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Started by Left, May 26, 2013, 01:44:44 AM

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 30, 2013, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
I REALLY wonder why, on the occasion a police officer gets sent to trial, he or she is exceedingly likely to get a slap on the wrist sentence for killing someone.
...Why are they held to be better than other people in the eyes of the jury, you know?

I've thought for a while now it's a sort of trauma bonding/stockholm syndrome sort of thing.
It's too terrifying to realize the people we authorize to use lethal force are at least as fucked up, or more fucked up, than the rest of us.

Filth are legally "more important" than humans. If you fuck with one, you get a much stiffer penalty than you would if you did it to an actual person who didn't deserve it.

1.  That's because police are the face of the state.  Of course the state won't tolerate that.

2.  I know a few cops that are actual people and don't deserve it.  Not many, granted, but that's one hell of a broad brush you have there.

I've got mates that are serving members, too. Stand up guys. Any broad brush is the impression given by a legal system which makes a point of illustrating that they are not us.

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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 30, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
I'm not so sure that the FBI are the best people to run an inquiry, considering.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/why-did-the-fbi-kill-an-unarmed-man-and-clam-up/276369/

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 30, 2013, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
I REALLY wonder why, on the occasion a police officer gets sent to trial, he or she is exceedingly likely to get a slap on the wrist sentence for killing someone.
...Why are they held to be better than other people in the eyes of the jury, you know?

I've thought for a while now it's a sort of trauma bonding/stockholm syndrome sort of thing.
It's too terrifying to realize the people we authorize to use lethal force are at least as fucked up, or more fucked up, than the rest of us.

Filth are legally "more important" than humans. If you fuck with one, you get a much stiffer penalty than you would if you did it to an actual person who didn't deserve it.

1.  That's because police are the face of the state.  Of course the state won't tolerate that.

2.  I know a few cops that are actual people and don't deserve it.  Not many, granted, but that's one hell of a broad brush you have there.

I've got mates that are serving members, too. Stand up guys. Any broad brush is the impression given by a legal system which makes a point of illustrating that they are not us.

I've met cops who are decent human beings, I've met cops who are assholes.
Two memorable incidents involved male cops who were short of stature.
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I know two good cops. And I know there are more than two.

I also know that if I meet one on the street, that's not how I bet. And I put on my best nice-mom-lady face, and thank my lucky stars I'm not a black man.

I will tell you, one of the best things that's ever happened to me is the influx and normalization of Mexican immigrants here, because I used to stand out as a colored person, and now I look like half the moms in my neighborhood.
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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 31, 2013, 07:49:42 AM
I know two good cops. And I know there are more than two.

None of the cops I know that I'd hang around with are patrolmen.

Just an observation.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 31, 2013, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 31, 2013, 07:49:42 AM
I know two good cops. And I know there are more than two.

None of the cops I know that I'd hang around with are patrolmen.

Just an observation.

Yeah, neither are the two I know, come to think of it.

That seems... unfortunate.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 31, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 31, 2013, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 31, 2013, 07:49:42 AM
I know two good cops. And I know there are more than two.

None of the cops I know that I'd hang around with are patrolmen.

Just an observation.

Yeah, neither are the two I know, come to think of it.

That seems... unfortunate.

Well, I understand why patrolmen tend to go mean.  Believe me, I understand that.

All the other police just go nuts.  It's an inherently insane job.
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Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on May 30, 2013, 06:17:32 PM
My uncle was hit and killed by and officer in Tucson several years back, who was running late for breakfast. From what I know, the cop was suspended, with pay, and that's as far as it went. He wasn't in a crosswalk, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't use that as an excuse for running down someone crossing the street too slowly.

Unless a law was broken, that's an accident, not a crime.  Civil, not criminal...No matter who does it.  We regularly have cyclists mashed, and the driver of the motor vehicle is cited (if applicable) and then released.

It's Tucson, Jake.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 31, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on May 30, 2013, 06:17:32 PM
My uncle was hit and killed by and officer in Tucson several years back, who was running late for breakfast. From what I know, the cop was suspended, with pay, and that's as far as it went. He wasn't in a crosswalk, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't use that as an excuse for running down someone crossing the street too slowly.

