Apparently christianity is bullshit...

[Dildo Argentino]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

Weeeell, he did die for a couple-tree days, didn't he? I like your line of reasoning a lot though.... I usually just say I've already joined a fishing club.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

Try it on a Nazarene.  They'll just listen to your opinion, perhaps politely disagree, then move on with their day.

[P3nT4gR4m]

What the fuck is a Nazarene and how do you make them froth with rage? 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

NP.

Shit like this has been coming up A LOT lately, because there's a good deal of atheists that want to prove a point. The problem is that they aren't historians, they're armchair librarians and archaeologists looking for conspiracy theories on the internet to build their argument, and it's killing them. I'm not saying this guy has no historian background, but the fact that he is willing to cite online forums over solid sources alone is a pretty shitty practice. My professors would have shot me.

Yet another reason I don't really want to associate myself with Atheist groups. There's too much crazy and shysterism going on there.

The wonderful world of "Skeptics" is also, sadly, getting sketchier and sketchier all the time.

[hooplala]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

If anyone really died for our sins, it was Judas.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

NP.

Shit like this has been coming up A LOT lately, because there's a good deal of atheists that want to prove a point. The problem is that they aren't historians, they're armchair librarians and archaeologists looking for conspiracy theories on the internet to build their argument, and it's killing them. I'm not saying this guy has no historian background, but the fact that he is willing to cite online forums over solid sources alone is a pretty shitty practice. My professors would have shot me.

Yet another reason I don't really want to associate myself with Atheist groups. There's too much crazy and shysterism going on there.

The wonderful world of "Skeptics" is also, sadly, getting sketchier and sketchier all the time.

It's just another blanket to crawl under for fart-huffing, IMO. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

If anyone really died for our sins, it was Judas.

If anyone "died for our sins" then god is basically admitting to accepting human sacrifice as a bribe. So basically he's Quetzalcoatl with a beard instead of feathers

[hooplala]

NP.

Shit like this has been coming up A LOT lately, because there's a good deal of atheists that want to prove a point. The problem is that they aren't historians, they're armchair librarians and archaeologists looking for conspiracy theories on the internet to build their argument, and it's killing them. I'm not saying this guy has no historian background, but the fact that he is willing to cite online forums over solid sources alone is a pretty shitty practice. My professors would have shot me.

Yet another reason I don't really want to associate myself with Atheist groups. There's too much crazy and shysterism going on there.

The wonderful world of "Skeptics" is also, sadly, getting sketchier and sketchier all the time.

The majority of so-called skeptics are actually pseudo-skeptics.  I prefer zeteticism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Truzzi#Pseudoskepticism

[LMNO]

If anyone "died for our sins" then god is basically admitting to accepting human sacrifice as a bribe. So basically he's Quetzalcoatl with a beard instead of feathers

I am now picturing the Abrahamic God with a beard made of feathers.

[hooplala]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

If anyone really died for our sins, it was Judas.

If anyone "died for our sins" then god is basically admitting to accepting human sacrifice as a bribe. So basically he's Quetzalcoatl with a beard instead of feathers

In which case, what he did with Judas is even worse.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What the fuck is a Nazarene and how do you make them froth with rage? 

Nazarenes are a small sect, mostly in the American Southwest, who try to actually do what Jesus said.  They don't get mad, as far as I can tell.  The don't preach, they lead by example.  They consider hating ANYONE to be a sin.  They don't believe it's their place to get in your business.

I like 'em.  I had one for a neighbor for 2 years, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.  My daughter and I checked out their church, and the pastor was giving them shit about charity on a day-to-day level.

Sermon drifted from there, but ended with "You can't hate and still be a Christian".

[hooplala]

What the fuck is a Nazarene and how do you make them froth with rage? 

Nazarenes are a small sect, mostly in the American Southwest, who try to actually do what Jesus said.  They don't get mad, as far as I can tell.  The don't preach, they lead by example.  They consider hating ANYONE to be a sin.  They don't believe it's their place to get in your business.

