Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Disregarding my natural inclination to believe in mind-control gimmicks and false flag attacks (and the American government's documented history with both of those things), I still have to wonder what banning a few (relatively) rare types of guns and magazines has to do with decreasing gun violence. Given that none of the recent mass shootings were carried out by anything that would be illegal under the new regulations, what exactly are we trying to accomplish?

Anyone who supports these measures also needs to disregard that making something illegal doesn't make it go away. Criminals tend to not give many shits what the lawman says is illegal -- they're peculiar that way.

So, say there is a person who is sane enough to hold public office without completely going crazy. This person has a more or less reasonable comprehension of actual statistics and events. This person looks at all the evidence that's readily available from the tragic shootings America has endured of late, and considers possible solutions to the problem. This person weighs the facts and the pros and the cons of every possible action, and finally arrives at a decision to outlaw guns that were not used to commit these crimes.

In that case, either the person is not as rational as originally supposed, or the person's goal is not the one he claims it is. Either way, what's really going on?

[P3nT4gR4m]

the status quo obviously isn't working.

Of course it's working.  It's perfectly functional, the only evidence of which I need offer is that the human species still exists.

Now, if you're saying it isn't desireable or optimal or even a fit environment for people as anything other than biots, then you have a point.

You got my point, pretty much.

It's a perfectly fit environment. You just need a robust sense of humour and a complete inability to donate airborne copulations about practically anything. 

That's all fine and dandy if your not getting your sickness and associated benefits slashed by the fucking Tories, and get paid on average more than I will, even if i'm well enough to work. I've got a lot to BE pissed off about and plenty of fucks to give about shit.

I've done the whole homeless, jobless, can't get benefits on account of NFA thing. Getting pissed off about it didn't help. Wishing the world would be more fair didn't help. To be honest, giving a fuck was what kept me there.

[LMNO]

Disregarding my natural inclination to believe in mind-control gimmicks and false flag attacks (and the American government's documented history with both of those things), I still have to wonder what banning a few (relatively) rare types of guns and magazines has to do with decreasing gun violence. Given that none of the recent mass shootings were carried out by anything that would be illegal under the new regulations, what exactly are we trying to accomplish?

Anyone who supports these measures also needs to disregard that making something illegal doesn't make it go away. Criminals tend to not give many shits what the lawman says is illegal -- they're peculiar that way.

So, say there is a person who is sane enough to hold public office without completely going crazy. This person has a more or less reasonable comprehension of actual statistics and events. This person looks at all the evidence that's readily available from the tragic shootings America has endured of late, and considers possible solutions to the problem. This person weighs the facts and the pros and the cons of every possible action, and finally arrives at a decision to outlaw guns that were not used to commit these crimes.

In that case, either the person is not as rational as originally supposed, or the person's goal is not the one he claims it is. Either way, what's really going on?

In B4 Cain and Roger:  The American people are myopic, and outraged.  The American people don't want any more (white, New England) schoolkids killed.  The American people noticed the use of Guns™ to kill these kids.  The American people want "someone to do something about these guns."

The politician sees the stats, understands that outlawing guns won't solve anything.  The politican sees the American people and their demand to "do something about these guns."  The politician makes the choice that will get him elected next year.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, I stated my point, and it got ignored.  I think I'm done with this thread.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

One man's "try" is another man's "complete fucking waste of time"

I'm with LMNO - the key to this is to work on banning (read "eradicate") this national fixation you guys have with blowing the living piss out each other.

I don't agree with the NRA's "guns don't kill people" schtick. Guns do kill people and quite effectively too but they do need human intervention to work their magic.

Given that you can't prevent guns (just trust me on this) maybe there's avenues worth exploring that would reduce the homicidal intent that causes the guns to kill people?

Reducing economic inequality reduces crime of all kinds. But I'm a filthy librul socialist, so....

In social science circles, that's pretty widely regarded as the one thing that would have a major effect on violence and crime. Not "Fixing the economy", which is something that is well outside the scope of any single country's legislation, but simply reducing income inequality to reduce both poverty, and to reduce stress on those I am starting to refer to as "pre-poor", ie. the middle class.

Yea, during the Xmas break i read a book called The Spirit Level that posited that very strongly, after many years of research

[East Coast Hustle]

Granted, I hold a fairly extreme position even by American standards, but that also has to do with the past.

Another thing:  America spends all its time stomping on every other nation that we feel we can get away with stomping on.  How, then, is it startling that we have a national love of - or obsession with, if you will - firearms?

I find both startling, and the correlation that goes with it. Y'all shit is fucked up, America.

We are what we are.  Be surprised at the sun coming up.  Our entire history has been a non-stop bloodbath.  You can deplore it, and probably should, but it's not going to change merely because it offends sensible people.

Oh, I AM unsurprised. I do find it incredibly alarming still. I can't get into the mindset of wanting to own a firearm, and to be honest, it's probably because I don't want to.

Well, that's because you're a civilized person living in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, the 21st century is pretty intent on not being very civilized.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Granted, I hold a fairly extreme position even by American standards, but that also has to do with the past.

Another thing:  America spends all its time stomping on every other nation that we feel we can get away with stomping on.  How, then, is it startling that we have a national love of - or obsession with, if you will - firearms?

I find both startling, and the correlation that goes with it. Y'all shit is fucked up, America.

We are what we are.  Be surprised at the sun coming up.  Our entire history has been a non-stop bloodbath.  You can deplore it, and probably should, but it's not going to change merely because it offends sensible people.

Oh, I AM unsurprised. I do find it incredibly alarming still. I can't get into the mindset of wanting to own a firearm, and to be honest, it's probably because I don't want to.

Well, that's because you're a civilized person living in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, the 21st century is pretty intent on not being very civilized.

When stacked against the last two centuries, it's doing just fine.

[East Coast Hustle]

Oh, it's a little early to be making that determination don't you think?

I mean, hell, someone in the 1920s would probably have said the same thing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, it's a little early to be making that determination don't you think?

I mean, hell, someone in the 1920s would probably have said the same thing.

Probably not, given that they'd just finished up some fun in the trenches.  WWI was arguably the most miserable, pointless war in history.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, the Turkish Armenians would probably have preferred this century, and that was before the 20s as well.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

My measuring stick was included in this post:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34040.msg1237594.html#msg1237594

Not that you give a shit.  You're not here to debate, you're here to share your butthurt around.

I think it all comes back to the Maine guy and RWHN's tiny, tiny boner.

[P3nT4gR4m]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

[AFK]

You seem to be awfully concerned about my reproductive health, Stella.   


That's very sweet of you but I'll be okay.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

[AFK]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

Eh, no, it comes from knowing how policy-making works in America, having first-hand knowledge.  It's why I reject the "slippery slope" notion and also the notion that we can't find a way to incorporate gun control into a larger initiative that could reduce gun violence.