An article that will be fun to flog "bootstrap" libertariantards with.

[Doktor Howl]

There are a number of completely white member of the BSU at my school. Most of them have personal reasons, like having black family, but I don't think anyone really questions them on it. They're just members like everybody else.

I don't know about the U of A.  I just know that it's nice to have people in Arizona who aren't You Peopling.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There are a number of completely white member of the BSU at my school. Most of them have personal reasons, like having black family, but I don't think anyone really questions them on it. They're just members like everybody else.

I don't know about the U of A.  I just know that it's nice to have people in Arizona who aren't You Peopling.

It really is, isn't it? And on that happy note, I am off to lunch.

[McGrupp]

http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/16/19504230-im-working-as-hard-as-i-can-for-the-poor-the-costs-of-life-can-be-higher?lite

Good read.  No surprise to most people here, I imagine.

Awesome article. So tired of the fuck the poor attitude. Love getting more ammo to argue against it.

[Pergamos]

One thing that I think really needs to be driven home to those assholes who don't think people on public assistance should have the "luxury" of an automobile, or who think that it's an unnecessary expense; people who ride the bus often spend more time waiting or in transit, each week than they spend working. That lost time could have made the difference in a lot of ways; they could have had a second job, taken an extra class, or even two classes, with that time. They could have cooked from scratch instead of buying fast food. They could have improved their quality of life and health through leisure time. In most places in America, a car is not an additional expense when you add up the lost wages and opportunity that often result from not having a car.

Bootstrap libertarians are also generally opposed to public funding for busses.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I mean, it's no surprise that the system is rigged.  "Ghetto taxes" on food, gasoline, etc.  I live on the NW side, where there's (some) money.  My gasoline is $0.09/gallon cheaper than it is down around 29th & Alvernon.  My food is about 20% cheaper.

Why?  Because I can drive anywhere I like to get what I need.  Poor people who have to walk to the grocery store are a captive audience.  They are ground down by what to me would be very minor expenses, and the chance of them "bootstrapping" is roughly that of them winning the lottery, but the LP and the teabaggers insist that they should be thrown to the wolves.

It is precisely for this reason that I abhor libertarians and all they stand for.  Teabaggers are basically the same thing, except that their racism is fairly blatant and self-admitted, rather than buried in economic policies.

Lets not forget LATE FEES on lights, water, rent, etc. Because people who don't pay these things in a timely manner just need to be MOTIVATED, by golly!

[The Johnny]

If all your support network (friends, acquaintances, family, etc) are also poor, then you really can't rely on a helping hand in an economical sense either, so instead of borrowing with no interests, you also get pillaged from wherever you got your credit.

[The Johnny]

Also, channeling third-world resentment: there's no unemployment aid down here.

[Ben Shapiro]

One thing that I think really needs to be driven home to those assholes who don't think people on public assistance should have the "luxury" of an automobile, or who think that it's an unnecessary expense; people who ride the bus often spend more time waiting or in transit, each week than they spend working. That lost time could have made the difference in a lot of ways; they could have had a second job, taken an extra class, or even two classes, with that time. They could have cooked from scratch instead of buying fast food. They could have improved their quality of life and health through leisure time. In most places in America, a car is not an additional expense when you add up the lost wages and opportunity that often result from not having a car.

Bootstrap libertarians are also generally opposed to public funding for busses EVERYTHING.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, it's no surprise that the system is rigged.  "Ghetto taxes" on food, gasoline, etc.  I live on the NW side, where there's (some) money.  My gasoline is $0.09/gallon cheaper than it is down around 29th & Alvernon.  My food is about 20% cheaper.

Why?  Because I can drive anywhere I like to get what I need.  Poor people who have to walk to the grocery store are a captive audience.  They are ground down by what to me would be very minor expenses, and the chance of them "bootstrapping" is roughly that of them winning the lottery, but the LP and the teabaggers insist that they should be thrown to the wolves.

It is precisely for this reason that I abhor libertarians and all they stand for.  Teabaggers are basically the same thing, except that their racism is fairly blatant and self-admitted, rather than buried in economic policies.

Lets not forget LATE FEES on lights, water, rent, etc. Because people who don't pay these things in a timely manner just need to be MOTIVATED, by golly!

Can't pay $35 for gas here's a fucking $25 late fee, and $50 re-connection fee.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I mean, it's no surprise that the system is rigged.  "Ghetto taxes" on food, gasoline, etc.  I live on the NW side, where there's (some) money.  My gasoline is $0.09/gallon cheaper than it is down around 29th & Alvernon.  My food is about 20% cheaper.

Why?  Because I can drive anywhere I like to get what I need.  Poor people who have to walk to the grocery store are a captive audience.  They are ground down by what to me would be very minor expenses, and the chance of them "bootstrapping" is roughly that of them winning the lottery, but the LP and the teabaggers insist that they should be thrown to the wolves.

It is precisely for this reason that I abhor libertarians and all they stand for.  Teabaggers are basically the same thing, except that their racism is fairly blatant and self-admitted, rather than buried in economic policies.

Lets not forget LATE FEES on lights, water, rent, etc. Because people who don't pay these things in a timely manner just need to be MOTIVATED, by golly!

And BAD CREDIT from paying things late used to mean people wouldn't lend you money; now it means nobody will give you a job or a place to live! HAR HAR!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

One thing that I think really needs to be driven home to those assholes who don't think people on public assistance should have the "luxury" of an automobile, or who think that it's an unnecessary expense; people who ride the bus often spend more time waiting or in transit, each week than they spend working. That lost time could have made the difference in a lot of ways; they could have had a second job, taken an extra class, or even two classes, with that time. They could have cooked from scratch instead of buying fast food. They could have improved their quality of life and health through leisure time. In most places in America, a car is not an additional expense when you add up the lost wages and opportunity that often result from not having a car.

Bootstrap libertarians are also generally opposed to public funding for busses.

WELL THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

[Cain]

This all seems very familiar, from my own brush with poverty.  So much time wasted because I couldn't even afford public transport let alone a car, extra expenses from going into my overdraft, being unable to pay bills on time, poor diet....bad times all around.

[Left]

I'm really tired of being poor, mainly the car thing.
...I was looking into driving for FedUp...and the median package delivery person seems to make...about as much as I currently do.
I'm willing to bust ass for more pay, but it looks like I'd be busting ass for the SAME pay.
...I really ought to consider working 2 jobs.