things off in as detailed a way as possible. The more bifurcated we are the more difficult it is to effect necessary change. 

AND when it comes to sexuality details that tie us together matter more than generalization that's divide us.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

No, it's apparently about white men being sick and tired of being told they aren't second class citizens. RECLAIM IT, WHITE MEN!

This place has turned blatantly hostile, as far as I'm concerned. From my count about 2/3 of the white men here now refuse to support feminism because they don't like the way one college student phrases things, and they don't care WHO they throw under the bus in pursuit of refusing to acknowledge privilege.

FUCK FEMINISM

DON'T FUCKING TELL ME WOMEN AND COLORED FOLK AREN'T EQUAL, WHITE MEN HAVE IT JUST AS BAD, I HAVE A COUPLE ANECDOTES RIGHT HERE TO PROVE IT.

QUIT TRYING TO BE ALL SPECIAL WITH YOUR "OPPRESSION" BULLSHIT.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

WE ARE EQUALLY DISEMPOWERED, JUST IN DIFFERENT WAYS, DON'T TELL ME OTHERWISE OR I WON'T SUPPORT YOUR LITTLE MOVEMENT.

[Salty]

Yeah, all right. Clearly I need to step away from this subject and this place for a little bit.

That's not what I was trying to say at all.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

DON'T CALL ME WHITE!

[Salty]

DON'T CALL ME WHITE!

THAT'S IT. YOU NAILED IT. ALL CAPS!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Well I'm NOT fucking sorry. I have seen more knuckle-dragging, chest-beating, ego-driven mouthbreathing here over this subject than I EVER expected to see over ANYTHING. I have seen flat out wingnut-level denial and MANIFEST FUCKING RETARDATION all in pursuit of denying the reality of social inequality between the sexes. I have seen people I look up to say things more suited to the mouths of politicians. I have seen WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE bare its canines and roar in SHEER MONKEY OUTRAGE at being pointed at with a finger. I can't imagine that I can come back to this board and stomach it and have serious conversations here after seeing the things some people have said; it's when you overhear someone you once respected talking about "them niggers"; you can't ever really look them in the eye again.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

DON'T CALL ME WHITE!

THAT'S IT. YOU NAILED IT. ALL CAPS!

Yeah, quite honestly, I think I did.

[Salty]

Well I'm NOT fucking sorry. I have seen more knuckle-dragging, chest-beating, ego-driven mouthbreathing here over this subject than I EVER expected to see over ANYTHING. I have seen flat out wingnut-level denial and MANIFEST FUCKING RETARDATION all in pursuit of denying the reality of social inequality between the sexes. I have seen people I look up to say things more suited to the mouths of politicians. I have seen WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE bare its canines and roar in SHEER MONKEY OUTRAGE at being pointed at with a finger. I can't imagine that I can come back to this board and stomach it and have serious conversations here after seeing the things some people have said; it's when you overhear someone you once respected talking about "them niggers"; you can't ever really look them in the eye again.

Oh hey, no, I got it. We are clear there.