Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Effect on the murder rates with guns or the total figure.

What possible difference does that make?  If you're dead, you're dead, whether you are shot with an illegal gun, stabbed, strangled, whatever.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Accidental deaths are ok because I want to be able to swim in my pool and drive my car.

At no point have I said anything about any death being okay.  It's a stupid analogy anyway and I should have just ignored it.  Guns are for killing, pools are for swimming.  To outlaw death we'd need to outlaw living.  But you can outlaw intentional death and put up barriers to make mass intentional death more difficult.

SOMEONE SHOULD OUTLAW INTENTIONAL DEATH.

We should also bubble-wrap the entire population.

[Faust]

Effect on the murder rates with guns or the total figure.

What possible difference does that make?  If you're dead, you're dead, whether you are shot with an illegal gun, stabbed, strangled, whatever.

Because there probably isn't a rate from a time when there are no guns in recent years, which pushes me towards the Lost cause column again.
It's now half one, I have to get up for work in five an a half hours.

[Pæs]

Accidental deaths are ok because I want to be able to swim in my pool and drive my car.

At no point have I said anything about any death being okay.  It's a stupid analogy anyway and I should have just ignored it.  Guns are for killing, pools are for swimming.  To outlaw death we'd need to outlaw living.  But you can outlaw intentional death and put up barriers to make mass intentional death more difficult.

SOMEONE SHOULD OUTLAW INTENTIONAL DEATH.

We should also bubble-wrap the entire population.

Would that help against the javelinas?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Effect on the murder rates with guns or the total figure.

What possible difference does that make?  If you're dead, you're dead, whether you are shot with an illegal gun, stabbed, strangled, whatever.

Because there probably isn't a rate from a time when there are no guns in recent years, which pushes me towards the Lost cause column again.
It's now half one, I have to get up for work in five an a half hours.

There has never been a time in America in which there were no guns.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Accidental deaths are ok because I want to be able to swim in my pool and drive my car.

At no point have I said anything about any death being okay.  It's a stupid analogy anyway and I should have just ignored it.  Guns are for killing, pools are for swimming.  To outlaw death we'd need to outlaw living.  But you can outlaw intentional death and put up barriers to make mass intentional death more difficult.

SOMEONE SHOULD OUTLAW INTENTIONAL DEATH.

We should also bubble-wrap the entire population.

Would that help against the javelinas?

If you use enough of it.

[Faust]

News at 1:30: Little Billy brought a pool to school, kills 30 More after this commercial breakdown.

[Pæs]

               I'll give you what for!                                        Come at me, good sir!
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[AFK]

Also RWHN, automatic.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.

To wit, an automatic firearm is one that will continuously discharge while the trigger is held down. Which is not what is commonly available to the citizens of the US, nor is it the type that that majority of "assault" rifles are. This includes military rifles.

Shoosh.  He's an expert on this.  Fully automatic, semi automatic, what's the difference?

Get rid of them both, fine by me.

No.

Don't worry, we happen to have a complete puss of a President right now so it will never happen anyway.

Also, since when does the president legislate?

You know damn well what I meant, don't be obtuse.  He doesn't have the stones to actually rally his party to put forth any meaningful legislation that would make any meaningful change.  Anything he says now after the tragedy is window dressing, and as Faust pointed out early in the thread, he's already starting to puss out.

[Don Coyote]

See, it's ok that drowning kills more children than guns, because you can't bring a pool to the school and drown children with it.
Kill people one at a time, and it's ok.

[Pæs]

Accidental deaths are ok because I want to be able to swim in my pool and drive my car.

At no point have I said anything about any death being okay.  It's a stupid analogy anyway and I should have just ignored it.  Guns are for killing, pools are for swimming.  To outlaw death we'd need to outlaw living.  But you can outlaw intentional death and put up barriers to make mass intentional death more difficult.

SOMEONE SHOULD OUTLAW INTENTIONAL DEATH.

We should also bubble-wrap the entire population.

Would that help against the javelinas?

If you use enough of it.

Well, that's that solved, then. You don't need your guns after all.

[Don Coyote]

               I'll give you what for!                                        Come at me, good sir!
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THAT IS FUCKING 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also RWHN, automatic.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.

To wit, an automatic firearm is one that will continuously discharge while the trigger is held down. Which is not what is commonly available to the citizens of the US, nor is it the type that that majority of "assault" rifles are. This includes military rifles.

Shoosh.  He's an expert on this.  Fully automatic, semi automatic, what's the difference?

Get rid of them both, fine by me.

No.

Don't worry, we happen to have a complete puss of a President right now so it will never happen anyway.

Also, since when does the president legislate?

You know damn well what I meant, don't be obtuse.  He doesn't have the stones to actually rally his party to put forth any meaningful legislation that would make any meaningful change.  Anything he says now after the tragedy is window dressing, and as Faust pointed out early in the thread, he's already starting to puss out.

If we slapped a laurel wreath on his head, I bet he could do it.

[Faust]

Effect on the murder rates with guns or the total figure.

What possible difference does that make?  If you're dead, you're dead, whether you are shot with an illegal gun, stabbed, strangled, whatever.

Because there probably isn't a rate from a time when there are no guns in recent years, which pushes me towards the Lost cause column again.
It's now half one, I have to get up for work in five an a half hours.

There has never been a time in America in which there were no guns.

And as you said there probably never will be, doesn't mean its ok, or I support it legally or morally, but what difference does that make I don't have to live there nor do I get any say in the legal system.

People are going to be shot in cinemas and schools multiple times a year and that is normal. It's ok for those people to die because getting killed in a mass spree is also now the norm, and even if it's not nothing is ever going to change that now.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

See, I think there are a ton of ways we could make the country a safer and better place. Banning guns aren't even in my top ten, to tell the truth, even if I believed that there was a functional way to unring that bell and recall all the guns out there on the market, and prevent any more from coming in illegally.

Expanding light rail in order to minimize personal automobile use, largely eliminating the need for personal automobile ownership. How many lives would that save each year, in addition to the reduction in auto accidents? How much war could we avert?

A cost of living stipend for everyone, regardless of income.

Universal health care and free birth control for everyone.

Increased mental health care and greater support systems for mental health issues.

Increased regulations on corporate activities to ensure that their actions are beneficial to the populace.

Changes in farm subsidy policies so that we stop subsidizing largely worthless monoculture crops and corporate farms, and encourage small farmers to diversify their crops.

Tax the fuck out of the super-rich.

End corporate welfare.

Implement a fully subsidized educational system from preschool to PhD.

Shorten the work week to 30 hours.

Significantly increase paid sick time and parental leave.

Significantly increase vacation time, both paid and unpaid options.

If these were implemented, betcha anything that gun (and other types of) violence would become a minimal issue.