Suu, your Facebook friends are retards.

[Suu]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/attorneys-brain-dead-womans-fetus-abnormal-21630077

"According to the medical records we have been provided, the fetus is distinctly abnormal," the attorneys said. "Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."

The attorneys said the fetus also has fluid building up inside the skull and possibly has a heart problem.

*sigh*

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/attorneys-brain-dead-womans-fetus-abnormal-21630077

"According to the medical records we have been provided, the fetus is distinctly abnormal," the attorneys said. "Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."

The attorneys said the fetus also has fluid building up inside the skull and possibly has a heart problem.

*sigh*

[Left]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/attorneys-brain-dead-womans-fetus-abnormal-21630077

"According to the medical records we have been provided, the fetus is distinctly abnormal," the attorneys said. "Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."

The attorneys said the fetus also has fluid building up inside the skull and possibly has a heart problem.

*sigh*

...   Fuck. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Just for clarity, I wanted to mention that when we talk about viability in a fetus, it refers to the ability of the fetus to be born and survive. This is different from viability of a pregnancy, which is ability of the pregnancy to be carried to term.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Okay, based both on new information and also on re-examination of what I had been thinking earlier, I am going to say I was wrong about this situation.

My principle objection was that the idea of anyone other than a pregnant woman making the decision (as to whether or not a fetus is a baby or a mass of cells) is repugnant, as it opens the door to that decision being taken from her in other situations.  However, it now occurs to me that the decision has already been taken from her by the state, given that they refused to allow the DNR, thus making the decision as the state that the fetus was a baby.

My secondary objection, and probably the one I am still most concerned about, is the pro-choice crowd bringing up the term "viability", since that is something the anti-abortion people have been trying to get a wedge into for years...ie, once viability is allowed to become an issue, it will be used to attack the availability of abortions in any cases that could even be MAYBE "viable".  "Late term abortions", etc, which are exceedingly rare and which only occur when necessary.  However, in this particular case, it appears the baby isn't viable by ANY definition, and all that is left is a horror show.

No exaggeration, there.  Hammer couldn't produce a nightmare like this, even if he'd had access to modern drugs.  Here's this guy, with a zombie wife that can't be allowed to die because the corpse is producing a mutated, zombie baby that will probably be stillborn and has precisely zero chance to survive even if it isn't.  It's like the heroine's death scene in a movie, only it lasts 5 months.

I am not, however, going back on the title, because even if I was wrong, the two people I spoke to in Suu's thread are still in fact retards based on their arguments.  It's just that I was retarded, too.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

While the particulars may have been incorrect, I think your instincts were spot on.
Texas will find a way to do ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP SHIT WITH THIS.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

Well, if Pathfinder has taught me anything, its that this baby, if it''s born and survives, will be a level one Sorceror with the Undead bloodline. Eris help us all

[Junkenstein]

Okay, based both on new information and also on re-examination of what I had been thinking earlier, I am going to say I was wrong about this situation.(1!)

My principle objection(2!) was that the idea of anyone other than a pregnant woman making the decision (as to whether or not a fetus is a baby or a mass of cells) is repugnant, as it opens the door to that decision being taken from her in other situations.  However, it now occurs to me that the decision has already been taken from her by the state, given that they refused to allow the DNR, thus making the decision as the state that the fetus was a baby.

My secondary objection, and probably the one I am still most concerned about, is the pro-choice crowd bringing up the term "viability", since that is something the anti-abortion people have been trying to get a wedge into for years...ie, once viability is allowed to become an issue, it will be used to attack the availability of abortions in any cases that could even be MAYBE "viable".  "Late term abortions", etc, which are exceedingly rare and which only occur when necessary.  However, in this particular case, it appears the baby isn't viable by ANY definition, and all that is left is a horror show.(3!)

No exaggeration, there.  Hammer couldn't produce a nightmare like this, even if he'd had access to modern drugs.  Here's this guy, with a zombie wife that can't be allowed to die because the corpse is producing a mutated, zombie baby that will probably be stillborn and has precisely zero chance to survive even if it isn't.  It's like the heroine's death scene in a movie, only it lasts 5 months.

I am not, however, going back on the title, because even if I was wrong, the two people I spoke to in Suu's thread are still in fact retards based on their arguments.(4!)  It's just that I was retarded, too.(5!)

PEOPLE.

We are going to take a minute and observe what Roger has shown us here. He is A Holy Man, and I shall make these points for the ages to remind you fucking clowns how to use the lump of fat above your neck. Ask yourselves, How many things has Roger done right here? Lets count!

1 - Roger has thought about a situation and not ran off under the blanket to huff farts. Additionally, Roger has gathered new information which caused further re-assessment. Roger is an advanced pupil so these are often two separate longer steps involving much "What the fuck" and "Why the fuck" with added "Who the fuck". Roger has developed sophisticated research skills to aid him in this endeavour, such as Google and Wikipedia. These skills can take decades to master which is why only the internet elite actually know anything at all because we've been using it prior to it's creation. That's an advantage you'll never have, it's just one of the benefits of living in eternal Tucson.