I like 'em.  I had one for a neighbor for 2 years, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.  My daughter and I checked out their church, and the pastor was giving them shit about charity on a day-to-day level.

Sermon drifted from there, but ended with "You can't hate and still be a Christian".

Ah, so there are genuine christians then... that's somehow refreshing to know.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What the fuck is a Nazarene and how do you make them froth with rage? 

Nazarenes are a small sect, mostly in the American Southwest, who try to actually do what Jesus said.  They don't get mad, as far as I can tell.  The don't preach, they lead by example.  They consider hating ANYONE to be a sin.  They don't believe it's their place to get in your business.

I like 'em.  I had one for a neighbor for 2 years, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.  My daughter and I checked out their church, and the pastor was giving them shit about charity on a day-to-day level.

Sermon drifted from there, but ended with "You can't hate and still be a Christian".

Ah, so there are genuine christians then... that's somehow refreshing to know.

They are considered an aberration in America.  EVERYONE hates their ass.   

[P3nT4gR4m]

If Jesus ever came back, the WBC would set fire to his hippy-ass

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If you like that, you might like the main hook I've been using to bait christians with for years. It's best applied at the "tipping point" where they're starting to really lose their shit at you.

The great big, glaringly obvious logical fallacy - "Jesus died for our sins"

Thing is, Jesus never actually died. Given that Jesus was just an avatar for god, who is all powerful and blessed with cheat-code superpowers including infinite lives cheat and seeing into the future hack

So god sent himself to earth, knowing he was going to get nailed. He basically committed consequence-free suicide (consequence-free in that he didn't actually die for real) in order to balance the books on humanities wickedness. Who's books? Oh, yeah, that's right - his own books. So all he really had to do was write it off in the ledger and save himself all that passive aggressive grandstanding. I mean, he'd already chucked the rulebook out the window when he did the walking on water gag or when he got everyone drunk at the H2O kegger party so why did he have to do something totally fucking meaningless to scrub the sins score?

In my experience there is no more effective way to get a christian to throw a punch at you.

That's only true for the Christian sects that accept the Trinity specifically as Jesus = God. There are a number of different interpretations on this idea though. For example, when Jesus was baptized, he was in the water, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit was in the air in the form of a Dove and God's voice came from Heaven "This is my Son, The Beloved". So there are a number of interpretations which indicate that either they are equal but different, completely different or 3 different apsects of a whole.

JW's for example, don't accept the Trinity doctrine at all. They believe that there is God (Jehovah/YHVH), the first being created by God ("The Word"/"Michael"/"Jesus"), and God's Active Force (the Holy Spirit). In their view, Jesus came to earth as a perfect man (not born of man, thus not born of sin). This perfect man had no reason to die (death is the wage of sin, no death/no sin).

Now this is where you get into the whole type/anti-type thing. In the Mosaic Law, every Jew had to follow the law perfectly. This was, of course, not possible since they were all human and thus sinners. When they sinned, they had to offer blood to cover the sacrifice. The blood of doves, goats, sheep, cows etc based on the severity of the sin. However, since this was animal blood, it had to be offered again and again because animal blood isn't equal to human blood.

With Jesus, we have a perfect man who perfectly fulfilled the Mosaic Law and then was sacrificed. His perfect blood, was therefore a perfect ransom. Sin came through a perfect man (Adam) and only the blood of a perfect man (Jesus) could pay that price.

The Resurrection of Jesus, was not a resurrection of his flesh and blood. It was, instead a resurrection of his spirit, which explains why he could fuck with the Apostles afterward in a David Blane kind of way.

Ironically, JW's tend to use the same tactics against Christians that Atheists do... they tear apart the obvious bullshit. However, they tend to replace it with slightly less obvious or more convoluted BS which works really well for converting some kinds of people.

Its pretty easy to use the bible to prove that the Christian idea of Hell is not supported by the Bible. Instead of this being proof that the whole thing is BS, they use it as proof that the other versions of Christianity are BS.

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