Nigel, I spent the afternoon reading about wampum.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

...Or, more properly, wampumpeag.

I always thought that it was money...But originally, it was essentially a form of writing, a "carved" language used as a memory aid, no differently than we use books.

The way the Dutch monetized it was pretty insidious.  Well, it was downright evil.  They basically took the Lenape custom of HAVING to accept wampumpeag for material goods as a means of "forced sales", until they had completely destroyed the local economy, and every beaver in lower New York was dead.

Then, of course, they de-monetized the wampumpeag in 1633, and left those Lenape that hadn't died of smallpox or starvation to bugger off to what is now Ontario.

The punchline?  What the Dutch did to the Lenape, the Chinese are doing to us.  In the same place (Manhattan).

[Cainad (dec.)]

 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The history of New York City is fucking AMAZING.

I've often talked about how cities are built on bones, but in New York, that's LITERALLY the case.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The history of New York City is fucking AMAZING.

I've often talked about how cities are built on bones, but in New York, that's LITERALLY the case.

Yes.
Manhattan has this, too.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The history of New York City is fucking AMAZING.

I've often talked about how cities are built on bones, but in New York, that's LITERALLY the case.

Yes.
Manhattan has this, too.

Yep.  That was one of the three things I was talking about.  The other two were the Lenape and Manhattah burial grounds, and "Death Street".  11th Street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXP_lI-Hy5U

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Searching this term gives you all kinds of cool shit about 11th.

NYC Alco-GE-IR 1556

ETA:  And by cool, I mean HOLY SHIT!

[The Johnny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6Jrz-phFk

In our hand
an old old
old thread

Trail of Blood
and Amens

Greed is the
gift for the
sons of the
sons

Hear this prayer
of the
wampum

This is the tie
that will
bind us

There [in Tucson] Scarlet picks up the voice of the Native American ancestors on WAMPUM PRAYER after visiting the site of a massacre of the Apache people. "She has a dream and follows the voice and prayer of an old woman who survived and whose song is woven into the land." There's an obvious parallel with the songlines of Aboriginal folklore in Australia as Scarlet is propelled by the dream until she reaches Cherokee country and the ancestry of her own people.

"We hold in our hand fourteen strings of purple wampum. These we hand, one by one, to you --- authors of many American history books; writers of cheap, inaccurate, unauthentic, sensational novels; and other writers of fiction who have poisoned the minds of young Americans concerning our people, the Red Race of America; to the producers of many western cowboy and Indian television programs and moving picture shows; to those Treaty-breakers who delight in dispossessing Indian peoples by constructing dams on Indian lands in violation of sacred treaties; and to those of this, our country, who are prone to build up the glory of their ancestors on the bonds and life-blood of our Old People:

--- With this first string of wampum, we take away the fog that surrounds your eyes and obstructs your view, that you may see the truth concerning our people.

--- With this second string of wampum we will pull away from your imprisoned mind the cobwebs, the net that prevents you from dealing justice to our people!

--- With this third string of wampum, we cleanse your hearts of revenge, selfishness, and injustice that you may create love instead of hate!

--- With this fourth string of wampum, we wash the blood of our people from your hands, that you may know the clasp of true friendship and sincerity!

--- With this fifth string of wampum, we shrink your heads down to that of normal man, we cleanse your minds of the abnormal conceit and love of self that has caused you to walk blindly among the dark people of the world.

--- With this sixth string of wampum, we remove your garments of gold, silver and greed, that you may don the apparel of generosity, hospitality, and humanity!

--- With this seventh string of wampum, we remove the dirt that fills your ears so that you may hear the story and truth of our people!

--- With this eighth string of wampum we straighten your tongues of crookedness, that in the future you may speak the truth concerning the Indian People!

--- With this ninth string of wampum, we take away the dark clouds from the face of the sun, that it's rays may purify your thoughts that you my look forward and see America, instead of backward toward Europe!

--- With this tenth string of wampum, we brush away the rough stones and sticks from your path that you may walk erect as the first American whose name you have defamed and whose country you now occupy!

--- With this eleventh string of wampum, we take away from your hands the implements of destruction---guns, bombs, firewater, diseases---and place in them instead the Pipe of Friendship and Peace that you may sow brotherly love rather than bitter hate and injustice!

--- With this twelfth string of wampum, we build you a new house with many windows and no mirrors, that you may look out and see the life and purpose of your nearest neighbor, the American Indian!

--- With this thirteenth string of wampum, we tear down the wall of steel and stone you have built around the Tree of Peace, that you may shelter beneath it's branches!

--- With this fourteenth string of wampum, we take from the hen coop the eagle that you have imprisoned that this noble bird may once again fly in the sky over America!

I Te-ha-ne-to-rens, say this!"

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Not sure if same Wampum...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, the bitter irony!

And yes, bones. So many bones.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Here, Johnny: http://www.nativetech.org/wampum/wamphist.htm

[The Johnny]

The punchline?  What the Dutch did to the Lenape, the Chinese are doing to us.  In the same place (Manhattan).

Maybe i missed some news or something, care to elaborate?

[The Johnny]

Here, Johnny: http://www.nativetech.org/wampum/wamphist.htm

Well, i think im not really that much off the mark in the sense of the broader subject of Old World raping the New World, "Scarlet´s Walk" album one of the main subjects is the colonization of what now is the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGq4_SrUIyk

Down New Mexico way
something about
the open road
I knew that he was
looking for some Indian Blood and
find a little in you find a little
in me we may be
on this road but
we're just
Impostors
in this country you know
So we go along and we said
we'd fake it
feel better with
Oliver Stone
till I
almost smacked him -
seemed right that night and
I don't know what
takes hold
out there in the
desert cold
These guys think they must
Try and just get over on us

And some trivia about her:

Amos is the third child of Rev. Dr. Edison and Mary Ellen Amos. She was born at the Old Catawba Hospital in Newton, North Carolina, during a trip from their Georgetown home in Washington, D.C. Her maternal grandparents were of mixed European and Eastern Cherokee ancestry

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Here, Johnny: http://www.nativetech.org/wampum/wamphist.htm

Well, i think im not really that much off the mark in the sense of the broader subject of Old World raping the New World, "Scarlet´s Walk" album one of the main subjects is the colonization of what now is the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGq4_SrUIyk

Down New Mexico way
something about
the open road
I knew that he was
looking for some Indian Blood and
find a little in you find a little
in me we may be
on this road but
we're just
Impostors
in this country you know
So we go along and we said
we'd fake it
feel better with
Oliver Stone
till I
almost smacked him -
seemed right that night and
I don't know what
takes hold
out there in the
desert cold
These guys think they must
Try and just get over on us

And some trivia about her:

Amos is the third child of Rev. Dr. Edison and Mary Ellen Amos. She was born at the Old Catawba Hospital in Newton, North Carolina, during a trip from their Georgetown home in Washington, D.C. Her maternal grandparents were of mixed European and Eastern Cherokee ancestry

A little familiar... I'm about half Native, you know. Punch in the gut, some of these stories.

[Cain]

The punchline?  What the Dutch did to the Lenape, the Chinese are doing to us.  In the same place (Manhattan).

Maybe i missed some news or something, care to elaborate?

America borrows money from China to buy Chinese goods.