I love Miley Cyrus

[Don Coyote]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pop_star

Ugh.

I hate how condescending it is. I hate the "she's just a product" mentality that gets applied to female pop stars, while male ones are assumed to have creative control and responsibility for their work.

Takes the fangs out of her.  Makes her harmless.

That is a load of douchebaggery right there.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My wife wants to watch it a few more times to analyze it.

If she wants to go shopping right afterwards, make sure she gets the silicone-based lube.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It is ESPECIALLY fascinating how many people seem to want to strip her of her agency when the message of the songs that have been criticized so far are entirely about her control and responsibility, on a project she has been vocal about her pride in having complete creative control over.

NO YOU DON'T MILEY, YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE GIRL AND A PAWN OF MEN, RIGHT? PLEASE TELL ME I'M RIGHT I NEED TO BE RIGHT OH GOD THE WORLD IS SCARY I CAN'T.

  Precisely.

[Don Coyote]

My wife wants to watch it a few more times to analyze it.

If she wants to go shopping right afterwards, make sure she gets the silicone-based lube.

There is nothing to say in response to that because she would knife me in my sleep.

[Faust]

She stole Lady gaga's dick?

The Futa Queen is dead, long live the Futa Queen.

To physically exhausted to type it out again.

Will try later.

Nope, guess I still don't get it.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://www.hngn.com/articles/12069/20130910/miley-cyrus-wrecking-ball-explained-breakdown-deeper-meaning-behind-singer.htm

If you read this it sounds like it is just another break-up song.  So nothing to freak out about, but not anything to really write home about either. 

I don't get the reactions either way.

I think you didn't get why gendered toys were a thing, either. This might be something you need to look into when you have free time and no head colds or sleep deficiency.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

She stole Lady gaga's dick?

The Futa Queen is dead, long live the Futa Queen.

To physically exhausted to type it out again.

Will try later.

Nope, guess I still don't get it.

Okay.

[AFK]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

[AFK]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pop_star

Ugh.

I hate how condescending it is. I hate the "she's just a product" mentality that gets applied to female pop stars, while male ones are assumed to have creative control and responsibility for their work.

All, pop stars are products.  Everyone knows the "boy bands" were completely contrived and packaged.


Fuck, it applies to rock bands too.  Black Sabbath only got all spooky and gloomy when they figured out it would sell records.  Before that they were just a hippy, blues band.  Same with Judas Priest. 


I dunno, what if it's spot on though?  Miley Cyrus has been a packaged product for most of her career.  This would be pretty much par for the course in that regard.  Not because she's a girl, because she's pop.  That's what record companies do with pop, to make it pop-ular.

[Faust]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

She is still horrifying people deliberately, this was posted to reddit a few weeks back

http://www.sineadoconnor.com/sineads-wank-bank/

And got a lot of rage that I couldn't understand. If a lad posts it you will get a response like 1)Agree 2)Disagree 3)agree etc. if a girl does it she is a whore.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

Sinead's version was more vulnerability = sexy and/or avant garde. Miley's is more I don't care what you think is sexy or proper because this is what I think of your whole stupid system of how various types of women should be portrayed in media.

ETA: Maybe not quite that but along the lines of "This unspoken code of what I must do to be acceptably successful and famous is bullshit, I'm going to do it this way and watch you all squirm."

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

No, she didn't do this. The way it is different has everything to do with the level of aggression and responsibility. It may seem like a minor difference, but it is not. "Nothing Compared 2 U" was a naked vulnerable bereft woman. "Wrecking Ball" is a naked aggressively sexual woman taking full responsibility for her part in ending a destructive relationship. The dialogue is different, the imagery is different, the only similarity is a naked woman.

[AFK]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

Sinead's version was more vulnerability = sexy and/or avant garde. Miley's is more I don't care what you think is sexy or proper because this is what I think of your whole stupid system of how various types of women should be portrayed in media.

ETA: Maybe not quite that but along the lines of "This unspoken code of what I must do to be acceptably successful and famous is bullshit, I'm going to do it this way and watch you all squirm."

But she seems to be going along with the unspoken code of doing something "controversial" to get eyeballs and go viral.  To me, this is her just milking the current pop paradigm for all it's worth, granted doing it very well.  I really don't see how she is really rebelling against anything.  Seems like going with the flow to me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pop_star

Ugh.

I hate how condescending it is. I hate the "she's just a product" mentality that gets applied to female pop stars, while male ones are assumed to have creative control and responsibility for their work.

All, pop stars are products.  Everyone knows the "boy bands" were completely contrived and packaged.


Fuck, it applies to rock bands too.  Black Sabbath only got all spooky and gloomy when they figured out it would sell records.  Before that they were just a hippy, blues band.  Same with Judas Priest. 


I dunno, what if it's spot on though?  Miley Cyrus has been a packaged product for most of her career.  This would be pretty much par for the course in that regard.  Not because she's a girl, because she's pop.  That's what record companies do with pop, to make it pop-ular.

I've already addressed this. She is a product of marketing, and she is doing her own marketing. She is her own product. The ultimate responsibility for her art still lies with her, no matter how much people try to make her a possession of men.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sinead O'Connor did this in the late 80's.  "Nothing Compares to You." 


Just her in the video, "naked" and raw emotionally.   


And it grabbed people by the throats.


So it isn't new.  Miley, or someone, just had to dress it up more to get attention because it is the era we are in.

Sinead's version was more vulnerability = sexy and/or avant garde. Miley's is more I don't care what you think is sexy or proper because this is what I think of your whole stupid system of how various types of women should be portrayed in media.

ETA: Maybe not quite that but along the lines of "This unspoken code of what I must do to be acceptably successful and famous is bullshit, I'm going to do it this way and watch you all squirm."

Yep. And that's what's getting so much pushback from people.