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A Proposal to Classify Happiness as a Psychiatric Disorder by Richard P. Benta

Started by Bu🤠ns, October 22, 2013, 02:53:12 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

Thread is now in a state of morbidity.

Family members are being notified.
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Lord Cataplanga

Quote from: Kai on October 22, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
Marginally relevant to the OP: A literary critique of DSM-5 by American Psychiatric Association. http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/book-of-lamentations/

Jesus Christ  :eek:
This made me actually want to read the DSM

Golden Applesauce

Quote from: Bu☆ns on October 22, 2013, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: Kai on October 22, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
Marginally relevant to the OP: A literary critique of DSM-5 by American Psychiatric Association. http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/book-of-lamentations/

Thanks, Kai!  That's relevant to  my interests :)

Also thanks! Great find.
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Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
The Discordian may agree with the Taoist but add, as an aside, that madness is just too much fun to dispense with...


Would he/she?  Do you really think so?  Seriously?

I thought the whole post was lame.
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Golden Applesauce

Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: Demolition Squid on October 22, 2013, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
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Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
The Discordian may agree with the Taoist but add, as an aside, that madness is just too much fun to dispense with...


Would he/she?  Do you really think so?  Seriously?

I guess I do. Yes.

But I certainly don't mean madness in the sense of mental illness (I agree that's no laughing matter at all). I mean it in the sense that a Buddhist may call happiness madness with a big grin on his face.


So once a fucking gain it is you ascribing random meanings to words and expecting everyone else to intuit what you mean.

Well, there's no doubt that's an Authentic Holist post alright.

Well, this is just from a free online dictionary:

1. The quality or condition of being insane. See Synonyms at insanity.
2. Great folly: It was sheer madness to attempt the drive during a blizzard.
3. Fury; rage.
4. Enthusiasm; excitement.

And I did lead with that story...

A cool thing about English is that words can have more than one meaning, and that humans are capable of teasing out which of the many possible meanings is intended based on context.

In this particular case, the Subject line of the op ("opening post", though in other contexts it can mean "operation" or "overpowered") was "A Proposal to Classify Happiness as a Psychiatric Disorder by Richard P. Benta". The key words are "Psychiatric Disorder," which signal to the humans involved in the discussion that should favor medical and psychiatric meanings of words. "Needle" would be probably be taken to mean a syringe, not the pointer on an analog radio. "Madness" is interpreted the same way, as a serious psychiatric condition, and would not be understood as folly or rage or enthusiasm unless a participant extensively reframed the discussion to allow that to happen - in which case it would be easier to start a new discussion with a new Subject line.
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Quote from: Demolition Squid on October 22, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
I'm just glad she's keeping up the fine tradition of asserting her age and real life status to belittle those who disagree with her rather than providing a substantive rebuttal to whatever points they are making.

For a 'mental health professional' who has been a part of this community for so long, it is amazing how she has failed to learn how the people here are likely to react.

This.

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Telarus

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 22, 2013, 11:50:26 PM
A cool thing about English is that words can have more than one meaning, and that humans are capable of teasing out which of the many possible meanings is intended based on context.

In this particular case, the Subject line of the op ("opening post", though in other contexts it can mean "operation" or "overpowered") was "A Proposal to Classify Happiness as a Psychiatric Disorder by Richard P. Benta". The key words are "Psychiatric Disorder," which signal to the humans involved in the discussion that should favor medical and psychiatric meanings of words. "Needle" would be probably be taken to mean a syringe, not the pointer on an analog radio. "Madness" is interpreted the same way, as a serious psychiatric condition, and would not be understood as folly or rage or enthusiasm unless a participant extensively reframed the discussion to allow that to happen - in which case it would be easier to start a new discussion with a new Subject line.

Yes.

Words do not have inherent meanings, and do not carry all of their meanings at once (even tho the dictionary lists them like that). It's all about the context.
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Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2013, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on October 22, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
:lulz: 

Apparently they also share the same symptoms of an orgasm:

Dull headache
Weakness
Dizziness

Nausea
Vomiting
Shortness of breath
Confusion
Blurred vision

Loss of consciousness

If any of those occurred when I was orgasming I'd see a doctor immediately.

Seriously? None of those? You got shipped a faulty orgasm unit.


No.

