How We Protect At-Risk Kids.

[East Coast Hustle]

Sorry, I have a speech to write and a retirement party to repare for.  Maybe tomorrow.

Finally decided to do the only honorable thing, huh?

[Telarus]

So, RWHN, next time I give you shit about not responding to me? This is why. You smarmy fuck.

Don't feel too bad, Gogira. I haven't been able to get a clear answer from him on that point since I started here on the forum, and was all "WOW, a Discordian in Abuse Prevention, that's RAD!" and then a week later disagreed with a single point in his reality-tunnel.

[AFK]

Sorry, I have a speech to write and a retirement party to repare for.  Maybe tomorrow.

Finally decided to do the only honorable thing, huh?

Ha ha ha ha.... no.  Sorry, it's not mine.

[Telarus]

The reality isn' "it's illegal"... the reality of the situation is much closer to the below.

Reason #1 why drugs will never get legalized:

It's a carefully controlled ogliopoly.  Laws allow for idiots like you (the dear readers of this thread) to be busted, while other, Very Important and Special People do not get busted because they are friends of other Special People (read: SIS, CIA, ASIS, etc) and pass them along bits of gossip and shares of the profit, the latter of which are then diverted into off-the-book operations which are used to Safetify Democracy and Protecticate Freedom, which we all agree is Regrettable But Necessary.

If just anyone could go into the drugs business, profits would drop from both from legalisation itself, and also the increase in competitors.  And then puppies would cry, because puppies love freedom and you are undermining it with your selfish and insolent attitude towards the drug trade. 

Pro-legalization means pro-upsetting puppies.

(Note: none of this applies if you have your own guerrilla army, like FARC. But you don't.  So it does).

[AFK]

Well, he won't state whether or not he feels that alcohol should be banned, only that the lobbyists (rather than history) make that an unlikely scenario.

The word is impossible.  It's a non-starter, not even worth consideration for discussion.

Because acknowledging that would force him to say that either his once a month beer night is illegal or conversely that marijuana should be legalized. His one, maybe two, coffee a day addiction might be lost in some legal limbo there.

That doesn't make any sense.  Alcohol is legal.  If in some magical universe it became illegal again I'd just stop using it, no big deal really. Marijuana should never be legalized.

So if your government decided to criminalize something that you enjoy responsibly you'd just be OK with that?

Wow, you're a real piece of work.

For me personally, alcohol wouldn't be worth a fight.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight he criminalization of other things.  Not drinking alcohol on the rare occassions that I do really wouldn't be a big deal.

[Pergamos]

Well, he won't state whether or not he feels that alcohol should be banned, only that the lobbyists (rather than history) make that an unlikely scenario.

The word is impossible.  It's a non-starter, not even worth consideration for discussion.

Because acknowledging that would force him to say that either his once a month beer night is illegal or conversely that marijuana should be legalized. His one, maybe two, coffee a day addiction might be lost in some legal limbo there.

That doesn't make any sense.  Alcohol is legal.  If in some magical universe it became illegal again I'd just stop using it, no big deal really. Marijuana should never be legalized.

So if your government decided to criminalize something that you enjoy responsibly you'd just be OK with that?

Wow, you're a real piece of work.

For me personally, alcohol wouldn't be worth a fight.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight he criminalization of other things.  Not drinking alcohol on the rare occassions that I do really wouldn't be a big deal.

Like coffee, presumably.

I have known kids who abused caffeine, in a much more abusey way than the coffee addict with bad kidneys who can't sleep right.  They'd chow no doze and get something similar to a speed buzz.  Some of them went overboard and experienced explosive diorhea, vomiting, and hallucinations, all at the same time.    The grounds to prohibit it are certainly more reasonable than marijuana if we are assuming that prohibition reduces use and we want to keep it away from kids. 

[Cain]

Some of them went overboard and experienced explosive diorhea, vomiting, and hallucinations, all at the same time.

Or as we used to call it, "exam shits".

Living in a building full of chemistry students meant caffeine abuse was inevitable.  The pro-plus/red bull slammers certainly had a hell of a kick to them...I thought I was having a heart attack when I tried some.

[AFK]

Well, he won't state whether or not he feels that alcohol should be banned, only that the lobbyists (rather than history) make that an unlikely scenario.

The word is impossible.  It's a non-starter, not even worth consideration for discussion.

Because acknowledging that would force him to say that either his once a month beer night is illegal or conversely that marijuana should be legalized. His one, maybe two, coffee a day addiction might be lost in some legal limbo there.

That doesn't make any sense.  Alcohol is legal.  If in some magical universe it became illegal again I'd just stop using it, no big deal really. Marijuana should never be legalized.

