Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.

[MithridatesXXIII]

Two things. Where are you getting these bizzare delusions about Clinton's competence? Remember Bosnia? Libya? Yemen? Any of the other clusterfucks we are currently stuck in? Remember how well NAFTA turned out? And now she supports the TPP, NAFTA on steroids. Clinton's time in office is a history of horrible calls with disastrous consequences.

There are two things here. NAFTA, TPP and all of these things are in furtherance of a specific economic paradigm. If you want to debate that, you'd have to turn to what the economists say.

Saying you have a plan to make better deals is not a plan.  Even if you could wrangle better terms on specific deals, this doesn't help you if you don't position yourself to take advantage of the conditions of a future market. One which economists view as inevitable. And that's assuming Trump's ideas work as he intends them.

As to any given clusterfuck, I have zero confidence they could be managed any better by Trump. His comments on such situations, even with the benefit of hindsight,  are farcical.

Its weird you assume I think you should vote for Trump. Right now there is Jill Stein, who all of you hate for some reason because shes "anti-science" as opposed to Clinton who thinks that fracking backlash is a Russian conspiracy. Even if she didnt win, since Clinton is going to lose anyways her getting a big enough portion of the vote would help build the foundation for a campaign next election.

I don't buy that line about building a foundation of support or what have you, for the next race, election, etc. It's a tragedy of the commons, plain and simple. If it happens, it will happen all at once, like your little alt-right movement. Does this striving mirror what you claim about a Jill Stein vote? See the difference and see my point. What the numbers say will determine if your people go the way of the tea party.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

And now she supports the TPP, NAFTA on steroids. Clinton's time in office is a history of horrible calls with disastrous consequences.

That is indeed heinous, if only due to the TPP's IP provisions, but I still think your cure is worse than the disease. Especially for people more concerned with the economic end of things; Things run by Donald Trump tend to end up bankrupt, what do you think that will do to the economy?

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

The Protocols are required reading, Roger old boy. There is no more prophetic and insightful document if you want to understand the hidden forces and agendas that shape our world. In my experience, every jew of any influence is using it as a de facto playbook -- they being, wittingly or unwittingly, agents of the Dajjal and his program of total world subversion, inversion and perversion.

Al Dajjal huh? Know a lot about the Antichrist you say? All I see here is a rather silly anti-semite spreading stale nazi-era memes about something he doesn't actually understand and taking cred for things he doesn't have a right to.

You're the perfect dupe! I can see why RP likes you. You share certain common traits.

I haven't read it but it's probably worth reading if only because the people who forged it probably psychologically projected some of their own tricks onto the Jews. Like Hitler with the "Big lie". Much of it is likely actually the right-wing's playbook, cleverly and conveniently misattributed.

The Russian Aristocracy is behind the far right now?

No, it's just that a fake book first printed in Russia became a cornerstone of much of the Nazi the shit your head seems packed with to bursting.

EcoFascism is not National Socialism or anti-semetic.

No, but much of Trump's support base is. Or is in some other way racially or ethnically biased. They hold themselves above jews, arabs, and/or latinos because they can't get it into their head that their race and their traditions are just as bad and worthless as everybody else's.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

Two things. Where are you getting these bizzare delusions about Clinton's competence? Remember Bosnia? Libya? Yemen? Any of the other clusterfucks we are currently stuck in? Remember how well NAFTA turned out? And now she supports the TPP, NAFTA on steroids. Clinton's time in office is a history of horrible calls with disastrous consequences.

There are two things here. NAFTA, TPP and all of these things are in furtherance of a specific economic paradigm. If you want to debate that, you'd have to turn to what the economists say.

The holocaust is a furtherance of a specific racial paradigm. If you want to debate that, youd have to turn to what the eugenicists say.

I don't buy that line about building a foundation of support or what have you, for the next race, election, etc. It's a tragedy of the commons, plain and simple. If it happens, it will happen all at once, like your little alt-right movement. Does this striving mirror what you claim about a Jill Stein vote? See the difference and see my point. What the numbers say will determine if your people go the way of the tea party.

So because it isnt happening, you cant make any efforts towards making it happen? "I cant vote for X because X cant get elected." Do you honestly think the alt-right just appeared out of thin air? Do you think there wasnt a struggle? Do you think there wasnt a time when Trump was just as "unelectable" as you think Stein is?

Its the Losers fallacy. I cant do what I havent already done, therefore I never overcome my limitations. You make "there is no alternative" an axiom, and thats why you will never have an alternative.

[MithridatesXXIII]

Yea. You missed the point of my argument and replied with the default rebuttal to not voting 3rd party.

Eugenicists and economists? As much of a soft-science people claim economics to be you're still creating a false equivalence. Much like the people who believe a person adept at taking advantage of tax loopholes will be able to solve macroeconomic problems by using tax loopholes and declaring bankruptcy as a nation. Brilliant!

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Its weird you assume I think you should vote for Trump. Right now there is Jill Stein, who all of you hate for some reason because shes "anti-science" as opposed to Clinton who thinks that fracking backlash is a Russian conspiracy. Even if she didnt win, since Clinton is going to lose anyways her getting a big enough portion of the vote would help build the foundation for a campaign next election.

I agree that the Green Party has more good points than the Democrats and Republicans combined. They also don't have a snowball's chance in Hell (and I don't mean Cocytus either) of getting elected. Of the viable candidates, Hillary is best.

And they're not anti-science, they're anti-technology; they've got some kind of problem with genetic engineering. If they merely hated Monsanto I could totally get behind that, but no, they just hate genetic engineering in general.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

Its weird you assume I think you should vote for Trump. Right now there is Jill Stein, who all of you hate for some reason because shes "anti-science" as opposed to Clinton who thinks that fracking backlash is a Russian conspiracy. Even if she didnt win, since Clinton is going to lose anyways her getting a big enough portion of the vote would help build the foundation for a campaign next election.

