Aya

[lavkian]

One of my claims to fame is that me and a bunch of folks bombarded him with cigarettes when he announced onstage, during the "smoker with attitude" tour, that he had given up. He was the only one in the theatre that knew he was dying of cancer at the time. 

I've always wondered how hard that pill was to swallow given his "I'm a non-smoker" bit.

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Surely any alternative would be the equivalent of sitting in our own filth, throwing our hands up, and collectively saying 'welp, we can't possibly clean up all this mess, so lets just take another big dump in our pants and wallow around some more instead'. Or am I missing something?

Here's what you're missing: Dodo's head is crammed so far up his ass that his mouth and anus are actually on the same non-orientable plane like a fleshy Klein bottle that speaks in polished turds.

[hooplala]

 

[hooplala]

On the subject of which, it is extremely refreshing to read emerging philosophy, as opposed to the navelgazing disconnected ignorant bullshit that so often passes for philosophical thinking.

I'm not overly familiar with much emerging philosophy.  Can you recommend any?

[Cain]

THOMAS KUHN.

Since we're placing bets and all.

As an aside, I do think there is an argument to be made that certain popularizers of science are spectacularly uninterested in the philosophy behind science and unknowledgeable about it in general...but holist really isn't really the most credible person to make those arguments.

Those were both rather delicious blog posts, thank you.

No problem.  And yes.  I like classical philosophy, ancient Greeks, Aquina, Spinoza etc.  But after Nietzsche/Wittgenstein, it's mostly crap by second rate minds.  Pointlessly arcane or convoluted, with a specialist language set as bad as local government bureaucrats, with all the tonal delivery of Academic German.

I'll admit, I can't follow much of Bakker's arguments, but I can grasp the implications of Blind Brain Theory well enough (his fiction is of course somewhat helpful in this regard).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

On the subject of which, it is extremely refreshing to read emerging philosophy, as opposed to the navelgazing disconnected ignorant bullshit that so often passes for philosophical thinking.

I'm not overly familiar with much emerging philosophy.  Can you recommend any?

The links that Cain posted. Almost any new nonfiction that isn't shelved under philosophy, and a great deal that's shelved in science, which is a branch of philosophy. I've been reading Donella Meadows and Margaret Wheatley recently, along with Carol Tavris, Dan Ariely, Katherine Schultz. I've heard that Noam Chomsky is good, never read him though. David and Christine Franzen Orr (no idea whether they're related).

Cain is probably a better person to ask.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You could also check out Paul Glimcher, I wasn't that impressed but a lot of people are.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

"Now all it takes (which is quite a lot, really) is to think carefully and slowly about that situation to realise that the naive metaphysic embraced by the faithful of the Church of Science is unworkable," Dodo wrote, wisely, using a vast network of microprocessors to transmit his message globally in a matter of seconds.

I'm guessing he fancies himself a bit of a Philosopher. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am fascinated that for a person with no grasp on science and no apparent desire to form a grasp on it, he nonetheless is full of opinions about it.

[Cain]

On the subject of which, it is extremely refreshing to read emerging philosophy, as opposed to the navelgazing disconnected ignorant bullshit that so often passes for philosophical thinking.

I'm not overly familiar with much emerging philosophy.  Can you recommend any?

The links that Cain posted. Almost any new nonfiction that isn't shelved under philosophy, and a great deal that's shelved in science, which is a branch of philosophy. I've been reading Donella Meadows and Margaret Wheatley recently, along with Carol Tavris, Dan Ariely, Katherine Schultz. I've heard that Noam Chomsky is good, never read him though. David and Christine Franzen Orr (no idea whether they're related).

Cain is probably a better person to ask.

Eh, I don't read much modern philosophy to be honest.  I've not got that high an opinion of Chomsky either - his politics seem fundamentally decent, but he's hardly an inspired writer or thinker, though his linguistics stuff might be a bit more interesting (my understanding was that it was mostly considered obsolete, theory wise, at this point, but I've not read into it much).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I've noticed a definite trend, which is that Roger says something snarky to/about Holist, and Holist promptly attacks me. I just re-scanned the thread and I said not one single derogatory or dismissive thing in response to Holist. But Roger did, and Holist promptly turned nasty on both of us. I even recall cases where I wasn't arguing with Holist but Roger was, and Holist got ugly with me and didn't address Roger at all.