So if your government decided to criminalize something that you enjoy responsibly you'd just be OK with that?

Wow, you're a real piece of work.

For me personally, alcohol wouldn't be worth a fight.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight he criminalization of other things.  Not drinking alcohol on the rare occassions that I do really wouldn't be a big deal.

Like coffee, presumably.

I have known kids who abused caffeine, in a much more abusey way than the coffee addict with bad kidneys who can't sleep right.  They'd chow no doze and get something similar to a speed buzz.  Some of them went overboard and experienced explosive diorhea, vomiting, and hallucinations, all at the same time.    The grounds to prohibit it are certainly more reasonable than marijuana if we are assuming that prohibition reduces use and we want to keep it away from kids.

I'm all in favor of banning the sales of energy drinks and other high-caffeine products to minors. 

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Well, he won't state whether or not he feels that alcohol should be banned, only that the lobbyists (rather than history) make that an unlikely scenario.

The word is impossible.  It's a non-starter, not even worth consideration for discussion.

Because acknowledging that would force him to say that either his once a month beer night is illegal or conversely that marijuana should be legalized. His one, maybe two, coffee a day addiction might be lost in some legal limbo there.

That doesn't make any sense.  Alcohol is legal.  If in some magical universe it became illegal again I'd just stop using it, no big deal really. Marijuana should never be legalized.

So if your government decided to criminalize something that you enjoy responsibly you'd just be OK with that?

Wow, you're a real piece of work.

For me personally, alcohol wouldn't be worth a fight.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight he criminalization of other things.  Not drinking alcohol on the rare occassions that I do really wouldn't be a big deal.

Like coffee, presumably.

I have known kids who abused caffeine, in a much more abusey way than the coffee addict with bad kidneys who can't sleep right.  They'd chow no doze and get something similar to a speed buzz.  Some of them went overboard and experienced explosive diorhea, vomiting, and hallucinations, all at the same time.    The grounds to prohibit it are certainly more reasonable than marijuana if we are assuming that prohibition reduces use and we want to keep it away from kids.

I'm all in favor of banning the sales of energy drinks and other high-caffeine products to minors.

[AFK]

See, the deal is, it doesn't matter of thing x is more dangerous, or more addictive, or more whatever than marijuana.  Because that isn't the question.  Whether or not marijuana should be legal should be based on its own merits as a substance, based on its own qualities.  In that respect, for me, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to legalize as the impacts of marijuana on youth, on public health, and on society are abundantly clear. 


And the major forces behind legalization aren't people from the personal freedom crowd.  It is people who want to legalize it to make money, to make profit.  And when you legalize an addictive substance, and it becomes fueled by making profits, it means you need to constantly grow your user base.  You need to get them hooked. 


And then you have Joe Camel and alcopops.

[Junkenstein]

See, the deal is, it doesn't matter of thing x is more dangerous, or more addictive, or more whatever than marijuana.  Because that isn't the question.  Whether or not marijuana should be legal should be based on its own merits as a substance, based on its own qualities.  In that respect, for me, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to legalize as the impacts of marijuana on youth, on public health, and on society are abundantly clear. 


And the major forces behind legalization aren't people from the personal freedom crowd.  It is people who want to legalize it to make money, to make profit.  And when you legalize an addictive substance, and it becomes fueled by making profits, it means you need to constantly grow your user base.  You need to get them hooked. 


And then you have Joe Camel and alcopops.

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[East Coast Hustle]

Well, he won't state whether or not he feels that alcohol should be banned, only that the lobbyists (rather than history) make that an unlikely scenario.

The word is impossible.  It's a non-starter, not even worth consideration for discussion.

Because acknowledging that would force him to say that either his once a month beer night is illegal or conversely that marijuana should be legalized. His one, maybe two, coffee a day addiction might be lost in some legal limbo there.

That doesn't make any sense.  Alcohol is legal.  If in some magical universe it became illegal again I'd just stop using it, no big deal really. Marijuana should never be legalized.

So if your government decided to criminalize something that you enjoy responsibly you'd just be OK with that?

Wow, you're a real piece of work.

For me personally, alcohol wouldn't be worth a fight.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight he criminalization of other things.  Not drinking alcohol on the rare occassions that I do really wouldn't be a big deal.

So it's not the principle of the matter, then. It's just how YOU feel about it.

Can't say I'm surprised since it's been obvious for awhile that you don't have any principles.

[AFK]

Sure I do.  One of them is to not get worked up about stuff that doesn't matter.

[Junkenstein]

Sure I do.  One of them is to not get worked up about stuff that doesn't matter.

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People in jail? Lives Ruined? Irrelevant!

You really are a waste of skin.

[AFK]

Drug abuse ruins lives.