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Is it normal for there to be enough volts in your plumbing to ignite steel wool?

Started by Bruno, November 10, 2012, 09:15:13 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#15
November 12, 2012, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: CAKE on November 12, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Also, if the place catches fire and it comes out that you knew about it and didn't report it, you could be held liable. If the landlord is a "pretty nice guy" stop fucking around with his investment. I had an ungrounded circuit in my house and it cost sixty bucks to fix it, which is a fuckton less than my insurance deductible if the place had caught on fire. Or funeral arrangements for my kids.

This.

FFS.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
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The Good Reverend Roger

#16
November 12, 2012, 07:27:11 PM
Emo Howard is apparently channeling Filthy Apprentice.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Bruno

#17
November 12, 2012, 08:33:24 PM
Landlord has been called. He's sending someone over to look at it.

I've checked the voltage on the pipe with the stove on, and there was just a few millivolts, which is probably just normal EM voltage from the pipe acting as an antenna. It seems to be coming only from the dryer, which we won't be using again until everything's fixed.



I guess now I'll never know how much current was flowing through that pipe.  :cry:
Formerly something else...

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#18
November 13, 2012, 05:15:25 PM
I'm glad you did the right thing.

"How much current is flowing through that pipe" is not really a very interesting question, anyway.
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Bruno

#19
November 13, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
That's because you don't know just enough about electricity to be dangerous, like I do.

Imagine someone with a Bachelor's in Biology discovering a nest of vipers under their house, and then wanting to find out exactly what species they are.

Or something like that.


Emo Howard: Twentysomething semester hours of classes on electricity, one chapter in one class on electrical safety.



Here's more on the subject in the form of a song by TMBG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKDE0Dgdkg4
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Elder Iptuous

#20
November 13, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
They didn't have a single lick of electrical safety in my entire EE curriculum...

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#21
November 13, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 13, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
That's because you don't know just enough about electricity to be dangerous, like I do.

Imagine someone with a Bachelor's in Biology discovering a nest of vipers under their house, and then wanting to find out exactly what species they are.

Or something like that.


Emo Howard: Twentysomething semester hours of classes on electricity, one chapter in one class on electrical safety.



Here's more on the subject in the form of a song by TMBG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKDE0Dgdkg4

:lol: You might be surprised by how much I know about electricity, because I used to rewire things for a living. I would say that I know just enough to not be a hazard to myself or others. The training kind of emphasized safety, for liability reasons.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#22
November 13, 2012, 09:19:04 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on November 13, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
They didn't have a single lick of electrical safety in my entire EE curriculum...

On the other hand, I have lowly electricians working for me.  I conduct safety classes every week.

EEs have no business anywhere near actual electricity.  They should in fact hire people to flip light switches for them.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#24
November 13, 2012, 09:46:10 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on November 13, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
Asshole.  :lol:

No, I am not an asshole.  MARK TWAIN was an asshole.  Look what he does to Fenimore Cooper, a fellow author.


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fenimore_Cooper%27s_Literary_Offences
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Elder Iptuous

#25
November 13, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
will read tonight.
haven't ever read anything by Clemens that wasn't awesome.

Bruno

#26
November 14, 2012, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on November 13, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
They didn't have a single lick of electrical safety in my entire EE curriculum...

I had an entire class on industrial safety, but electrical safety was just one chapter.

I'm not an EE, though. I'm a "Technologist". I'm not even eligible to take the PE exam.
Formerly something else...

Bruno

#27
November 14, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: CAKE on November 13, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 13, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
That's because you don't know just enough about electricity to be dangerous, like I do.

Imagine someone with a Bachelor's in Biology discovering a nest of vipers under their house, and then wanting to find out exactly what species they are.

Or something like that.


Emo Howard: Twentysomething semester hours of classes on electricity, one chapter in one class on electrical safety.



Here's more on the subject in the form of a song by TMBG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKDE0Dgdkg4

:lol: You might be surprised by how much I know about electricity, because I used to rewire things for a living. I would say that I know just enough to not be a hazard to myself or others. The training kind of emphasized safety, for liability reasons.


Really? Because I could tell you the counter-EMF of a 4 conductor DC motor turning at 600 RPM with 100 mWb of flux per pole (eventually, after consulting a book or two), but I couldn't tell you if it is normal for a house to be wired with neutral connected to ground, which mine is, apparently.

Is that normal? It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#28
November 14, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 14, 2012, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on November 13, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
They didn't have a single lick of electrical safety in my entire EE curriculum...

I had an entire class on industrial safety, but electrical safety was just one chapter.

I'm not an EE, though. I'm a "Technologist". I'm not even eligible to take the PE exam.

Good.  A PE makes you dumb.  I'm not sure how that works.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Elder Iptuous

#29
November 14, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 14, 2012, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on November 13, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
They didn't have a single lick of electrical safety in my entire EE curriculum...

I had an entire class on industrial safety, but electrical safety was just one chapter.

I'm not an EE, though. I'm a "Technologist". I'm not even eligible to take the PE exam.

Good.  A PE makes you dumb.  I'm not sure how that works.

i'm thinking the reason is that engineering disproportionately gets SGitRs.  you give them a paper that tells them they're 'smart', and they get cocky.  you give them a test that says they're really 'smart', and they won't listen to nobody.  even that electrician with 50 fucking years of experience who's telling them they're about to get a nice jolt if they keep doing what they're doing.
and, like they say....
you can always tell an engineer; you just can't tell 'em much.
but also, generalizations are generalizations, generally.

Emo:  what's the deal with technologist degree?  what's the curriculum difference with engineering, and what's the advantage?
also, i'm not a power guy, but the practice of connecting ground to neutral has always seemed convoluted to me.  my uncle's an electrician, and when i asked him, he agreed that a straight answer will always miss stuff, regardless of NEC, and that it really is clear as mud. 
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