Cold fusion?

[P3nT4gR4m]

I know fuck all about the science here but it sounds like either the biggest thing since the invention of AC or Svengali

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156393-cold-fusion-reactor-independently-verified-has-10000-times-the-energy-density-of-gas

[Doktor Howl]

The research paper, which hasn't yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion

Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasn't allowed anyone to independently analyze the device — until now.

While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still don't know exactly what's going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor.

As far as we can tell, the main barrier to cold fusion — as with normal fusion — is producing more energy than you put in. In NASA's tests, it takes a lot more energy to fuse the nickel and hydrogen than is produced by the reaction. Rossi, it would seem, has discovered a secret sauce that significantly reduces the amount of energy required to start the reaction. As for what the secret sauce is, no one knows — in the research paper, the independent scientists simply refer to it as "unknown additives."

Stay tuned; we'll let you know when — or if — the E-Cat passes peer review.

Rossi and his partner are named, but the people examining it are "a group of scientists".

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Figured as much, probably because I skimmed over all the bits you quoted and they must have registered on some level. Nice dream while it lasted, tho 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I did some googling on this. Apparently, the scientists were actual scientists but they only observed and measured an experimental system built by Rossi in his own lab. They don't know exactly what's going on inside. Another google link indicated that some scientists last year reviewed it and believed that it may be a working system with excellent energy generation, but isn't technically cold fusion. According to some of the stuff I read, Rossi even stated that he doesn't completely understand what's happening. The consensus seems to be that he may have an interesting system, but without knowing the details, and without peer review, the jury is hung.

[P3nT4gR4m]

How can you make something like this and not understand what's happening? He just decided to try putting some cauliflower in and "eureka" ??

[Doktor Howl]

He's not allowing anyone to examine it.  That spells "PT Barnum".

[P3nT4gR4m]

That was my take. However I'm leaving one single tiny braincell ticking over with "what if"

[GrannySmith]

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

the bob in me is clenching her teeth

we cannot know what is the deal with the e-cat. i find it interesting that, among other scientists, nasa is taking it seriously http://ecat.org/tag/nasa/

NASA's Joseph Zawodny concludes that LENR is indeed a form of nuclear power, but not what is commonly thought of as "cold fusion." Zawodny believes that the transformation of one element into another is consistent with neutron absorption as other scientists claim. He goes on to point out that under one theory of what is happening, decay products of the reaction are turned into heat and gamma rays are screened out. In comparing the energy output of LENR to fission, conventional fusion, and chemical reactions, Zawodny notes that LENR is theoretically capable of producing 8 million times as much energy as a comparable chemical reaction. This of course explains why a very slow reaction can produce excess heat while consuming only minimal amounts of hydrogen and nickel.

and from what i read, rossi waiting to be granted a patent to release the details.

i'm also still hurt from the first cold fusion flop but that doesn't mean everything that goes with the name 'cold fusion' is bollocks. we just don't have enough information yet. i cross my fingers and hope it turns out well though 

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

It's not the name that everyone's suspicious of, it's the fact that he won't let anyone else test it independently (by letting them build their own, not by looking at a sealed container he swears works).

[P3nT4gR4m]

From what I gather Cold fusion is not a myth, it's credible science theory that lots of reputable organisations (including Nasa) are looking into.

Correct me if I'm wrong but no one is disagreeing that it's feasible, it's just that only one guy is claiming to be able to overcome the technical hurdles.

Historically these things usually happen with a bunch of trial and error shit and back-to-the-drawing-board missions, until someone makes a "breakthrough"

So maybe the guy has made this breakthrough, I can't rule this out. What I can confirm with my own eyes, however, is that he's behaving exactly the same way I would if I was planning on making a fuckton of cash out of duping a whole bunch of investors by convincing them I'd made the breakthrough.

Time will tell...

[Doktor Howl]

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

the bob in me is clenching her teeth

we cannot know what is the deal with the e-cat. i find it interesting that, among other scientists, nasa is taking it seriously http://ecat.org/tag/nasa/

Until he moves away from DO NOT LOOK IN MAGIC BOX, I can't take him seriously.  This is a con.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yup. Pull back the curtain already. Either it's a cloud of awesome new quantumz or it's Frank Morgan looking sheepish.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

the bob in me is clenching her teeth

we cannot know what is the deal with the e-cat. i find it interesting that, among other scientists, nasa is taking it seriously http://ecat.org/tag/nasa/

Until he moves away from DO NOT LOOK IN MAGIC BOX, I can't take him seriously.  This is a con.

Yep.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

the bob in me is clenching her teeth

we cannot know what is the deal with the e-cat. i find it interesting that, among other scientists, nasa is taking it seriously http://ecat.org/tag/nasa/

Until he moves away from DO NOT LOOK IN MAGIC BOX, I can't take him seriously.  This is a con.

For me its a good use of maybe logic, 90% maybe its a scam, 10% maybe its something useful. I'd he gets a patent and is still shady, I'll adjust it by 9%

[Doktor Howl]

This is 169% guaranteed crap.

the bob in me is clenching her teeth

we cannot know what is the deal with the e-cat. i find it interesting that, among other scientists, nasa is taking it seriously http://ecat.org/tag/nasa/

Until he moves away from DO NOT LOOK IN MAGIC BOX, I can't take him seriously.  This is a con.

For me its a good use of maybe logic, 90% maybe its a scam, 10% maybe its something useful. I'd he gets a patent and is still shady, I'll adjust it by 9%

PT Barnum made a fortune off of that kind of thinking.  By which I mean, "Other people doing that kind of thinking."