Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!

[Faust]

Wait...mom was a gun nut with a house full of guns and it was her gun?

And the guy had a diagnosis?

So this was a case of mom dropping the ball a la Andrea Yates husband? "It'll be fine..."

And everybody's trying to use a bunch of dead kids as leverage to push legislation when what should have happened was SOMEBODY NOT BEING A FUCKING MORON?

Am I understanding this correctly?

A moron with her legally purchased guns let another moron have access to these guns go on a shooting spree yes, as long as it's legal morons will get guns. To Push legislation that separates morons from guns doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

There is also the argument that the proliferation of guns now makes that kind of legislation irrelevant, if so I would suggest the US military be used to carpet bomb the worst effected regions if they are such a lost cause that trying to reverse the problem is not an option.

[Dildo Argentino]

To Push legislation that separates morons from guns doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

At a superficial level, it seems entirely rational and not a bad thing.

Think a little deeper (use your Thinking Spade^TM for this), and I think you'll realise that doing this makes you an active supporter of the notion that pushing for legislation (any legislation) is a viable way of improving the increasingly global, increasingly cancerous post-industrial society. It is not. This is sad and sometimes desperately depressing, hard to face, but it is a fact. In my opinion. 

[Faust]

To Push legislation that separates morons from guns doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

At a superficial level, it seems entirely rational and not a bad thing.

Think a little deeper (use your Thinking Spade^TM for this), and I think you'll realise that doing this makes you an active supporter of the notion that pushing for legislation (any legislation) is a viable way of improving the increasingly global, increasingly cancerous post-industrial society. It is not. This is sad and sometimes desperately depressing, hard to face, but it is a fact. In my opinion. 

Ok holist. I'm currently pushing for abortion legislation to be brought into Ireland. I am an active support that legislation is a viable way of improving some aspects of society.
But I realise I have just wasted my time responding to you on this and I won't be making that mistake again.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Wait...mom was a gun nut with a house full of guns and it was her gun?

And the guy had a diagnosis?

So this was a case of mom dropping the ball a la Andrea Yates husband? "It'll be fine..."

And everybody's trying to use a bunch of dead kids as leverage to push legislation when what should have happened was SOMEBODY NOT BEING A FUCKING MORON?

Am I understanding this correctly?

A moron with her legally purchased guns let another moron have access to these guns go on a shooting spree yes, as long as it's legal morons will get guns. To Push legislation that separates morons from guns doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

A lot of morons get them illegally.
Maybe the legislation needs to target the moron side of this and not the gun side. 

I know, I know, not doable...

There is also the argument that the proliferation of guns now makes that kind of legislation irrelevant, if so I would suggest the US military be used to carpet bomb the worst effected regions if they are such a lost cause that trying to reverse the problem is not an option.

TEXAS!!!!! YEEEE HAWWWWWWW! 

[Faust]

Wait...mom was a gun nut with a house full of guns and it was her gun?

And the guy had a diagnosis?

So this was a case of mom dropping the ball a la Andrea Yates husband? "It'll be fine..."

And everybody's trying to use a bunch of dead kids as leverage to push legislation when what should have happened was SOMEBODY NOT BEING A FUCKING MORON?

Am I understanding this correctly?

A moron with her legally purchased guns let another moron have access to these guns go on a shooting spree yes, as long as it's legal morons will get guns. To Push legislation that separates morons from guns doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

A lot of morons get them illegally.
Maybe the legislation needs to target the moron side of this and not the gun side. 

I know, I know, not doable...

"The Gun side"
Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side? overthrown many tyrants lately, shot many redcoats lately? I agree though both the legal purchase of guns and the illegally acquired weapons should be dealt with equally in effort to stop each.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

[Eater of Clowns]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

And the comments are quite a look into the mental illness stigma.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

And it takes us right back to the school to prison pipeline.
Whether their wiring is funny or not.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

And the comments are quite a look into the mental illness stigma.

I only read a few of them, and they all raised points that were valid in different ways... even the one that said (in less pretty terms) that if you have a child you believe is capable of mass murder, you should take any measure available to prevent it, however extreme. I don't think that's the solution; I think that a more supportive, less toxic culture is the solution. But until we live in such a culture, we only have the options that are available to us.

Which comments did you have in mind, specifically?
 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

And it takes us right back to the school to prison pipeline.
Whether their wiring is funny or not.

Yep.

Using the legal system to punish people for being mentally ill is the exact opposite of a solution.

[Eater of Clowns]

This was a really interesting post that I think cuts right to the heart of things: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

And the comments are quite a look into the mental illness stigma.

I only read a few of them, and they all raised points that were valid in different ways... even the one that said (in less pretty terms) that if you have a child you believe is capable of mass murder, you should take any measure available to prevent it, however extreme. I don't think that's the solution; I think that a more supportive, less toxic culture is the solution. But until we live in such a culture, we only have the options that are available to us.

Which comments did you have in mind, specifically?

"You're a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!"

Growing up, if those words had escaped my big mouth, I would be sore all over for a week. Back then, child services didn't scare anybody. The line was; "Spare the rod, spoil the kid".

Quite a few of them stemming from the conversation starting with that comment, the idea that an individual with mental illness is just a solid spanking away from perfectly good health and it's the parents, not society, that failed them.

[Pæs]

I didn't cry, nor fap (maybe a little)

wut

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I didn't cry, nor fap (maybe a little)

wut

[Pæs]

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]