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No wonder our society is sociopathic...

Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, April 19, 2013, 08:03:13 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/dont-think-of-ugly-people-how-parenting-advice-has-changed/275108/

QuoteFrom 1916's The Mother and her Child by Drs. Lena and William Sadler: "Handle the baby as little as possible. Turn it occasionally from side to side, feed it, change it, keep it warm, and let it alone; crying is absolutely essential to the development of good strong lungs. A baby should cry vigorously several times each day."

As the child grew, regulated contact could be tolerated. "At the age of two weeks, the child may be systematically carried about in the arms 2 to 3 times a day, as a means of furnishing additional change in position," is the precise advice of Dr. JP Crozer Griffith in 1900.

Even bowel movements were regimented. "Children under one year of age should have two movements of the bowels in the twenty-four hours, and those from one to three years at least one stool a day," wrote Napheys. Should the baby not conform to these healthy perimeters, the same books prescribed any number of enemas, draughts, and oils to make things more shipshape.

As for "crying it out," the advice of the early manuals was unanimous. A spoiled baby will be miserable its entire life, prone to hysterics and weakness, unable to cope with the life's hard turns. And the first and worst way to spoil a baby is to hold it when it cries. Per the Sadlers:

    We run into many snags when we undertake to discipline the nervous baby. The first is that it will sometimes cry so hard that it will get black in the face and may even have a convulsion; occasionally a small blood vessel may be ruptured on some part of the body, usually the face. When you see the little one approaching this point, turn it over and administer a sound spanking and it will instantly catch its breath.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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That was the advice my much older father gave my much younger mother in raising my infant self. AND I AM NOW THE VERY MODEL OF EMOTIONAL MATURITY AND MENTAL STABILITY!!!

I do have pretty strong lungs though (all inhalants considered) so maybe they *were* on to something there.
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Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on April 19, 2013, 09:50:50 PM
That was the advice my much older father gave my much younger mother in raising my infant self. AND I AM NOW THE VERY MODEL OF EMOTIONAL MATURITY AND MENTAL STABILITY!!!

I do have pretty strong lungs though (all inhalants considered) so maybe they *were* on to something there.

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"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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I still think crying some is good for a baby.  There's really 3 things a baby cries for, hunger, a full diaper, and wanting attention.  The first two should be dealt with immediately, the third, well, I'm not saying you should never give your baby attention, you should usually do so, but leaving him or her alone now and then gives him or her coping skills and the ability to self soothe.

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Quote from: Pergamos on April 20, 2013, 04:34:30 AM
I still think crying some is good for a baby.  There's really 3 things a baby cries for, hunger, a full diaper, and wanting attention.  The first two should be dealt with immediately, the third, well, I'm not saying you should never give your baby attention, you should usually do so, but leaving him or her alone now and then gives him or her coping skills and the ability to self soothe.

After 3 months or so, they should be given a chance to learn to self-soothe, yes. Not alone, just not picking them up immediately. Before that it's just cruel.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Babies are fuckin' weird.

Recent study shows that babies are fuckin' weird.  They demand basic human needs like food, clothes, shelter, medicine, and affection, and really, how are we supposed to deal with that shit?

When interviewed, 9 out of 10 Americans report that their baby cries when it's "hungry" or "lonely" or "experiencing emotions that most adults still don't have a healthy grasp over."  Pressed on their emotional shortcomings, people are most likely to dismiss such things as "the way it's always been" and "just how things are."
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Quote from: Pergamos on April 20, 2013, 04:34:30 AM
I still think crying some is good for a baby.  There's really 3 things a baby cries for, hunger, a full diaper, and wanting attention.  The first two should be dealt with immediately, the third, well, I'm not saying you should never give your baby attention, you should usually do so, but leaving him or her alone now and then gives him or her coping skills and the ability to self soothe.

How many kids do you have?
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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 20, 2013, 04:50:27 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 20, 2013, 04:34:30 AM
I still think crying some is good for a baby.  There's really 3 things a baby cries for, hunger, a full diaper, and wanting attention.  The first two should be dealt with immediately, the third, well, I'm not saying you should never give your baby attention, you should usually do so, but leaving him or her alone now and then gives him or her coping skills and the ability to self soothe.

After 3 months or so, they should be given a chance to learn to self-soothe, yes. Not alone, just not picking them up immediately. Before that it's just cruel.

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Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 20, 2013, 05:01:30 AM
Babies are fuckin' weird.

Recent study shows that babies are fuckin' weird.  They demand basic human needs like food, clothes, shelter, medicine, and affection, and really, how are we supposed to deal with that shit?

When interviewed, 9 out of 10 Americans report that their baby cries when it's "hungry" or "lonely" or "experiencing emotions that most adults still don't have a healthy grasp over."  Pressed on their emotional shortcomings, people are most likely to dismiss such things as "the way it's always been" and "just how things are."

THIS.

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Babies need to be given sugar, drugs and alcohol so they can learn to self-soothe like everyone else.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: Xicked on April 20, 2013, 06:11:23 AM
Babies need to be given sugar, drugs and alcohol so they can learn to self-soothe like everyone else.

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Quote from: Xicked on April 20, 2013, 06:11:23 AM
Babies need to be given sugar, drugs and alcohol so they can learn to self-soothe like everyone else.

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