Funny, that. I'll have to start pointing it out when it happens.

Yes, do. It didn't happen this time, though.

Sure as fuck did.  Not once but twice.

It did not. And neither is it a mean streak. It is plain frustration. But I called her names and you names in the same breath, you defender of the faith, you.

You're a socially retarded shitheel with the internet equivalent of bad breath and bad manners.

You don't even have the basic human decency and maturity to address the fact that you dumped insults at me despite the fact that I wasn't even replying to you or your posts, I was talking to and about P3nt.

And now you go to that crown jewel of all shitheel excuses: "I was frustrated". Not "I was frustrated and I got mixed up, I'm sorry". Just "I was frustrated", as if that absolves you.

"Look what you MADE me do".

I'm all done trying to facilitate your inclusion on the board or replying to you as if you deserve to be conversed with as an adult.

Excellent! But perhaps you should hang on to your socks. I called you a woman with a constant need to justify yourself. Now that could be wrong, but I don't see how it is insulting. It's an opinion. I can have one, you know. In fact, I can have several. As far as screetching insults and digging in is concerned, perhaps take a peek in a mirror. Thanks for your valiant efforts aimed at "facilitating my fitting in", but I am glad you are stopping, because it wasn't helping. For someone who demands as much respect as you do, you have a foul temper.

That goddamn uppity woman just doesn't know her place!

I am certain that she does, very well. The problem is caused by the fact that she doesn't know my place, but she's totally convinced she does.

Oh, I know... expecting you to treat me with the same basic decency and respect I've been painstakingly treating you with despite your communication deficits was really just too much to ask of a man in your position.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Thanks for your valiant efforts aimed at "facilitating my fitting in", but I am glad you are stopping, because it wasn't helping.

It's my fault nobody likes him.

[Doktor Howl]

Thanks for your valiant efforts aimed at "facilitating my fitting in", but I am glad you are stopping, because it wasn't helping.

It's my fault nobody likes him.

[Doktor Howl]

I've noticed a definite trend, which is that Roger says something snarky to/about Holist, and Holist promptly attacks me. I just re-scanned the thread and I said not one single derogatory or dismissive thing in response to Holist. But Roger did, and Holist promptly turned nasty on both of us. I even recall cases where I wasn't arguing with Holist but Roger was, and Holist got ugly with me and didn't address Roger at all.

Funny, that. I'll have to start pointing it out when it happens.

Yes, do. It didn't happen this time, though.

Sure as fuck did.  Not once but twice.

It did not. And neither is it a mean streak. It is plain frustration. But I called her names and you names in the same breath, you defender of the faith, you.

You're a socially retarded shitheel with the internet equivalent of bad breath and bad manners.

You don't even have the basic human decency and maturity to address the fact that you dumped insults at me despite the fact that I wasn't even replying to you or your posts, I was talking to and about P3nt.

And now you go to that crown jewel of all shitheel excuses: "I was frustrated". Not "I was frustrated and I got mixed up, I'm sorry". Just "I was frustrated", as if that absolves you.

"Look what you MADE me do".

I'm all done trying to facilitate your inclusion on the board or replying to you as if you deserve to be conversed with as an adult.

Excellent! But perhaps you should hang on to your socks. I called you a woman with a constant need to justify yourself. Now that could be wrong, but I don't see how it is insulting. It's an opinion. I can have one, you know. In fact, I can have several. As far as screetching insults and digging in is concerned, perhaps take a peek in a mirror. Thanks for your valiant efforts aimed at "facilitating my fitting in", but I am glad you are stopping, because it wasn't helping. For someone who demands as much respect as you do, you have a foul temper.

That goddamn uppity woman just doesn't know her place!

I am certain that she does, very well. The problem is caused by the fact that she doesn't know my place, but she's totally convinced she does.

Your place being above her, because she doesn't think slowly enough about science?

Victory.  Thread very orver.

[LMNO]

Cain, would Yudkowski, Dennet, Alexander, et al be considered philosophy?