The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written

[Verbal Mike]

I'd just like to point out that non-sexual employment tends to be vastly different than sexual employment, not just because of social mores; there are fundamentally different physical and chemical forces at play, because of the biology of sex.  Sex as a job simply doesn't equate to installing kitchens or entering data as a job, because of the endocrine cascade that sex produces.

Yes, but on the other hand it is not fundamentally different (in that way, I mean) to acting or dancing or the circus or making music (the performing arts) as forms of earning money: all of those, if they are any good, involve tremendous hormonal cascades in the performer as well.

So, wait.  A musician and a prostitute have the same job stress?

Well that's I think an overly simplistic question and of course I am not saying that. But I think there is overlap. And I am pretty certain that some prostitutes (I've known a few, not as a punter I hasten to add) and some porn actresses (a few years after we split up, my first ever girlfriend dabbled for a few months, got out of the financial tight spot and quit, said she knew many others who did this) have significantly less job stress than many working musicians. I am also (just to make it clear) totally clear on the fact the exploitation in the sex industry can be quite heavy. Though I am sure you can think of examples of exploitation in the music business being also quite brutal.

I dunno. Whenever I think about all of the awful, abusive things I've seen almost every fucking time I looked for porn I can enjoy, and the sheer ration of awful-to-nice that I've experienced on every single site, I can definitely say I don't think musicians and other non-sexual performers have it nearly as bad. Absolutely fucking awful seems to be the norm in mainstream porn.

[Dildo Argentino]

So, aiding communication between parties who would otherwise be unable to trade ideas = selling yourself as a dildo / fleshlight.


Wow. Great job, skippy.

Well I don't see that much of a difference: they could learn languages, they could hire in-house translators (the really demanding people, for whom quality is paramount, often do, but that's a very small slice of the market). Apart from that, aiding parties in obtaining sexual gratification who would otherwise be unable to get off... so diff'rent?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

[Freeky]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

Absolutely!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The way I am in this business, is nothing short of hiring out a precious body part to any solvent dick I don't find TOO offensive.

Then you're one step up, aren't you?

[Dildo Argentino]

Absolutely fucking awful seems to be the norm in mainstream porn.

Whereas of course absolutely fucking awful is not the norm in popular music and the popular movie industry?

They make what people buy. There are actually many "behind the scenes" movies that seem entirely uncontrived, and which seem to indicate that people in porn have a lot of laughs, don't take themselves very seriously, and work in an atmosphere of entrepreneurial camaraderie quite reminiscent of smaller graphics studios of software houses, only they have their privates out a lot and also use them. This makes for staid, unpassionate, boring porn. Much like the music industry and the movie industry makes for staid, unpassionate, boring content, most of the time.

[Dildo Argentino]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

pfff, come off it 

[Verbal Mike]

I've worked in translation, and I find the comparison offensive in its tastelessness and trivialization of something you and I have not personally experienced, holist.

Have you made a living and supported a large family on translation for seventeen years without any even marginally better possibilities, offers? I am sorry to have caused offence. And of course it is entirely possible to work in translation without it being prostitution. The way I am in this business, is nothing short of hiring out a precious body part to any solvent dick I don't find TOO offensive.

My mother has lived primarily off of translation for well over a decade (but she's so fast, good, and professional, that she's usually been able to choose what jobs she does) and a good friend of mine here has been living off of more take-what-you-can-get kind of translations for a similar period of time, supporting a family on her own.

I'm unfortunately too young to have had that kind of experience, and have so far been fortunate not to work in anything seriously exploitative or awful so far.

Nonetheless, both you and I have not actually worked as female prostitutes or porn stars, and cannot claim to have experienced that, and you seem to be ignoring a very concrete reality of that kind of work.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Absolutely fucking awful seems to be the norm in mainstream porn.

Whereas of course absolutely fucking awful is not the norm in popular music and the popular movie industry?

Really?  How long does a recording artist's ass bleed after a session in the studio?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

pfff, come off it 

Yeah, you're right.  Prostitutes are all just those happy hookers, who do it for the love of the job.  And there are no pimps.

In related news, bankers are honest, politicians aren't thieves, and that nice man in the alley really just wants to know what time it is.

[Dildo Argentino]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

Also, while you happily misrepresent my views, I do know a great many self-employed translators, and they do get into some twisted shit to make enough in a very competitive market with very many customers whose only requirement is low price... serial-allnighting, speed abuse, major painkillers for the headaches plus bribery and manipulative crap to pull jobs - it's all there for those with the stomach for it. So no, the jobs are not identical, but they share some characteristics. More than you'd think.

[Freeky]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

Absolutely!

Not to mention the diseases you can catch while translating. Move over AIDS! Here comes dry mouth!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

Also, while you happily misrepresent my views, I do know a great many self-employed translators, and they do get into some twisted shit to make enough in a very competitive market with very many customers whose only requirement is low price... serial-allnighting, speed abuse, major painkillers for the headaches plus bribery and manipulative crap to pull jobs - it's all there for those with the stomach for it. So no, the jobs are not identical, but they share some characteristics. More than you'd think.

Really?  And just how much experience do you have with the prostitution trade, from any pov?

[LMNO]

Holist, I think you may need to step away and think about what you're actually saying.

And not in some higher-plane metaphysical/philosophical discussion where existence is utility-based and interchangable.  Think about what you're saying in the real world.  Really strive to make your thoughts live as if they were right in front of you.

Because, dude, you're sounding like a sociopathic dick right now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, Holist doesn't do enough translating business today.  His pimp comes by and chokes him out, kicks him around a little, and then rents him out to rough trade for a week.

Yeah, the two jobs are identical.

Absolutely!

Not to mention the diseases you can catch while translating. Move over AIDS! Here comes dry mouth!

Hey, translating is HARD WORK.  Sometimes the johns beat you up or stab you and throw you in a dumpster.

Holist is the REAL victim, here.