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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, October 20, 2012, 05:36:39 PM

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Anna Mae Bollocks

#105
October 27, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#106
October 27, 2012, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 27, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
Chinese guy sues wife for being ugly and wins:
http://myfox8.com/2012/10/26/chinese-man-sues-wife-for-being-ugly-wins-lawsuit/

:x :x :x

That's insane.

Also I can't seem to find an original source... all the usual tabloids are circulating the same story without any citations. Anyone else have any better luck?

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Anna Mae Bollocks

#107
October 27, 2012, 09:51:41 PM
Google gives me the same as you're getting.

It does have a Weekly World News ambience.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#108
October 27, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 27, 2012, 09:51:41 PM
Google gives me the same as you're getting.

It does have a Weekly World News ambience.

Yeah, something feels off about this. Even "Jian Feng divorce" doesn't come up with anything that looks legit.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#109
October 27, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
The fact that every story references the divorce "earlier this year" as if there had been news stories about it, but no such stories are surfacing in searches, is really suspicious. Even more suspicious is this EXACT SAME STORY from February, with the same wording: http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20455/48/

A little more delving and I found the same story, from 2004: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_26-5-2004_pg9_8

I call hoax.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Anna Mae Bollocks

#110
October 28, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
2004? Yeah, hoax.

Somebody brought it up at the Snopes forum back then, but it never went any further: http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=76;t=001217;p=0
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Anna Mae Bollocks

#111
October 28, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
TinEye gave 0 results on the image, but I'm pretty willing to bet it's from a plastic surgeon's ad someplace.
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Q. G. Pennyworth

#112
October 28, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
From the comments on the Fox article: http://www.otsuka-biyo.co.jp/bc/case003.html

Anna Mae Bollocks

#113
October 28, 2012, 01:19:00 AM
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#114
October 28, 2012, 01:45:41 AM
Annnnd BAM!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Epimetheus

#115
October 31, 2012, 07:39:36 AM
I didn't see it mentioned here, so:

Does beauty being an invalid measure of human value mean that a person complimented for their beauty cannot justifiably be pleased with themselves?
On the one hand, the beauty is a chance genetic mixture that has no relation to the person's value, as stated.
On the other, is there not some kind of true compliment which is NOT a value judgment in saying, "You are aesthetically pleasing to me" ? I want to make an analogy about complimenting an artwork, but of course an artwork is produced by the artist's intent and manipulations - which (ignoring surgery) does not apply...

Just some conceptual cud-chewin'.

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Reginald Ret

#116
October 31, 2012, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: chimes on October 31, 2012, 07:39:36 AM
I didn't see it mentioned here, so:

Does beauty being an invalid measure of human value mean that a person complimented for their beauty cannot justifiably be pleased with themselves?
On the one hand, the beauty is a chance genetic mixture that has no relation to the person's value, as stated.
On the other, is there not some kind of true compliment which is NOT a value judgment in saying, "You are aesthetically pleasing to me" ? I want to make an analogy about complimenting an artwork, but of course an artwork is produced by the artist's intent and manipulations - which (ignoring surgery) does not apply...

Just some conceptual cud-chewin'.

- Ruminant, PhD.
Theoretically, yes. In this society, no. It would be a pretty mild compliment though, and not really beneficial to the receiver.
Now that i think about it, it would be a dick-move disguised as a compliment. Like the sort of compliment that starts with "Well, at least you are (consistent/not completely retarded/entertaining)" With a HUGE implied 'but...' afterwards.
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Dildo Argentino

#117
October 31, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: chimes on October 31, 2012, 07:39:36 AM
... beauty is a chance genetic mixture that has no relation to the person's value ...

I'm afraid that is a misconception. Although it has some underlying genetic factors, personal beauty is actually largely a cultural construct and is ultimately a (conscious or unconscious) achievement of  the individual (embedded in a social context).
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

LMNO

#118
October 31, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
Nigel, this veers off the original point, but what about someone who has a certain genetic makeup that may or may not conform to the current social norms, but then attempts to compliment that makeup with, well, fashion?

Looking good doesn't alway have to be about bone structure or body type, it can also be about concious choices of what to wear, and how to groom yourself.

When someone says "you look good," how much is a commentary about genetics, and how much is commentary on how we present those genetics?

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#119
October 31, 2012, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: chimes on October 31, 2012, 07:39:36 AM
I didn't see it mentioned here, so:

Does beauty being an invalid measure of human value mean that a person complimented for their beauty cannot justifiably be pleased with themselves?
On the one hand, the beauty is a chance genetic mixture that has no relation to the person's value, as stated.
On the other, is there not some kind of true compliment which is NOT a value judgment in saying, "You are aesthetically pleasing to me" ? I want to make an analogy about complimenting an artwork, but of course an artwork is produced by the artist's intent and manipulations - which (ignoring surgery) does not apply...

Just some conceptual cud-chewin'.

- Ruminant, PhD.

Of course someone complimented for their beauty should feel good about it. There is a huge difference between appreciating beauty, and using beauty as the ultimate determinant of human value. Complimenting beauty is not in itself a value judgement of human worth.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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