No wonder our society is sociopathic...

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

It sounds like an entirely different planet to me. My dad doesn't even know my full name or what hand I write with.

I think if I were going to have kids, I'd go the attachment parenting way, since it sounds damn near utopian and I have first hand experience that the hands-off approach doesn't work.

There are a great many people convinced that negative reinforcement is positive motivation and I don't understand that.

[Junkenstein]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

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Then they should just collect it up and roll in it.   

[Suu]

...there's limits to everything. I think that's one of them.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

See, what "attachment parenting" means to me is you pay the kid all kinds of attention (note that this doesn't mean "no discipline", it just means you consider the kid(s) the priority).

You play with them, you sit and read with them, Sit with them when they do their homework (early on), and when they're into their teens, you include them in things, but leave lots of room for them to do what most teens want to do (which involves their friends a good chunk of the time).

In short, you get involved with your children.

Yeah.

Starting from birth, you let them know you're there for them and stay close enough that they form a secure attachment.

Pretty basic stuff, but coming out of the "don't pick yuor baby up" era, it seemed pretty revolutionary. I mean, the fact that my mom breastfed was WEIRD in her day.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

You used to be one.

There are advantages to going diaper-free. That said, I see it mostly as an option for country-living hippies, or spoiled yuppies who have lots of free time and want to feel special.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

You used to be one.

There are advantages to going diaper-free. That said, I see it mostly as an option for country-living hippies, or spoiled yuppies who have lots of free time and want to feel special.

I wouldn't care if they'd clean up after their kids, in public places. I mean, you gotta pick up after your dogs - why not your kids? Lady lifted her kid up to pee in one of our sinks. Kid had dirty bare feet and splashed all over the counter and the sink and the floor. She just walked out and didn't tell anyone. Next person that went in there lost their shit.

Granted, that's only one example. I can see it being a useful thing maybe even beneficial, if hippies and yuppies weren't the norm.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

You used to be one.

There are advantages to going diaper-free. That said, I see it mostly as an option for country-living hippies, or spoiled yuppies who have lots of free time and want to feel special.

I wouldn't care if they'd clean up after their kids, in public places. I mean, you gotta pick up after your dogs - why not your kids? Lady lifted her kid up to pee in one of our sinks. Kid had dirty bare feet and splashed all over the counter and the sink and the floor. She just walked out and didn't tell anyone. Next person that went in there lost their shit.

Granted, that's only one example. I can see it being a useful thing maybe even beneficial, if hippies and yuppies weren't the norm.

She doesn't have to clean up after her kid because she's a Special Snowflake, you see.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

You used to be one.

There are advantages to going diaper-free. That said, I see it mostly as an option for country-living hippies, or spoiled yuppies who have lots of free time and want to feel special.

I wouldn't care if they'd clean up after their kids, in public places. I mean, you gotta pick up after your dogs - why not your kids? Lady lifted her kid up to pee in one of our sinks. Kid had dirty bare feet and splashed all over the counter and the sink and the floor. She just walked out and didn't tell anyone. Next person that went in there lost their shit.

Granted, that's only one example. I can see it being a useful thing maybe even beneficial, if hippies and yuppies weren't the norm.

She doesn't have to clean up after her kid because she's a Special Snowflake, you see.

I wonder if she would if her kid pooped in the park. They have those dog dropping stations every so many yards . . .

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?_r=3&

When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

"My sister wasn't a huge fan," she said on Thursday.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free "Meetups," where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions.

I highly doubt I will ever understand the fascination with children. Given the above, I really don't want to either. You can keep the ghastly bastards.

You used to be one.

There are advantages to going diaper-free. That said, I see it mostly as an option for country-living hippies, or spoiled yuppies who have lots of free time and want to feel special.

I wouldn't care if they'd clean up after their kids, in public places. I mean, you gotta pick up after your dogs - why not your kids? Lady lifted her kid up to pee in one of our sinks. Kid had dirty bare feet and splashed all over the counter and the sink and the floor. She just walked out and didn't tell anyone. Next person that went in there lost their shit.

Granted, that's only one example. I can see it being a useful thing maybe even beneficial, if hippies and yuppies weren't the norm.

She doesn't have to clean up after her kid because she's a Special Snowflake, you see.

I wonder if she would if her kid pooped in the park. They have those dog dropping stations every so many yards . . .

Absolute guarantee she doesn't.