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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, October 23, 2013, 04:56:21 PM

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tyrannosaurus vex

#225
October 24, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 07:07:45 PM
I am a JACKASS.

I do not feel insecure.

Now, look at that.  I have argued against Nigel's point, yet I have not told her what a BAD PERSON she is, and how I CAN'T EVER RESPECT HER AGAIN, because YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP AND/OR CORRESPONDENCE do not stack up against ONE THING THAT IRRITATED MY JOHNSON.

I am doing it wrong.  :(

Not every disagreement with Nigel equates to male privilege looking to settle some kind of genital-mismatch issue. It's kind of getting old that every argument with Nigel is, usually sooner than later, portrayed that way.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#226
October 24, 2013, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 24, 2013, 07:08:12 PM
Here's what I've got :

So initially Nigel made a sweeping generalization about atheists and this was upsetting because it has been established that sweeping generalizations are bad.

SOME sweeping generalizations are bad.  Others are "not an issue", or "not worth commenting on."

QuotePeople took offense to being lumped together with others with similar beliefs who abuse that belief in the name of smugness and idiocy as a mask for insecurity.

People saw a chance to show their big red asses.  I know *I* did.

QuoteInstead of adhering to the pre-established agreement that sweeping generalizations are bad, Nigel appeared to double-down.

How bloody Nigel of her.  I CAN NEVER RESPECT HER AGAIN!  UNNNNG!

QuoteNow instead of examining Nigel's statements and their own responses, there is much flailing and rending of garments.

And I just BOUGHT these pants.

QuoteSo was it actually a sweeping generalization?

BIG

RED

ASS

QuoteIs it a sweeping generalization worth tons of butthurt if other sweeping generalizations regarding people with the opposite-ish belief structures are mocked freely?

THAT'S DIFFERENT.  :crankey:

QuoteWhere is the separation between butthurt and critical thought?

IN MY ASS.  MY OVERHEATED, ENFLAMED ASS.  IT BURNS, CPD.  IT BURNS REAL BAD.

QuoteWhen should someone rephrase what they're saying to better present an idea?

When the hurdy gurdy's done, and the butthurt's lost and won.

QuoteWhen should someone rethink their emotional response before typing?

Terrorist-kisser.

QuoteAt what temperature does butthurt taffy melt into frothy rage soup?

At precisely yesterday.

Quote
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QUIT DEFLECTING!  MY ASS NEEDS TO VENT!  IT CAN'T HOLD THIS KIND OF PRESSURE.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#227
October 24, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: V3X on October 24, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 07:07:45 PM
I am a JACKASS.

I do not feel insecure.

Now, look at that.  I have argued against Nigel's point, yet I have not told her what a BAD PERSON she is, and how I CAN'T EVER RESPECT HER AGAIN, because YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP AND/OR CORRESPONDENCE do not stack up against ONE THING THAT IRRITATED MY JOHNSON.

I am doing it wrong.  :(

Not every disagreement with Nigel equates to male privilege looking to settle some kind of genital-mismatch issue. It's kind of getting old that every argument with Nigel is, usually sooner than later, portrayed that way.

Sure.  And I notice that everyone here had the same disagreement with P3NT.

Oh, wait.  My bad, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT because IT WASN'T REALLY AN ISSUE and HE DIDN'T MEAN EVERYONE.  JUST THE BAD ONES.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

#228
October 24, 2013, 07:15:37 PM
I am kinda irritated that I missed this other thread where P3nt was on a 'faithfool' roll.
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tyrannosaurus vex

#229
October 24, 2013, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: V3X on October 24, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 07:07:45 PM
I am a JACKASS.

I do not feel insecure.

Now, look at that.  I have argued against Nigel's point, yet I have not told her what a BAD PERSON she is, and how I CAN'T EVER RESPECT HER AGAIN, because YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP AND/OR CORRESPONDENCE do not stack up against ONE THING THAT IRRITATED MY JOHNSON.

I am doing it wrong.  :(

Not every disagreement with Nigel equates to male privilege looking to settle some kind of genital-mismatch issue. It's kind of getting old that every argument with Nigel is, usually sooner than later, portrayed that way.

Sure.  And I notice that everyone here had the same disagreement with P3NT.

Oh, wait.  My bad, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT because IT WASN'T REALLY AN ISSUE and HE DIDN'T MEAN EVERYONE.  JUST THE BAD ONES.

