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Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« on: December 21, 2012, 04:31:55 pm »
Look, fuckers, the statement "everything is an illusion, nothing exists" is a self-contradictory statement, because the illusion, at least, would still exist

Therefore, it's BULLSHIT.  QED.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 04:44:49 pm »
Everything is illusion except this barstool, coming straight at your skull.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 04:47:43 pm »
I always thought that was a load of bunk.

"What if everything is just an illusion?! No reality, just turtles all the way down?!"

Then it's not an illusion anymore, it's reality all over again. The cheeseburger tastes just as good either way.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 04:50:17 pm »
I always thought that was a load of bunk.

"What if everything is just an illusion?! No reality, just turtles all the way down?!"

Then it's not an illusion anymore, it's reality all over again. The cheeseburger tastes just as good either way.

Yep.  If someone was able to PROVE that we live in some Matrix-like reality, I would shoot them before they finished proving it.  And then call them crazy.
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 05:25:08 pm »
Hippies should be leaving the Sanskrit alone.

Maya is the term used in Hindu and Buddhist schools of thought to describe 'the illusion of permanence' not that 'nothing exists'.

The 'illusion' is that the physical world appears on the surface (to our very limited physical perceptions) to appear one way. However, we know from SCIENCE that, indeed, there's lots of shit going on that is very different to how it seems

The chief problem is that some humans get lulled into thinking that the world around them is permanent and doesn't change. Our ancient oriental thinker friends however, posited the opposite that, it is impermanent and does nothing else but change. Because it changes ALL THE FUCKING TIME, we should not place too much emotional stock in things 'staying the same' or having our all desires successfully fulfilled.

Believing in the permanence of the apparent world creates attachments (I want reality to be this way!) and aversions (I don't want reality to be this way!) which produce 'dukka' or dissatisfaction.

Having been delving into Buddhist and Vedantic thought a lot over the past couple of years, I've found that many of the things that we brought up here with regards to BIPs & barstools had already been covered thousands of years ago.

Authentic Buddhist or Vedic scholars do not deny the reality of being hit with the barstool. The hippy dippy interpretation comes about from cherry picking quotes and ideas without having understood the terminology, methods or context in which they should be used. The problem that arises from that is that so called 'teachers' throw out phrases that people either misinterpret and then extrapolate stupid ideas or they simply ignore the import. (Reality is the Matrix? Big deal!)

As one Swami explained, telling someone 'we are all one!' or 'enlightenment is NOW!' without building an appropriate context often does more harm than good. He said it's like a really poor person who learns that a rich, distant relative has died and left them a vast fortune......if only they can pay the exorbitant legal fees first. That person was acutely aware of their poverty and all they are left with is a frustrating 'if only' story. Bottom line is - you're still poor and now you have to be poor knowing that there was a chance to be filthy rich.

Thus, the world is real it's just that there's a disparity between how it IS and what we wish it to BE.

Hippies are fucking dilettantes. Never accept Sanskrit terminology from hippies.

     

 
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 05:27:41 pm »
Hippies should be leaving the Sanskrit alone.

Maya is the term used in Hindu and Buddhist schools of thought to describe 'the illusion of permanence' not that 'nothing exists'.

Yeah, just look what they did to the "singularity" concept.  It went from "the point in the future about which and after which you can no longer make accurate predictions", to "AI Jesus".

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The 'illusion' is that the physical world appears on the surface (to our very limited physical perceptions) to appear one way. However, we know from SCIENCE that, indeed, there's lots of shit going on that is very different to how it seems

Never listen to physicists.  They're just making that shit up.  Fucking cat is DEAD, do you hear me?
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 05:34:42 pm »
Hippies should be leaving the Sanskrit alone.

Maya is the term used in Hindu and Buddhist schools of thought to describe 'the illusion of permanence' not that 'nothing exists'.

Yeah, just look what they did to the "singularity" concept.  It went from "the point in the future about which and after which you can no longer make accurate predictions", to "AI Jesus".

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The 'illusion' is that the physical world appears on the surface (to our very limited physical perceptions) to appear one way. However, we know from SCIENCE that, indeed, there's lots of shit going on that is very different to how it seems

Never listen to physicists.  They're just making that shit up.  Fucking cat is DEAD, do you hear me?

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 05:42:06 pm »
Wait, wait.

If this isn't an illusion then this is actually happening.

Even... oh God.

Oh god!.

Truly, though our element is time,
We are not suited to the long perspectives
Open at each instant of our lives.
They link us to our losses: worse,
They show us what we have as it once was,
Blindingly undiminished, just as though
By acting differently, we could have kept it so.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 05:42:44 pm »
Wait, wait.

If this isn't an illusion then this is actually happening.

Even... oh God.

Oh god!.

Yeah, that guy crying about the geese?

Happened.  For real.
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 05:48:24 pm »
Okay.

Can we stop the world now please? I'd like to get off.

Wait. No. Damn. Ten minutes and then back into the Happiest Goddamn Place On Earth.

We must be happy. We all smile so much.
Truly, though our element is time,
We are not suited to the long perspectives
Open at each instant of our lives.
They link us to our losses: worse,
They show us what we have as it once was,
Blindingly undiminished, just as though
By acting differently, we could have kept it so.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 05:50:09 pm »
Okay.

Can we stop the world now please? I'd like to get off.

Look at your calendar.  That's already in progress.

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Wait. No. Damn. Ten minutes and then back into the Happiest Goddamn Place On Earth.

We must be happy. We all smile so much.

Yes.  This is the Happy Place.
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 08:13:34 pm »
I'm fine with "all is illusion" I actually kind of like it but then, surely - fuck it, there's nowt else to do - is the logical conclusion, no?
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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2012, 04:59:43 am »
Never listen to physicists.  They're just making that shit up.  Fucking cat is DEAD, do you hear me?

Except when it isn't yet. Statistic probability verging on certainty, but you'd have to ask the cat, and that thing's been in the box so long I don't think it's coming out.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2012, 05:36:43 am »
Never listen to physicists.  They're just making that shit up.  Fucking cat is DEAD, do you hear me?

Except when it isn't yet. Statistic probability verging on certainty, but you'd have to ask the cat, and that thing's been in the box so long I don't think it's coming out.

Nope.  One dead fucking cat.

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Re: Putting More Hippy Bullshit to Rest: "All is Maya".
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2012, 08:49:40 pm »
Dead or this:

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