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Started by Junkenstein, June 06, 2013, 02:19:29 PM

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Junkenstein

#510
October 17, 2013, 08:45:28 AM
This feels related:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/514298/20131016/securedrop-aaron-swartz-wikileaks-style-anonymous-submission.htm

QuoteBefore his suicide in January 2013, Swartz had been working on a tool for sources to anonymously submit documents to journalists online, without using traceable email and in a way that could be easily catalogued by news organisations.

Called SecureDrop, the tool can be installed on any news organisation's website as a 'Contact Us' form page. But where these pages usually require a name and email address, the encrypted SecureDrop system is completely anonymous, assigning the whistleblower two unique identifiers - one seen by the journalist, and one seen by the whistleblower. These identities stay the same, so a conversation can be had without names being shared or known.

The launch of SecureDrop comes at a time when people are more aware than ever of the insecurity of online commuications. The leaks from NSA-whistleblower Edward Snowden has revealed widespread government monitoring of email and other forms of online communication.

SecureDrop, which is similar to the Wikileaks submission system, began life as Swartz's DeadDrop project - a way of helping journalists communicate anonymously with their sources. In May this year, The New Yorker used some of the tool's code to create its own system, called StrongBox.

Again, I don't know a lot about this yet, but it seems some people are still under the impression that any kind of internet submission process is secure.For instance,  say with a straight face that the NSA is not fully aware of everything assange/wikileaks knows/possesses. If strongbox isn't already being monitored, it will be by the end of today.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Cain

#511
October 21, 2013, 08:23:59 PM Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 05:53:09 AM by -
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The Good Reverend Roger

#512
October 21, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 21, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24607880

QuoteLe Monde says the NSA spied on 70.3 million phone calls in France in just 30 days between 10 December last year and 8 January 2013.

That's the France with a population of 65 million.

You know what's so embarrassing about all this?

We can't do SHIT without getting caught.  It's fucking humiliating.  All the other police states laugh at us.

:sad:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#513
October 21, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
That's awesome. Can I steal that?

The Good Reverend Roger

#514
October 21, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#515
October 21, 2013, 10:42:43 PM Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 05:52:34 AM by -
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Junkenstein

#516
October 21, 2013, 11:06:47 PM
Just want to put the possibility out there that the one guy who does speak french at the NSA told them "oui" means "bomb" and "non" means "horrific acts of terror".

Either that or the entire french population has been classed as a terrorist threat. Is the "freedom fries" thing still going? Guy who came up with that working at the NSA maybe?


These ideas sound insane only in comparison to what is actually happening.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

LMNO

#517
October 22, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 21, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 21, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
That's awesome. Can I steal that?

Which?

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 21, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 21, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24607880

QuoteLe Monde says the NSA spied on 70.3 million phone calls in France in just 30 days between 10 December last year and 8 January 2013.

That's the France with a population of 65 million.

You know what's so embarrassing about all this?

We can't do SHIT without getting caught.  It's fucking humiliating.  All the other police states laugh at us.

:sad:

This.

The Good Reverend Roger

#518
October 22, 2013, 02:43:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 22, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 21, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 21, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
That's awesome. Can I steal that?

Which?

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 21, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 21, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24607880

QuoteLe Monde says the NSA spied on 70.3 million phone calls in France in just 30 days between 10 December last year and 8 January 2013.

That's the France with a population of 65 million.

You know what's so embarrassing about all this?

We can't do SHIT without getting caught.  It's fucking humiliating.  All the other police states laugh at us.

:sad:

This.

Be my guest.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#519
October 22, 2013, 03:17:01 PM Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 05:49:44 AM by -
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The Good Reverend Roger

#520
October 22, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/21/21060532-obama-assures-french-leader-hollande-over-nsa-spying-reports?lite

Quote"The president and President Hollande discussed recent disclosures in the press - some of which have distorted our activities and some of which raise legitimate questions for our friends and allies about how these capabilities are employed," the White House said Monday.

"The president (Obama) made clear that the United States has begun to review the way that we gather intelligence, so that we properly balance the legitimate security concerns of our citizens and allies with the privacy concerns that all people share."

:lol:

We got caught, and now we're "reviewing what we did".

Also:

QuoteEarlier Monday, the Mexican government said Monday it was sending a diplomatic note to the U.S. demanding an investigation into reports of NSA spying against Mexican government officials.

A statement released by the Mexican Embassy in Washington noted that President Obama made a commitment during a recent meeting with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto "to conduct an exhaustive investigation" of alleged NSA spying in Mexico.

"The Government of Mexico will soon send a diplomatic note reiterating how important it is to our country that the aforementioned investigation be concluded promptly," the statement reads. "In a relationship between neighbors and partners there is no place for the practices which are alleged to have taken place."

The statement was prompted by a report in the German magazine Der Spiegel Sunday that, according to documents leaked by ex-contractor Edward Snowden, the NSA hacked into the email account of then Mexican President Felipe Calderon as part of an extensive agency eavesdropping operation in that country.

We'll get right on that investigation, president...Um, what did you say your name was again?

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#521
October 22, 2013, 03:20:59 PM
It occurs to me that you maybe want to review your intelligence gathering geeks BEFORE they do something embarrassing. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#522
October 22, 2013, 03:24:56 PM Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 05:49:33 AM by -
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Junkenstein

#523
October 22, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 03:17:01 PM
So, you know all those lunatic teabaggers who thought Obamacare would be use to spy on and control American citizens?

Well...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/21/verizon-hhs-healthcare-site-fix/3144761/

QuoteAn informed source in the telecommunications industry said Verizon's Enterprise Solutions division has been asked by the Department of Health and Human Services to improve the performance of the HealthCare.gov site, which is a key component of the Affordable Care Act. The source spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not been made official.

HHS office said Sunday the department would reach outside its government contractors to civilian companies that might be able to solve HealthCare.gov's problems more quickly.

Yes, that is the Verizon which turns over pretty much all of its data to the US government on a regular basis.

So, the question is, would healthcare data available from the Healthcare.gov website be available to the NSA etc should they want it?  I mean, that's a serious fucking overreach of government power, if so.
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Wow, this could be huge. There's the makings of a wonderful fuckup here. Some drug lord (read stooge) gets pinched in hospital shortly before/after an operation. Parallel construction overseen by NSA? Surely highly likely. Anyone arrested at/near a pharmacy would have reasonable grounds to assume something like this occurred too.

I'm trying to work out how the hippocratic oath would allow for this. I'd guess it would be something along the lines of that they have a moral/legal duty to comply with the government or "computers don't count".

Between the level of money possible to make from this data and the sheer number of companies that would pay through the nose for it, I just have to assume it's for sale if you know who to ask.

Paranoid moment considering that this is a reveal that may be planned for further down the line to destroy any kind of evil socialist healthcare that made this all possible. What the face of US healthcare would look like in this event is fucking chilling. Canadian and mexican healthcare tourism would probably cripple both countries medical systems quickly too. Think they'll enact laws against it? I can see that coming. Got to keep the american dollar in america and such. The worst part here is that I suspect a large percentage would support such measures wholesale. Even after the eventual consequences are explained.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Cain

#524
October 24, 2013, 08:17:42 PM Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 05:39:52 AM by -
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