Data Mine THIS!

[LMNO]

A few years back I was posting official looking "IMAGE BLOCKED UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK GOLD ACCOUNT" images and people screamed blue murder. 

Please forward.  This needs to resurface.

[Junkenstein]

That's gold.

Cram, they were art projects, but they got shut down HARD. Super hard. And fast. No lube.

The level of reaction was obscene from Facebook. I think it was Germany too and they feel certain ways about privacy. Kind of made you think it was already in the works, or possibly some kind of credit card tie-in. With all the Zynga shit now that could probably work. Vouchers without a doubt.

"What did you get for Christmas Timmy?"
"Facebook Dollars"

[Left]

yeah that's appropriate - speaking as a friend, you should really address your gambling and drug problem

[The Johnny]

I could go into detail as to how a quantitative/qualitative analysis would function, but only if someone is interested.

I'm someone and I'm interested.

Well, ill try to make it as clear as i can, from simple to complex.

In general terms regarding methodology:

*Quantitative analysis: comprehends numbers, statistics, recurrence, correlation, variables... not everything in this world is numbers, of course, but it CAN be translated into numbers if one so desires... how many times a word was said? how many times a behaviour takes place? How does X word (variable A) correlate with behaviour (variable B)?...

*Qualitative analysis: comprehends mostly discourse... even in its purest form it relies on some basics of quantitative measuring (recurrence of themes, words) because a recurrence denotes a "signifier", that is, something that is insisting on showing up in the discourse... to be properly done, i would consider a need to have at least 100 pages of material for it to be done properly.

In terms of the automated recollection and analysis possibilities:

There are two primary ways to analyze the data, that is, in a SOCIOLOGICAL manner, and a CLINICAL manner.

*Sociological/Quantitative: it will look to find patterns in actions/behaviour in GROUPALITIES thru associated variables. If a person is of certain age group, gender, nationality, race, location, with X preferences or behaviour will tend to Y. That is pure numbers association for demographics, which can be used for marketing purposes (for example), but it can also be used in support for a qualitative interpretation "¿what does it MEAN that soccer fans buy expensive jerseys of their favourite teams?", etc

*Clinical: this is focused on the individual and creating a profile. A hypothetical person reads the Anarkist's cookbook, has a recurrent anti-establishment discourse in a given forum or multiple emails and went on Amazon to order bulk chemicals and guns "Gee, I wonder what's next". Or say, a hypothetical person is a registered NRA, has recurrent anti-Bama discourse in Facebook "Oh, i wonder if hes going to vote Republican?".

The quantia and sociological aspect can be obfuscated by creating more "noise" than "signal" (and by more, i do mean it proportionately, the noise has to be 66% AT LEAST of the full content, because that's the basic statistical correlation threshold)... if everyone made "noise", there would come to exist strange correlations such as, say, ICP fans liking Dick Chainey and liking imported wine from the viniards in Spain. Or NASCAR fans that also like GreenPeace, so to speak.

A clinical approach cannot be obfuscated such easily, it implies somebody taking the time to read thru all your communications, and one can assume a retard wont be assigned to the task. Word salad won't work, because after 2-3 lines of reading it one can infer that it is what it is, salad (also, this salad needs to be posted to someone, somewhere, at a given time, giving a hint for posterity as to what is useless "discourse")... online actions and behaviour can be obfuscated with a good enough macro or a bot (until its wide-spread use starts to flourish, in which its behaviour can be reverse-engineered, find out exactly how it works, and therefore, apply those working criterions as a filter to what is garbage information).

In conclusion, the sociological analysis can be obfuscated by bots until they are reverse engineered, but the clinical approach cannot be fooled.

[Cramulus]

Well, ill try to make it as clear as i can, from simple to complex.

This was really interesting, thanks for typing all that out.

The quantia and sociological aspect can be obfuscated by creating more "noise" than "signal" (and by more, i do mean it proportionately, the noise has to be 66% AT LEAST of the full content, because that's the basic statistical correlation threshold)...

That answers a big question I had - how much noise is enough?

if everyone made "noise", there would come to exist strange correlations such as, say, ICP fans liking Dick Chainey

wait a minute, that sounds familiar...



okay okay okay, found it

[source]

[I_Kicked_Kennedy]

What if we kept trading accounts?

Sorta like hot-potato. We have some random, or irregular data generator, and based on the output we trade certain social or community account with other people?

Or...

We make up a new language offline (via short wave radio, or snail mail) and communicate online with this "logic encryption", in a language they can't decode?

I drank too much soda, tonight.

[I_Kicked_Kennedy]

Did anyone see Windtalkers?

I'm thinking something along those lines.

[Doktor Howl]

A few years back I was posting official looking "IMAGE BLOCKED UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK GOLD ACCOUNT" images and people screamed blue murder. 

Please forward.  This needs to resurface.

Sort of like the "level 3 user" gag here.

Yes, please post image.  Will use for evil only, I promise.

[hirley0]

 

20130716hirley0,and P3nT4gR4m were viewing TH IS

12:18:08 ? ? 12:24:20

A few years back I was posting official looking "IMAGE BLOCKED UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK GOLD ACCOUNT" images and people screamed blue murder. 

Please forward.  This needs to resurface.

Sort of like the "level 3 user" gag here.

Yes, please post image.  Will use for evil only, I promise.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Advertisers don't bother me. IN THE SLIGHTEST. I'd rather they were trying to show me stuff I'm actually interested in, rather than irrelevant shit. But then I'm not "persuaded" by advertising. I do not "impulse-buy" If I need something, I'll look for it. If it's expensive I'll research it, compare alternatives, weigh up the pro's and cons.

