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China: Colony of Colonialists.

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, November 28, 2012, 06:53:33 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Cain on November 28, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
Pretty much every successful modern state must be, by definition, colonial.  When viewed in a historical perspective.

China is a great example, because the Han Chinese historically did not control the entire landmass of what we call China today.  No, they conquered and intermarried and bought and murdered for it.

And the same is true of any existing state: it is built on the back of at least a dozen more dead states, tribes that were conquered, sold into slavery, intermarried with or forbidden from high status due to their ethnic group. 

France, after all, was not always France.  Gaul was competing tribes, and the name "France" itself comes from its Germanic conquerors, the Frankish.  They invaded across the Rhine, subjugated the "French" kingdoms, who were themselves often of Visigothic stock - from the plains near the Danube, as far as anyone can tell.

The Avars trailblazed a route which the Seljurk Turks followed - if somewhat less successfully in terms of geographic reach, out of Central Asia and to conquer new lands in the Middle East and southern Europe.

And to deal with more the substance of your argument, there are class ties between each state in the modern world.  Most Americans are in particular loathe to admit this, because it sounds like the sort of thing Karl Marx would say (he did).  But it's in many respects true.  I know, because my job involves catering to certain elements of the ultra-rich - people who have several mansions, who fly from Frankfurt to London to New York and stay in five-star hotels all the way. 

These are the people who let American and German corporations set up in their countries, or own subsidaries of such companies, or make their wealth exploiting their own people for the benefit of such companies.  They have about as much in common with the average person in their country as your average Teabagger does with Bill Gates.  Meanwhile, I have Chinese and British and Indian and Russian students who all went to school together, all went to University together, all subscribe to more or less the same ideas who then go on to work in the investment banks, the hedge funds, the multinational and defense corporate conglomerates....who has more in common, really?

Annnnnd yep.
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This was very helpful, illuminating, etc.  :)
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