2 - Roger has identified the main source of his concerns and made it clear this is not his only concern on a multifaceted issue. This demonstrates understanding of nuance and reason.

3 - In finishing his secondary objection, Roger here acknowledges and anticipates likely consequences. This leaves Roger open to further information to reassess his opinion on further similar situations.

4 - While aspects of Rogers opinion have changed, his initial opinion and reasons have not. This is also perfectly valid. Thinking about something does not automatically mandate a change in stance, nor, necessarily will new information warrant it either. This is HIGHLY MOTHERFUCKING ADVANCED and you better be damn sure you're right.

5 - Most importantly, Roger has understood he may have been incorrect and acting ookishly. This is how we tell the people who can actually walk upright and think. Take note.

That is all.

[Left]

  However, it now occurs to me that the decision has already been taken from her by the state, given that they refused to allow the DNR, thus making the decision as the state that the fetus was a baby.

Precisely so, and this is very scary.

[Left]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25889728

A Texas judge has ordered a hospital to remove the life support of a brain-dead woman being kept alive because she is pregnant.
Judge RH Wallace gave John Peter Smith Hospital until Monday evening to cease life-saving measures for Marlise Munoz.
Mrs Munoz, 33, was 14 weeks pregnant when she fell unconscious in November. It is believed she had a blood clot.
The hospital had argued that a state law prohibits denying life-saving treatment to pregnant patients.

'Legally dead'
Mrs Munoz's husband, Erick, filed suit against the hospital on 14 January, arguing that life-support efforts go against her wishes as a paramedic familiar with end-of-life issues.
"Marlise Munoz is legally dead, and to further conduct surgical procedures on a deceased body is nothing short of outrageous," he claimed in court documents.
The court filing also stipulated that, as Mrs Munoz is technically deceased, "she cannot possibly be a 'pregnant patient'" under Texas health and safety codes.

Mrs Munoz, 33, has remained unconscious since her husband discovered her on the kitchen floor on 26 November while pregnant with the couple's second child.
A blood clot has been listed as a possible cause.
Mr Munoz's lawyers subsequently revealed that Mrs Munoz's foetus - believed to be at 22 weeks gestation and to have been without oxygen for some time before medical intervention in November - was "distinctly abnormal", according to hospital medical records.

On Friday, Judge Wallace ruled the Fort Worth hospital must remove Mrs Munoz's life support by 17:00 local time (23:00 GMT) on Monday.

Let's hope some jackass doesn't make some sort of emergency legal appeal.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25889728

A Texas judge has ordered a hospital to remove the life support of a brain-dead woman being kept alive because she is pregnant.
Judge RH Wallace gave John Peter Smith Hospital until Monday evening to cease life-saving measures for Marlise Munoz.
Mrs Munoz, 33, was 14 weeks pregnant when she fell unconscious in November. It is believed she had a blood clot.
The hospital had argued that a state law prohibits denying life-saving treatment to pregnant patients.

'Legally dead'
Mrs Munoz's husband, Erick, filed suit against the hospital on 14 January, arguing that life-support efforts go against her wishes as a paramedic familiar with end-of-life issues.
"Marlise Munoz is legally dead, and to further conduct surgical procedures on a deceased body is nothing short of outrageous," he claimed in court documents.
The court filing also stipulated that, as Mrs Munoz is technically deceased, "she cannot possibly be a 'pregnant patient'" under Texas health and safety codes.

Mrs Munoz, 33, has remained unconscious since her husband discovered her on the kitchen floor on 26 November while pregnant with the couple's second child.
A blood clot has been listed as a possible cause.
Mr Munoz's lawyers subsequently revealed that Mrs Munoz's foetus - believed to be at 22 weeks gestation and to have been without oxygen for some time before medical intervention in November - was "distinctly abnormal", according to hospital medical records.

On Friday, Judge Wallace ruled the Fort Worth hospital must remove Mrs Munoz's life support by 17:00 local time (23:00 GMT) on Monday.

Let's hope some jackass doesn't make some sort of emergency legal appeal.

The way that's worded, they can do it NOW before some jackass does exactly that.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sanity prevails.

[Bu🤠ns]

So like....basically...it was all because a hospital was freaked the fuck out about getting a lawsuit and doing everything by the book.  Isn't there a sort of regular habit of hospitals and medical facilities getting plagued with lawsuits for iatrogenesis?  I kind of can't really blame them, really.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

So like....basically...it was all because a hospital was freaked the fuck out about getting a lawsuit and doing everything by the book.  Isn't there a sort of regular habit of hospitals and medical facilities getting plagued with lawsuits for iatrogenesis?  I kind of can't really blame them, really.

No. No, it wasn't because of that. 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/marlise-munoz-s-life-support-removal-order-mulled-by-hospital-1.2511425

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Burns: It's hard to explain Texas. There's just no words that convey how fucked up it is here, you have to spend some time here interacting with the stupid motherfuckers.