How We Protect At-Risk Kids.

[Salty]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Smooth jazz is to music what policy makers are to helpful, positive contributing members of  society.

They both pretend to be good at what they do, and for some reason people buy into it, but it's just nonsensical fiddle faddle white people do because they don't know any better.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Smooth jazz is to music what policy makers are to helpful, positive contributing members of  society.

They both pretend to be good at what they do, and for some reason people buy into it, but it's just nonsensical fiddle faddle white people do because they don't know any better.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Busy not totally having sex, I see.

That post was 3 1/2 hours ago.

He keeps track of the time since he posted last.

LAME. 

Or quite possibly counting the time lapse in between incidences of coitus which is pretty damn weird.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I would like to understand just what a "ruined life" consists of.

I dont know why, but i do.

It's really very simple.

Doing drugs = ruined life

Safe from drugs = life not ruined.

TOTALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG.

Other exciting things that totally do not ruin lives:

- Decades-long incarceration for minor drug offenses
- Permanent records classifying someone as a DIRTY CRIMINAL
- Inability to gain employment due to said records
- Living life according to oversimplified and unscientific RWHN-brand "Ideals"

It is also worth noting that, every time someone brings up the point that alcohol is perfectly legal yet more harmful in every measurable way than marijuana, RWHN dodges by claiming "well that's the way the law is written, and I'm not trying to make the world perfect, just trying to keep it from getting worse."

HOWEVER, those existing laws which RWHN is not interested in changing are the very laws which lead to the types of "totally not ruining lives" situations I listed above. When THESE are brought up, RWHN's response (if he bothers to give one) is "I advocate for [diversion/therapy/etc], not harsh criminal penalties for young small-time offenders."

Which is it, RWHN? Do you want to preserve the legal status quo, or do you want to improve it? You can't claim both of those things and remain logically consistent.

Can you even prove that any of the alternatives you are talking about are completely perfect? If not I don't see how you can consider them "harm reduction".

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

You two are obviously terrorists who are trying to assist Cain in his diabolical stalking plan.

[AFK]

I would like to understand just what a "ruined life" consists of.

I dont know why, but i do.

It's really very simple.

Doing drugs = ruined life

Safe from drugs = life not ruined.

TOTALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG.

Other exciting things that totally do not ruin lives:

- Decades-long incarceration for minor drug offenses
- Permanent records classifying someone as a DIRTY CRIMINAL
- Inability to gain employment due to said records
- Living life according to oversimplified and unscientific RWHN-brand "Ideals"

It is also worth noting that, every time someone brings up the point that alcohol is perfectly legal yet more harmful in every measurable way than marijuana, RWHN dodges by claiming "well that's the way the law is written, and I'm not trying to make the world perfect, just trying to keep it from getting worse."

HOWEVER, those existing laws which RWHN is not interested in changing are the very laws which lead to the types of "totally not ruining lives" situations I listed above. When THESE are brought up, RWHN's response (if he bothers to give one) is "I advocate for [diversion/therapy/etc], not harsh criminal penalties for young small-time offenders."

Which is it, RWHN? Do you want to preserve the legal status quo, or do you want to improve it? You can't claim both of those things and remain logically consistent.

You are, of course, wrong.  Legalization will lead to more access to youth and lead to more use and addiction.  So that is a non-starter.  PLUS, legalization would leave it illegal for minors, so you do nothing to change the issues with financial aid, employability, etc. 

However, within the current structure one can advocate for changes in consequences.  Diversion, reforming student aid rules and laws, etc., etc.

That is the way to go and is perfectly, logically consistent.

[AFK]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Uh, you're an Opeth fan.  Which is only marginally better than metalcore and In Flames fans.

[AFK]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Smooth jazz is to music what policy makers are to helpful, positive contributing members of  society.

They both pretend to be good at what they do, and for some reason people buy into it, but it's just nonsensical fiddle faddle white people do because they don't know any better.

Oh wow, you might want to actually do a little more research.  Smooth Jazz is definitely NOT exclusively a white genre.  Not that I would expect you to know any better.

[AFK]

Busy not totally having sex, I see.

That post was 3 1/2 hours ago.

He keeps track of the time since he posted last.

LAME. 

Or quite possibly counting the time lapse in between incidences of coitus which is pretty damn weird.

Almost as weird as people posting and positing about the sex lives of others. 

You and Stella have nothing better to do with your lives?

[Junkenstein]

b]1376753984[/b]]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

He won't respond to this because the "documentation" he refers to upthread doesn't exist; he's lying. As usual, he's a giant lying liar.

I provided documentation, RWHN; you gonna step up?

Oh yeah. I figured as much. Lying authoritarian punishment freaks don't usually have anything but false "authority" to back up their claims.

[AFK]

b]1376753984[/b]]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

He won't respond to this because the "documentation" he refers to upthread doesn't exist; he's lying. As usual, he's a giant lying liar.

I provided documentation, RWHN; you gonna step up?

Oh yeah. I figured as much. Lying authoritarian punishment freaks don't usually have anything but false "authority" to back up their claims.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Uh, you're an Opeth fan.  Which is only marginally better than metalcore and In Flames fans.

Coming from a smooth jazz fan who dabbles in being a fluffer for the establishment, this means a lot to me.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

ITT: RWHN once again asserts that more children will become addicted to pot with no relevant evidence should it become legal for adults (relevant evidence would be increased youth usage in states where it has been legalized); promotes "diversion" despite the fact that we all bloody well know that means "nice kids get a slap on the wrist and forever have the man over their shoulder preventing them from taking the risks necessary to make the world suck less, brown kids go directly to jail"; and continues to ignore the hypocracy of safely consuming moderate amounts of alcohol while penalizing the safe consumption of moderate amounts of marijuana. Nothing changes, ever.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

b]1376753984[/b]]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

He won't respond to this because the "documentation" he refers to upthread doesn't exist; he's lying. As usual, he's a giant lying liar.

I provided documentation, RWHN; you gonna step up?

Oh yeah. I figured as much. Lying authoritarian punishment freaks don't usually have anything but false "authority" to back up their claims.

RWHN'S "DOCUMENTATION" 

[Salty]

I should have known better than to take WHN seriously once i found out he listens to smooth jazz. I've never known anyone who likes that shit and also isn't a total dick.

SMOOTH JAZZ? Are you fcking shitting me? That isn't even music.

Smooth jazz is to music what policy makers are to helpful, positive contributing members of  society.

They both pretend to be good at what they do, and for some reason people buy into it, but it's just nonsensical fiddle faddle white people do because they don't know any better.

Oh wow, you might want to actually do a little more research.  Smooth Jazz is definitely NOT exclusively a white genre.  Not that I would expect you to know any better.