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North Korea demands an ass-kicking at the hands of South Korea.

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, January 25, 2013, 07:44:16 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#60
April 10, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: V3X on April 10, 2013, 08:10:25 PM
Just for the sake of taking wildly uneducated stabs in the dark, what are the chances that China is pushing NK to make these threats to cover for some action they are planning?

Cain would be more qualified to answer this, but I'm thinking China is really, really pissed right now.  They know America's doctrine concerning nuclear retaliation, and they're right next door.  Russia isn't happy, either...Putin's been screaming his head off.  But not about us.

From what I can see, this is the one time where the problem is damn near entirely one-sided, from a world opinion point of view.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#61
April 10, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
Cain, could you chime in on this?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

#62
April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

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The Good Reverend Roger

#63
April 10, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region

I think that's why China and Russia are annoyed with the DPRK, yeah.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

#64
April 10, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region

I think that's why China and Russia are annoyed with the DPRK, yeah.

is best korea as hermetic as it would appear? how many american operatives might be infiltrated and influencing their move towards war?
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

#65
April 10, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region

I think that's why China and Russia are annoyed with the DPRK, yeah.

is best korea as hermetic as it would appear? how many american operatives might be infiltrated and influencing their move towards war?

None.  South Korean and American agents go in, but they never, ever come out.

You're displaying a bit of bias contrary to the facts here, Johnny.  The USA is a warmongering country, but we're not the only warmongering country.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

#66
April 10, 2013, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region

I think that's why China and Russia are annoyed with the DPRK, yeah.

is best korea as hermetic as it would appear? how many american operatives might be infiltrated and influencing their move towards war?

None.  South Korean and American agents go in, but they never, ever come out.

You're displaying a bit of bias contrary to the facts here, Johnny.  The USA is a warmongering country, but we're not the only warmongering country.

i try to keep a balance between seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes and not going off the deep end conspiracy crazy... thats why it was more of an open question than an assertion.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

#67
April 10, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 10, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
im sure nobody wants the nuclear fallout and or the subsequent American occupation and military bases, which could strenghten its influence in the region

I think that's why China and Russia are annoyed with the DPRK, yeah.

is best korea as hermetic as it would appear? how many american operatives might be infiltrated and influencing their move towards war?

None.  South Korean and American agents go in, but they never, ever come out.

You're displaying a bit of bias contrary to the facts here, Johnny.  The USA is a warmongering country, but we're not the only warmongering country.

i try to keep a balance between seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes and not going off the deep end conspiracy crazy... thats why it was more of an open question than an assertion.

If I thought it was POSSIBLE that we were behind this, I'd believe it.

But I don't think it is, and I think it really comes down to a crazy vice-marshall with his underwear on his head.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#68
April 11, 2013, 05:36:54 AM
Interesting observation:

We have NO human intelligence assets in North Korea.  South Korea sends them in, and they never, ever come back.

So how come the intel community went from "meh" to "attack imminent"?

Oh, yeah.  Because we're going to hit them now, whether or not they were serious.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

#69
April 11, 2013, 06:41:17 AM

or a.k.a "A modern example of punishment of hubris"?
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Cain

#70
April 11, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
The entire idea of China supporting the DPRK is to reduce American influence on the Peninsula.  They're not keen on reunification which allows America to have yet another military base on Chinese borders...and not the lameass Central Asian/Mongolian borders, but Laioning Province, which is the richest and most strategically placed province in North China.  Dominate the province, and you not only control the Yellow Sea, but can range up the Yalu River.  There's iron, petroleum, natural gas and significant industry in the area, too.

The DPRK also has a significant amount of natural resources.  It has a crappy economy.  China does not.  So, cheap goods flow across the border.

Incidentally, the DPRK knows it is being used by China.  They're not entirely stupid.  Speculation is that nuclear brinksmanship is designed to show Beijing that they are not happy with the situation, but also that China cannot control North Korea and that America must deal with the North Koreans directly to get what they want.  Thus, a classic "man-in-the-middle" bargaining position between two great powers, which would be ideologically palatable to the North Koreans and their weird, nationalistic Juche, and economically profitable as well, so long as equilibrium between the great powers is maintained.

And there is also the speculation that the Americans are not willing to deal with North Korea, because North Korea is a good justification for the Asian Pivot, and a military buildup to contain North Korea can just as easily be aimed at China at a later date.

North Korea is probably aware of this, but it is rather contrained in its options at the moment.

The Good Reverend Roger

#71
April 13, 2013, 02:46:48 AM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#72
April 13, 2013, 03:06:12 AM
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Aucoq

#73
April 13, 2013, 03:21:41 AM
"All of the world's leading theologists agree only on the notion that God hates no-fault insurance."

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tyrannosaurus vex

#74
April 13, 2013, 03:27:40 AM
The conspiracy theorist in me imagines shadowy elites locked away in penthouses somewhere, spitting mad that they keep trying to scare everybody into line with North Korea, but the Internet just makes memes and funny fake news articles about it and everybody giggles instead of cowering. My reasonable half knows that isn't really what's going on, it's just fun to think about.
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