People who are persuaded by advertising? People who wear sweater A and listen to band B because some guy on teevee told them that's what they like? Fuck those people. They deserve it. Let them enjoy their manufactured happiness. If it wasn't for clever advertisers telling them what to think, they probably wouldn't think at all. They don't have any potential other than to be mindless drones.

[hirley0]

while you were tRy'N

quant v qual Lemme say I'Z an nT = not an L
nT = there are 3 img in my poist above
L = Name = names are words Like Gold is a QUAL word as is Silver & Copper

L's often have a price tag attached ? 1¢ | nT's are often ratios mg/mL etc 

[Doktor Howl]

20130716hirley0,and P3nT4gR4m were viewing TH IS

12:18:08 ? ? 12:24:20

A few years back I was posting official looking "IMAGE BLOCKED UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK GOLD ACCOUNT" images and people screamed blue murder. 

Please forward.  This needs to resurface.

Sort of like the "level 3 user" gag here.

Yes, please post image.  Will use for evil only, I promise.

[Cramulus]

Advertisers don't bother me. IN THE SLIGHTEST. I'd rather they were trying to show me stuff I'm actually interested in, rather than irrelevant shit. But then I'm not "persuaded" by advertising. I do not "impulse-buy" If I need something, I'll look for it. If it's expensive I'll research it, compare alternatives, weigh up the pro's and cons.

People who are persuaded by advertising? People who wear sweater A and listen to band B because some guy on teevee told them that's what they like? Fuck those people. They deserve it. Let them enjoy their manufactured happiness. If it wasn't for clever advertisers telling them what to think, they probably wouldn't think at all. They don't have any potential other than to be mindless drones.

I'm with you in so far that I don't think I've ever bought a product I saw in a facebook ad or banner ad or whatever.

However -- a lot of advertising words on a pre-concious level. Your forebrain does not understand the relationship between the hot hot tits and the brand logo. But your limbic system associates the arousal with the brand, and the next time you see the brand, you pay a little bit more attention. Gradually this awareness builds up until (ideally) it is strong enough to motivate you and become a factor in your decision making. You always think that you are making conscious rational choices, but the factors influencing those decisions are buried beneath your awareness. So I think - it's best not to arm these guys with your secret buttons and weaknesses.

But honestly, the ads themselves don't creep me out as much as the commercial PI market itself. Little streams of data trickle into their files, building an increasingly complete picture of your life. It's a very mysterious industry, because the half dozen-ish companies that collect and trade data about you, as a policy, do not do interviews. They do not publicize how they operate. You do not have a right to see what they have about you. If they have incorrect or dangerous information, there is no way for you to correct it. You do not get a royalty when they sell your info. This market is completely unregulated - there are very few laws about what kind of information they can collect about you, how they can trade it, or what it can be used for.

What if employers had access to that info? What about hackers? What about somebody stalking you? They don't have access now, but there are very few gates between them and the data that should be private.

[Cramulus]

A few years back I was posting official looking "IMAGE BLOCKED UNLESS YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK GOLD ACCOUNT" images and people screamed blue murder. 

Please forward.  This needs to resurface.

Sort of like the "level 3 user" gag here.

Yes, please post image.  Will use for evil only, I promise.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Advertisers don't bother me. IN THE SLIGHTEST. I'd rather they were trying to show me stuff I'm actually interested in, rather than irrelevant shit. But then I'm not "persuaded" by advertising. I do not "impulse-buy" If I need something, I'll look for it. If it's expensive I'll research it, compare alternatives, weigh up the pro's and cons.

People who are persuaded by advertising? People who wear sweater A and listen to band B because some guy on teevee told them that's what they like? Fuck those people. They deserve it. Let them enjoy their manufactured happiness. If it wasn't for clever advertisers telling them what to think, they probably wouldn't think at all. They don't have any potential other than to be mindless drones.

I'm with you in so far that I don't think I've ever bought a product I saw in a facebook ad or banner ad or whatever.

However -- a lot of advertising words on a pre-concious level. Your forebrain does not understand the relationship between the hot hot tits and the brand logo. But your limbic system associates the arousal with the brand, and the next time you see the brand, you pay a little bit more attention. Gradually this awareness builds up until (ideally) it is strong enough to motivate you and become a factor in your decision making. You always think that you are making conscious rational choices, but the factors influencing those decisions are buried beneath your awareness. So I think - it's best not to arm these guys with your secret buttons and weaknesses.

But honestly, the ads themselves don't creep me out as much as the commercial PI market itself. Little streams of data trickle into their files, building an increasingly complete picture of your life. It's a very mysterious industry, because the half dozen-ish companies that collect and trade data about you, as a policy, do not do interviews. They do not publicize how they operate. You do not have a right to see what they have about you. If they have incorrect or dangerous information, there is no way for you to correct it. You do not get a royalty when they sell your info. This market is completely unregulated - there are very few laws about what kind of information they can collect about you, how they can trade it, or what it can be used for.

What if employers had access to that info? What about hackers? What about somebody stalking you? They don't have access now, but there are very few gates between them and the data that should be private.

Yeah, I'm much more concerned about retarded governments flagging me as a false positive on the anti-spam heuristics software that is their defense againt teh terrur/commie/insert meaningless boogeyman terminology here - threat.

Fun diversion tho a trip to gitmo might be what happens if getting out involves a bit more than simply killing everyone in the building and piling the bodies up high enough to climb over the wall? What then? I'm stuck in some retarded prison camp, with nothing to eat but rotting human corpses, on the other side of the world from my kayak?

No - fuck that shit. Anything I can do to fuck with them, that doesn't take up too much of my time and I'm in. Browser plugins sound good. I can just leave that shit running while I'm off surfing. Come back and the spooktards are knocking on my door, asking to see a one eyed black irish lesbian. Sorted!