Weakness? Um, usually my whole body is in a state of profound muscular tension at the moment of orgasm, so no.

Dizziness? Not as I am familiar with dizziness, which is a sickening spinning light-headedness.

Maybe you're confusing increased breath rate with shortness of breath? One is what it feels like when you're in a heightened state of arousal, and the other is what it feels like when you have asthma.

Confusion? No, I'm pretty clear on what's happening when I'm having an orgasm; I don't find anything "confusing" per se.

Blurred vision WTF no. That should not happen.

Pretty sure my orgasms work just fine. I just wouldn't use the language of pathology to describe the sensations I experience during them. :lol:

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The Good Reverend Roger

I trust there IS opera singing involved.  Because it's just not sex without opera singing.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 22, 2013, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: Demolition Squid on October 22, 2013, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: holist on October 22, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
The Discordian may agree with the Taoist but add, as an aside, that madness is just too much fun to dispense with...


Would he/she?  Do you really think so?  Seriously?

I guess I do. Yes.

But I certainly don't mean madness in the sense of mental illness (I agree that's no laughing matter at all). I mean it in the sense that a Buddhist may call happiness madness with a big grin on his face.


So once a fucking gain it is you ascribing random meanings to words and expecting everyone else to intuit what you mean.

Well, there's no doubt that's an Authentic Holist post alright.

Well, this is just from a free online dictionary:

1. The quality or condition of being insane. See Synonyms at insanity.
2. Great folly: It was sheer madness to attempt the drive during a blizzard.
3. Fury; rage.
4. Enthusiasm; excitement.

And I did lead with that story...

A cool thing about English is that words can have more than one meaning, and that humans are capable of teasing out which of the many possible meanings is intended based on context.

In this particular case, the Subject line of the op ("opening post", though in other contexts it can mean "operation" or "overpowered") was "A Proposal to Classify Happiness as a Psychiatric Disorder by Richard P. Benta". The key words are "Psychiatric Disorder," which signal to the humans involved in the discussion that should favor medical and psychiatric meanings of words. "Needle" would be probably be taken to mean a syringe, not the pointer on an analog radio. "Madness" is interpreted the same way, as a serious psychiatric condition, and would not be understood as folly or rage or enthusiasm unless a participant extensively reframed the discussion to allow that to happen - in which case it would be easier to start a new discussion with a new Subject line.

And here I was, thinking you were talking about the Second-Wave Ska band.


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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 03:42:06 AM
I trust there IS opera singing involved.  Because it's just not sex without opera singing.

No, I get 15 dwarves playing trumpet and a dancing elephant seal. Don't you? If you don't, you are most certainly missing out and/or your sex parts are defective.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Don Coyote

Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 04:22:26 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 03:42:06 AM
I trust there IS opera singing involved.  Because it's just not sex without opera singing.

No, I get 15 dwarves playing trumpet and a dancing elephant seal. Don't you? If you don't, you are most certainly missing out and/or your sex parts are defective.

There is actually a city ordinance forbidding I perform certain acts on account of something involving the ley lines being crossed and tentacles not being cool when they are crawling out holes to nothing. But on the bright side my neighbors stopped bugging me.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Bu☆ns on October 22, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
:lulz: 

Apparently they also share the same symptoms of an orgasm:

Dull headache
Weakness
Dizziness
Nausea
Vomiting
Shortness of breath
Confusion
Blurred vision
Loss of consciousness

Oddly enough, these are also symptoms of VX nerve agent.
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Bu🤠ns


The Johnny


I read Bentall's interview, and what he spoke of still seems to be happenning today.

Sometimes I feel pity for the good psychiatrists that actually sit down for an hour to listen to their patients, trying to be emphatetic and understand their problems beyond the alleged purely "chemical disfunction"... the problem with it is that they dont have the training to do it properly, so they end up burning out reaaaally fast and hard and develop some nasty issues themselves.

They're in a really difficult situation, to be able to exersice as and have the title of psychiatrist, youre an ultra specialist, that commited in time, money and energy to practice in a certain manner, so it isnt shocking they want to treat everything from the perspective theyre invested in, in detriment to what is needed in each case.

On any regular day id take a bachelor level psychologist over a specialized psychiatrist - but a psychiatrist that has actually delved into and trained in some kind of psychotherapy is truly a grandiose character.
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