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What did you do with my RWHN?

Started by AFK, July 18, 2013, 12:47:54 AM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: MMIX on July 18, 2013, 05:45:27 PM
I know I'm just a dumb old hippie, but my old-fashioned ass says both Rolling Stone & RWHN are wrong here.
Djohar Tsarnaev has entered a plea of not guilty and the trial has yet to determine his guilt or innocence. Just an observation

This is a REALLY great point, and one that has previously been completely missing from this conversation.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

PREDICTION: At some point soon, RWHN will start a thread defending anti-abortion legislation.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Well, I'm done here.  Going off to write some, because I've had enough of RWHN.
Molon Lube

AFK

Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on July 18, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on July 18, 2013, 05:29:50 PM
But then there is "wrong" in the sense of just being decent.  I think the cover is wrong on that level.  And why, while I certainly don't support any kind of government censorship of it, I'm all in favor of boycotts to communicate to Rolling Stone that it really fucked up.

So journalism, in an ideal arrangement, would be "nice".  Little girls feeding ducks.


It's about respect, not being "nice".

So, journalism should be respectful?  Is that what you're trying to say?


I am not ascribing a "should" because that implies some entity to police that.  Rolling Stone and any other magazine should be able to publish whatever they want.  But they then subject themselves to the courts of public opinion and public scrutiny.  And just as a matter of decency it would be great if the question of, "gee I wonder if this might offend the still suffering victims?" would pop into someone's head.  In this case a segment of the public has decided this is a fucked up decision on their part, and I agree.  But nowhere have I suggested, nor am I suggesting now, someone should make them be decent or respectful.  They just should because it is the right thing to do.


But I know, money. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on July 18, 2013, 06:00:14 PM
But I know, money.

Sort of like "putting kids in prison is wrong", but I know, funding.
Molon Lube

AFK

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 18, 2013, 05:58:09 PM
PREDICTION: At some point soon, RWHN will start a thread defending anti-abortion legislation.


If you knew something about my personal life you would not say that. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Doktor Howl

It's the same thing, really.  You NEED to tell people what they can and cannot do.
Molon Lube

Suu

#278
The cover did what it was supposed to: It got me pissed, it got RWHN pissed. It got millions of people on the internet pissed and talking about it. Well done, Rolling Stone.

I just finished the article. I enjoyed it, it is extremely well done and gives a good perspective. It does not glamorize the suspected bomber or his actions, but it definitely makes the reader THINK. This is worth reading, IMO. Like I was just debating with ECH, I personally don't agree with putting terrorists on the covers of magazines, because hey, that's what they want, right? But, the attention grab WORKS, that's the whole point. If you haven't read it yet, check it out.

edited because MMIX made a really valid point.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

AFK

Like I said, it was all about getting eyeballs and moving units.  To me, in the wake of what happened to so many people, it is ugly and repugnant.  But that's just me. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Suu

And like I said, then it's doing what it's supposed to do. I was ticked off at first too and reposted the image yesterday morning at 6am without even coffee to have it make sense to me.

ECH made a really fucking valid point on my Facebook page when we were discussing it. Were you mad when Bin Laden was on TIME? And clearly Manson and Nixon made Rolling Stone as previously posted in this thread, so clearly it's not JUST for rockstars. Do they deserve the "rockstar" treatment? Of course not, but, Rolling Stone has a staff of pretty damn talented writers. They want you to read their article. I strongly encourage you to check it out.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Q. G. Pennyworth

DEAR RWHN,

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35749/i-was-at-the-boston-marathon-bombing-this-is-my-story

That's a good friend of mine. She comes over for dinner when she's not insanely busy with work. In the weeks afterwards, I got to check up on the parents at the playground, some of whom had friends who were severely injured. I had to talk to my kids about what happened at a park they love to spend time at. We were at Copley just a couple weeks ago, in fact.

You don't get to be offended on my behalf. EVER. You do not have the right to be offended on behalf of anyone in Boston. Get your righteous moral indignation somewhere else, because you can not take it from here.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on July 18, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
DEAR RWHN,

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35749/i-was-at-the-boston-marathon-bombing-this-is-my-story

That's a good friend of mine. She comes over for dinner when she's not insanely busy with work. In the weeks afterwards, I got to check up on the parents at the playground, some of whom had friends who were severely injured. I had to talk to my kids about what happened at a park they love to spend time at. We were at Copley just a couple weeks ago, in fact.

You don't get to be offended on my behalf. EVER. You do not have the right to be offended on behalf of anyone in Boston. Get your righteous moral indignation somewhere else, because you can not take it from here.

Now, now.  YOUR misery and heartache is HIS outrage porn.

Be reasonable about this.
Molon Lube

AFK

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on July 18, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
DEAR RWHN,

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35749/i-was-at-the-boston-marathon-bombing-this-is-my-story

That's a good friend of mine. She comes over for dinner when she's not insanely busy with work. In the weeks afterwards, I got to check up on the parents at the playground, some of whom had friends who were severely injured. I had to talk to my kids about what happened at a park they love to spend time at. We were at Copley just a couple weeks ago, in fact.

You don't get to be offended on my behalf. EVER. You do not have the right to be offended on behalf of anyone in Boston. Get your righteous moral indignation somewhere else, because you can not take it from here.

And what about the other victims who were there and are outraged by the cover?  Do they count less somehow?
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.