I doubt penis has much to do with this. It's probably more related to the general atmosphere at PD which -- even after years and years of pretending to be the only place on the internet that gets it RIGHT -- still has that flavor of being "better-educated than average and atheist in practice if not in name." As such it's going to be filled with people who give attacks from atheists a lot more leeway than attacks on atheists. I mean, unless this is a "general human nature-free zone."

I'm not saying it's right (it certainly isn't). It is a bias, but it's also not automatically clear that it is a gender bias.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#230
October 24, 2013, 07:18:47 PM
I've been comparing the two sweeping generalizations, and I came up with the following differences.

1.  P3NT wrote one, Nigel wrote the other.
2.  One bashed beleivers, the other atheists.

Now, let's unpack that a little.

P3NT is a guy.
P3NT lives in Scotland.

vs

Nigel is a woman.
Nigel lives in Portland.

and

Atheism
Theism.

So, the two are apparently different.  There are 3 potential differences:

Male vs female
Scotland vs Portland
Atheism vs Theism.

ONE or MORE of those three reasons makes what P3NT said "not an issue".  We just have to determine which of the three it is, and we'll know where Nigel went wrong.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

#231
October 24, 2013, 07:23:03 PM
Thread is i understand it lmno-
Nigel makes statement about antitheists
Refers to them broadly as atheist to make a point about the acceptability of making generalizations about theists and that atheists wont stick up for theists as much as atheists. I think. And or that antitheists feel the need to be antireligion due to their own insecurities on their atheism. I dont see where privilege comes in unless that privilege happens to be the social acceptability of being antireligion since that isnt a province specific to atheism which still carries social stigma.
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#232
October 24, 2013, 07:25:46 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#233
October 24, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
Can we add "P3nt is widely known for being a jackass, and Nigel is known for being a nuanced thinker"?

Because on the outset, my gut reaction was that Nigel's OP felt more shocking than P3nts, in part because of this.

But to be perfectly honest, I probably have a pro-atheist (small "a", not Asshole-Atheist) bias. 






[EDIT] Apologies to P3nt, but dude.  Sometimes you can be a real jackass.

The Good Reverend Roger

#234
October 24, 2013, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 24, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
Can we add "P3nt is widely known for being a jackass, and Nigel is known for being a nuanced thinker"?

Because on the outset, my gut reaction was that Nigel's OP felt more shocking than P3nts, in part because of this.

But to be perfectly honest, I probably have a pro-atheist (small "a", not Asshole-Atheist) bias. 


[EDIT] Apologies to P3nt, but dude.  Sometimes you can be a real jackass.

Well, I can only speak for myself, here.

With regard to the privilege thing, I am less than a human being because I am not an atheist.  I know this because slurs against me are "not an issue" or "aren't that big of a deal" because, well, because.

But slurs against atheists are very much an issue, to the point of AW GAWD I CAN NEVER RESPECT NIGEL AGAIN.

The message is VERY clear:  I am not equal to an atheist in the eyes of most of this board.

And THAT is where the fucking privilege is.  It may be hard to see.  It usually is, when you're not on the shitty end of the stick.

DOUR,
Second Class Discordian.



" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

#235
October 24, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
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The Good Reverend Roger

#236
October 24, 2013, 07:41:21 PM
*ahem*

CISHET MAN TEARS

See, that's okay, because it makes fun of the privileged group.  It's totally not bigotry, right? 

Oh, wait, you're right.  It is.  But it's TOTALLY different than THIS situation, right?  RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT?

So standing by while P3NT makes slurs against ME is okay, but YOU CAN NEVER RESPECT NIGEL AGAIN...Well, that carries a bit of a message, doesn't it?  It IMPLIES certain things.

It implies that I am not a fucking equal human being.  I belong on the back of the fucking bus.

Fuck you all.  In your Goddamn tonsils.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

East Coast Hustle

#237
October 24, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
I would like everyone to go down to Or Kill Me, and read Kai's essay on arguing like a German.

That's all well and good, but this ain't Germany and being a prick and then saying "oh, I was just using the German method" is still being a prick.
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#238
October 24, 2013, 07:53:15 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on October 24, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 24, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
I would like everyone to go down to Or Kill Me, and read Kai's essay on arguing like a German.

That's all well and good, but this ain't Germany and being a prick and then saying "oh, I was just using the German method" is still being a prick.

Yeah, I thought about that 30 seconds after I hit "post", but left it as is, because this thread may be a great many things, but one thing it ISN'T is rational.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#239
October 24, 2013, 07:55:24 PM
Back shortly.  Going to see if I can fit a torque wrench in my ass.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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