Unless a law was broken, that's an accident, not a crime.  Civil, not criminal...No matter who does it.  We regularly have cyclists mashed, and the driver of the motor vehicle is cited (if applicable) and then released.

It's Tucson, Jake.

Yes, that's true and fairly obvious if I'd stopped to think about since terrible accidents happen and sometimes it's no-one's fault and sometimes it's the person who was killed that was at fault. I was in a bit of a Debbie Downer mood yesterday and my mom had mentioned it again recently so some of her bitterness rubbed off on me. Obviously it can be harder to be more objective when you know the person, though that still doesn't change things. Speed may have been a factor, but that's still a civil infraction. I'm not holding a grudge over it, but was venting my bad mood on it.
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Quote from: Telarus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
I'd like to praise the below LAPD officers for not killing anyone:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4383220/robert-bowlings-robotoki-invaded-by-lapd-after-curious-designer
No shit.

Though I'd not heard of this:
QuoteEarlier today reports circulated that the studio had been the victim of a "swatting" prank, in which a third party tricks law enforcement authorities or emergency services by providing details of a made-up threat, triggering an emergency response dispatch to the target of the prank.

That is beyond not cool, it could get someone killed.
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Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 01, 2013, 06:45:20 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
I'd like to praise the below LAPD officers for not killing anyone:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4383220/robert-bowlings-robotoki-invaded-by-lapd-after-curious-designer
No shit.

Though I'd not heard of this:
QuoteEarlier today reports circulated that the studio had been the victim of a "swatting" prank, in which a third party tricks law enforcement authorities or emergency services by providing details of a made-up threat, triggering an emergency response dispatch to the target of the prank.

That is beyond not cool, it could get someone killed.

It's the current fad in telephone pranking. Kids call in with spoofed phone number, saying that gunmen have invaded the house, shot one person, and taken others hostage. SWAT team shows up with lots of automatic weapons pointed at the front door to find a very surprised person. Hilarity ensues. For bonus points, use a telephone service intended to help deaf-mutes place calls - you send in text, and a government employee reads the text. As a disability service intended to enable basic communication, they are legally forbidden from inserting any of their own judgements, recording the call, or preserving where the text was coming from.
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Quote from: Telarus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
I'd like to praise the below LAPD officers for not killing anyone:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4383220/robert-bowlings-robotoki-invaded-by-lapd-after-curious-designer

Duuuude, why would anyone install a panic button and NOT TELL EVERYONE what it was?

A. They can't hit it in an emergency if they don't know it's there.

B. EVERYONE pushes an unlabeled button, to see what it does. EVERYONE.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 01, 2013, 06:04:24 PM
Quote from: Telarus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
I'd like to praise the below LAPD officers for not killing anyone:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4383220/robert-bowlings-robotoki-invaded-by-lapd-after-curious-designer

Duuuude, why would anyone install a panic button and NOT TELL EVERYONE what it was?

A. They can't hit it in an emergency if they don't know it's there.

B. EVERYONE pushes an unlabeled button, to see what it does. EVERYONE.

Unscrupulous marketing strategy? I can't tell anymore.
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Quote from: The Johnny on June 01, 2013, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 01, 2013, 06:04:24 PM
Quote from: Telarus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
I'd like to praise the below LAPD officers for not killing anyone:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4383220/robert-bowlings-robotoki-invaded-by-lapd-after-curious-designer

Duuuude, why would anyone install a panic button and NOT TELL EVERYONE what it was?

A. They can't hit it in an emergency if they don't know it's there.

B. EVERYONE pushes an unlabeled button, to see what it does. EVERYONE.

Unscrupulous marketing strategy? I can't tell anymore.

Hmmmm, could be!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: Golden Applesauce on June 01, 2013, 04:59:23 PM

It's the current fad in telephone pranking. Kids call in with spoofed phone number, saying that gunmen have invaded the house, shot one person, and taken others hostage.

One of my brother's friends...could have got my mom shot.
...But when he called the cops and told them "They're shooting at me!!!" he was in the middle of cocaine-induced psychosis...
She answered the door when they came and did so a bit too rapidly.
Don't do things rapidly around armed, scared people.

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Since I knew his parents when he lived across the street, it's probably the most stability he's had in his entire life. :sad: 
Shit, that's depressing, sorry, not feeling good today.
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