I agree that the Green Party has more good points than the Democrats and Republicans combined. They also don't have a snowball's chance in Hell (and I don't mean Cocytus either) of getting elected. Of the viable candidates, Hillary is best.

And they're not anti-science, they're anti-technology; they've got some kind of problem with genetic engineering. If they merely hated Monsanto I could totally get behind that, but no, they just hate genetic engineering in general.

There was a time when Donald Trump was not a viable candidate. But thats cool. Have fun accepting defeat while at the same time wondering aloud why you are losing.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

Yea. You missed the point of my argument and replied with the default rebuttal to not voting 3rd party.

Eugenicists and economists? As much of a soft-science people claim economics to be you're still creating a false equivalence. Much like the people who believe a person adept at taking advantage of tax loopholes will be able to solve macroeconomic problems by using tax loopholes and declaring bankruptcy as a nation. Brilliant!

NAFTA has been a disaster. I dont need the opinions of witchdoctors to tell me that after spending my adolescence in the rust belt.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Its weird you assume I think you should vote for Trump. Right now there is Jill Stein, who all of you hate for some reason because shes "anti-science" as opposed to Clinton who thinks that fracking backlash is a Russian conspiracy. Even if she didnt win, since Clinton is going to lose anyways her getting a big enough portion of the vote would help build the foundation for a campaign next election.

I agree that the Green Party has more good points than the Democrats and Republicans combined. They also don't have a snowball's chance in Hell (and I don't mean Cocytus either) of getting elected. Of the viable candidates, Hillary is best.

And they're not anti-science, they're anti-technology; they've got some kind of problem with genetic engineering. If they merely hated Monsanto I could totally get behind that, but no, they just hate genetic engineering in general.

There was a time when Donald Trump was not a viable candidate. But thats cool. Have fun accepting defeat while at the same time wondering aloud why you are losing.

This is why Trump must be defeated. If the Republicans can be pushed out long enough eventually it will open up a power vacuum that some other party can step into. Hell, even the libertatians would be an improvement over the GOP, at least they're ok with decriminalising pot

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Yea. You missed the point of my argument and replied with the default rebuttal to not voting 3rd party.

Eugenicists and economists? As much of a soft-science people claim economics to be you're still creating a false equivalence. Much like the people who believe a person adept at taking advantage of tax loopholes will be able to solve macroeconomic problems by using tax loopholes and declaring bankruptcy as a nation. Brilliant!

NAFTA has been a disaster. I dont need the opinions of witchdoctors to tell me that after spending my adolescence in the rust belt.

Personally I'm more worried about people taking economic advice from bokors like Ronald Reagan did than about people taking economic advice from witchdoctors.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

Its weird you assume I think you should vote for Trump. Right now there is Jill Stein, who all of you hate for some reason because shes "anti-science" as opposed to Clinton who thinks that fracking backlash is a Russian conspiracy. Even if she didnt win, since Clinton is going to lose anyways her getting a big enough portion of the vote would help build the foundation for a campaign next election.

I agree that the Green Party has more good points than the Democrats and Republicans combined. They also don't have a snowball's chance in Hell (and I don't mean Cocytus either) of getting elected. Of the viable candidates, Hillary is best.

And they're not anti-science, they're anti-technology; they've got some kind of problem with genetic engineering. If they merely hated Monsanto I could totally get behind that, but no, they just hate genetic engineering in general.

There was a time when Donald Trump was not a viable candidate. But thats cool. Have fun accepting defeat while at the same time wondering aloud why you are losing.

This is why Trump must be defeated. If the Republicans can be pushed out long enough eventually it will open up a power vacuum that some other party can step into. Hell, even the libertatians would be an improvement over the GOP, at least they're ok with decriminalising pot

Is this counter trolling? 

[Junkenstein]

OK, I was wrong. This is the autism thread.

Again, all of you, except for Faust apparently, are simply too good to actually respond to any of my points(WHAT POINTS LOL!?!1). Its amazing, how did you ever build a forum of people who so brilliant and above it all that the only thing they can do when confronted with an opposing viewpoint is throw insults.

Lets see if youre all laughing when Trump wins.

1 - the comment was not directed at you but the quality of the debate in general. No ones even bothered to tell the actual overt fascist to fuck off.

2 - I stand correct.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

OK, I was wrong. This is the autism thread.

[Goddess Eris]

did you know that the two politicians running for office are KKKORRUPT??!!! Thank Jesus this ran_poll_xxx guy came in to help sound the alarm

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

1 - the comment was not directed at you but the quality of the debate in general. No ones even bothered to tell the actual overt fascist to fuck off.

2 - I stand correct.

I am an overt fascist. Where have you been?

did you know that the two politicians running for office are KKKORRUPT??!!! Thank Jesus this ran_poll_xxx guy came in to help sound the alarm

Lol scroll back a few pages. EVERYONE was butthurt about Wikileaks while at the sametime insisting that there was absolutely nothing worthwhile in them. Also again, hip with it SMART PEOPLE^tm like yourselves have accepted open corruption, including human trafficking, as the norm. Most other people havent, and this will hurt Hillary.

Also everyone seems to also have a problem with me stating that both candidates are controlled by the same powers. Which is hard to reconcile with again, the enlightened above it all peace with their candidate having ties to child prostitution. Its almost like its just an after the fact rationalization to finding out all these things about their candidate that just a few leaks ago they were insisting didnt exist and theyre unwilling to take it to its logical conclusion.