Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread

[P3nT4gR4m]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

He just wants somewhere safe for his kids to grow up. It's understandable. Unfortunately he hasn't followed it through to it's natural conclusion. We know where safety will end up. I suspect there's no way of convincing someone who thinks this is too dangerous that it's bordering on being unbearably safe already.

[AFK]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

Well, no, I'm just here speaking my mind, I have no expectations of convincing anyone of anything. 


And I keep telling you dude, I'm happy as a clam.  Life's very good to me these days!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

He just wants somewhere safe for his kids to grow up. It's understandable. Unfortunately he hasn't followed it through to it's natural conclusion. We know where safety will end up. I suspect there's no way of convincing someone who thinks this is too dangerous that it's bordering on being unbearably safe already.

I don't think he actually cares about guns, one way or the other.  After the last two pages, I am convinced that his sole motive is to fling poop around in a downward spiral of butthurt angry monkeyism.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And I keep telling you dude, I'm happy as a clam.  Life's very good to me these days!

Uh huh.

[P3nT4gR4m]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

He just wants somewhere safe for his kids to grow up. It's understandable. Unfortunately he hasn't followed it through to it's natural conclusion. We know where safety will end up. I suspect there's no way of convincing someone who thinks this is too dangerous that it's bordering on being unbearably safe already.

I don't think he actually cares about guns, one way or the other.  After the last two pages, I am convinced that his sole motive is to fling poop around in a downward spiral of butthurt angry monkeyism.

No arguments but I still understand his plight. He's convinced he's right and when confronted with a room full of people who "don't get it" what's a guy supposed to do. The road to hell is paved with people like him.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

To be fair on RWHN, i'm pretty sure it comes from him buying into the security-myth, as opposed to everyone else tending more toward the liberty-myth* end of the scale.


* I believe in actual liberty but the kind the guys in charge are selling is snake-oil

1.  I am not bound by the definition of "liberty" as espoused by the teabaggers.

2.  RWHN isn't here to convince anyone.  He's here to be bitter.

He just wants somewhere safe for his kids to grow up. It's understandable. Unfortunately he hasn't followed it through to it's natural conclusion. We know where safety will end up. I suspect there's no way of convincing someone who thinks this is too dangerous that it's bordering on being unbearably safe already.

I don't think he actually cares about guns, one way or the other.  After the last two pages, I am convinced that his sole motive is to fling poop around in a downward spiral of butthurt angry monkeyism.

No arguments but I still understand his plight. He's convinced he's right and when confronted with a room full of people who "don't get it" what's a guy supposed to do. The road to hell is paved with people like him.

Doesn't really matter.  I proposed an argument in one post, and a slight correction of something Pixie said in another.  He took one sentence out of context in the correction, and presented that as my argument.

He's utterly dishonest.  He has nothing to say.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I agree with you. Just saying I understand where he's coming from. Think about what he does for a living, believing that's for the right reasons. He's just another poor, misguided tit who's so intent on saving the world that he doesn't realise him and his ilk are to blame for most of it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I agree with you. Just saying I understand where he's coming from. Think about what he does for a living, believing that's for the right reasons. He's just another poor, misguided tit who's so intent on saving the world that he doesn't realise him and his ilk are to blame for most of it.

Yeah, there's that.

Still, he's a shit.  I may understand why he thinks the way he does, but that excuses nothing.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Never said it did. I find it fascinating, tho. You think he isn't making an argument but I think he is but the reason it looks like he isn't is because his argument is the same as the bible bashers - all circular logic and cognitive dissonance. The kind of thing that critical analysis will tear to shreds so quickly you might not even realise there was anything there in the first place. It intrigues me more than bugs me because it's such a flimsy position it doesn't even bear examination but someone who seems smarter than that has fallen, hook line and sinker for a joke-ideology.

A cautionary tale...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Never said it did. I find it fascinating, tho. You think he isn't making an argument but I think he is but the reason it looks like he isn't is because his argument is the same as the bible bashers - all circular logic and cognitive dissonance. The kind of thing that critical analysis will tear to shreds so quickly you might not even realise there was anything there in the first place. It intrigues me more than bugs me because it's such a flimsy position it doesn't even bear examination but someone who seems smarter than that has fallen, hook line and sinker for a joke-ideology.

A cautionary tale...

Any argument he may have is lost in the frenzy of lashing out that he's indulging in.

There's no message to receive.

[P3nT4gR4m]

There never was an argument. What RWHN has is an honest to fuck belief Imagine if he was talking about Thetans as being the solution and i'm sure you'll see where I'm coming from. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

There never was an argument. What RWHN has is an honest to fuck belief Imagine if he was talking about Thetans as being the solution and i'm sure you'll see where I'm coming from. 

*click*

[trippinprincezz13]

Christ, an assault weapon ban was enacted in the 90s, and not only have we not fallen into an inescapable, freedomless dystopia, the fucking ban died and wasn't renewed. 

Taking some weapons off the market is not going to rob us of all of our freedoms, fuck, it's not going to rob us of ANY of our freedoms.  All that will change is that it will take you a few more minutes to fill that hay bale in your back yard full of lead.  You can still have a shit load of weapons if you really want. 

But it might just buy our guys in blue those few extra seconds that maybe results in 15 dead kids instead of 20, which has a huge impact for those five families who have empty chairs at their dinner tables right now.

I'm a bit back at this point, but you still seem to be conflating "assault x" with automatic weapons. You say it doesn't matter if you're not an expert, but it does weaken your argument quite a bit if you can't even show that you understand what you're arguing for or against.

[AFK]

Christ, an assault weapon ban was enacted in the 90s, and not only have we not fallen into an inescapable, freedomless dystopia, the fucking ban died and wasn't renewed. 

Taking some weapons off the market is not going to rob us of all of our freedoms, fuck, it's not going to rob us of ANY of our freedoms.  All that will change is that it will take you a few more minutes to fill that hay bale in your back yard full of lead.  You can still have a shit load of weapons if you really want. 

But it might just buy our guys in blue those few extra seconds that maybe results in 15 dead kids instead of 20, which has a huge impact for those five families who have empty chairs at their dinner tables right now.

I'm a bit back at this point, but you still seem to be conflating "assault x" with automatic weapons. You say it doesn't matter if you're not an expert, but it does weaken your argument quite a bit if you can't even show that you understand what you're arguing for or against.

That was the name of the ban, I didn't make it up:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
[/size]
[/size]

[Elder Iptuous]

perhaps tp was referring to your comment that it would "take you a few more minutes to fill that hay bale .. full of lead".
since the AWB still allowed for standard capacity mags* (and thus no additional reload time), your statement would seem to imply the increased rate of fire that an automatic would have is what you meant.

incidentally, the numbers indicate that there are *way* less hits with a given amount of ammo when using fully automatic fire.
it's those semi-automatics, with their inherent 'assault-aiming', that is so deadly.
what we need to do is require fully automatic weapons be the standard.
y'know...for the children.

ETA:*grandfathered, that is.