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Cain

February 18, 2013, 07:26:33 PM
The NYT Style section is truly a global treasure

Quote'"Hastings-on-Hudson is a village, in a Wittgensteinian sort of way," Mr. Wallach said.

My mind = blown.

Reginald Ret

#1
February 18, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 18, 2013, 07:26:33 PM
The NYT Style section is truly a global treasure

Quote'"Hastings-on-Hudson is a village, in a Wittgensteinian sort of way," Mr. Wallach said.

My mind = blown.
What does mean? I can't even.
Ridiculously exactly like the epitome of a village? The ultimate definition of a village? If one were to draw a perfect map of the ideal village it would be indistinguishable from Hastings-on-Hudson?
'X is a Y, in a Wittgenseinian sort of way.' needs to become a common PD saying.

I think i got it, but as with all things Wittgensteinian, it has left me with a mild headache and a sense of jamais vu.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

The Good Reverend Roger

#2
February 18, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
What the fuck is a Whitgroinstan?

Is it one of the former Soviet Socialist republics or some shit?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

P3nT4gR4m

#3
February 18, 2013, 10:16:48 PM
I'm posting in this thread because two months from now it wont make sense.

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Bu🤠ns

#4
February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian

Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#5
February 19, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian

Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.

I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#6
February 19, 2013, 04:07:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian

Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.

I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?

Yes.  It's "THIS IS OBVIOUS AND CLEARLY DEFINED SHIT AND SHUT UP."
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#7
February 19, 2013, 04:54:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2013, 04:07:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian

Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.

I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?


Yes.  It's "THIS IS OBVIOUS AND CLEARLY DEFINED SHIT AND SHUT UP."

EXCELLENT
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Reginald Ret

#8
February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.

He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.

I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#9
February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.

He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.

I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.

fixt
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

insideout

#10
February 19, 2013, 04:27:42 PM
looking at the article Cain linked and reading this thread, I think maybe wittgensteinian means "extracting the basic essence of an object that doesn't have a basic essence".

An exercise in bullshit scaled up.

but that was probably a wittgensteinian thing for me to say.

such is life.

Reginald Ret

#11
February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.


fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

The Good Reverend Roger

#12
February 19, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.


fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.

Except Franz Kafka, would would fucking anybody.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#13
February 19, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.


fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.

Except Franz Kafka, would would fucking anybody.

This is true.

I'll exclude the really good novelists from my general categorization of philosophers as useless wankjobs.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#14
February 19, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.


fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.

Yes, absolutely.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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