OPEN BAR: Tough on bars, tough on the causes of bars

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

oh hey, does anyone remember my friend who was having problems with an internet stalker a while back? the one who wanted to avoid giving said stalker any attention lest he be encouraged? well, recent events against her and some close friends of hers, she is starting to warm up to the idea of giving these guys a taste of hell, which leads me to ask, would anyone here be interested in catfishing/doxxing/or otherwise outtrolling a couple of MRA shitnecks?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Thanks, Chelagoras!

While I'm under a tremendous amount of stress, it's pretty much all stress over positive things, except for the fact that aforementioned boyfriend is going to Alaska to visit his son for a week tomorrow morning at buttfuck-thirty.

I am going to miss the everloving fuck out of him.

But he'll be back in a week, so it will be fine.

[Meunster]

oh hey, does anyone remember my friend who was having problems with an internet stalker a while back? the one who wanted to avoid giving said stalker any attention lest he be encouraged? well, recent events against her and some close friends of hers, she is starting to warm up to the idea of giving these guys a taste of hell, which leads me to ask, would anyone here be interested in catfishing/doxxing/or otherwise outtrolling a couple of MRA shitnecks?

Can I make s.t.a.l.k.e.r refrences? Anu cheeki breeki

[Cain]

Green light.  With the explicit promise that he will run interference when they inevitably whine about it.

Is this the guy that's ultimately in charge of all those dangerously foolish ass-hats you've been talking about? If so consider that it may be a set-up intended to get you in a bad position. I'm not saying it is so, but I've found that managers are never more dangerous than when they're "letting you do something" that shouldn't be necessary if they were competent.

Thought did cross my mind.

That said, the other shifts are useless.  I mean, completely and utterly useless.  Any move to get us fired would mean having to just put up with them being useless on even more shifts than they currently are.

I've found a simple workplace truth in my few years in the Laundry Services Department. It is very rarely the shitty co-worker that needs adjustment, like being berated. It is the person that allowed the behavior, knowingly and intentionally or not, that must be influenced. The only result of attempting to adjust the co-worker directly for misbehaving is thin compliance and resentment at best, at worst genuine and often veiled hostility.

I've more to say if you've an inclination to give ear.. or eye I guess, to it. My brain's just a bit far from the objective mode of thinking about anything work related ATM.

True...but these people are lazy as fuck.  I mean, the fridge had rotting food which expired in the summer in it, and they couldn't even be bothered to clean it out.  When I come in, I frequently find daily updated paperwork is pinned on top of the previous day's one...because someone couldn't be bothered to walk 15 feet to the bin and dispose of it.  Paperwork for the weekends, which is easy to update (you do it as people leave/arrive) is frequently so shoddy my co-worker and I spend 2 hours on our first night back on duty cross-referencing everything to make sure it's accurate, because it frequently isn't.

There's definitely a dearth of any kind of proper leadership or management here.  But it's festered to the point where it seems only 1 out of the 4 shifts is actually doing what it should be. We've shouted at management for months to fix it, but, well, you know what kind of idiots they are.  So now we'll shout at other people.

I've been the point man for picking up dirty and making deliveries to a cluster of our outlying clinics for about a year now. The last seven months of that have had me also tracking the levels of, and stocking, white doctor coats that the department now carries and distrbutes in lieu of the previous contractor. I've seen and made extensive written and photo documentation of the disregard for basic infection control procedure displayed by the staff. Coats get thrown on the floor under the clean ones or stuffed on shelves above them, dirty coats all too often get re-hung with the clean, personal items from outdoors have been hung among them, then there's the retaliation of folks messing up the racks after my reporting started to gain traction. Documentation of THAT was a major boon indeed!

I think what I'm trying to get at here is that these few bad actors are doctors and they "should" know better, but proved as intractably foolish as the worst folks in my own lowly department. I begin to suspect that disingenuous and incompetent behavior in a workplace is par for the course with a certain percentage of people no matter what they actually do. Then I got all Stoic about it and realized that if the behavior pattern was universal then it was also inevitable and getting mad was about it as helpful as shaking my fist at a stormcloud. I decided to let my anger go as much as possible and simply begin real and consistent documentation, despite it not being part of "my job", reasoning that the fuckers acted poorly so freely because they were used to "getting away with it".

Though "co-workers" my position is notably inferior to the MDs that I  attempt to service and so directly influencing their behavior on my own was not a viable option, no matter what documentation I created. So I decided that I would be as consistent about reports as I had been about being angry, every single day. I still get mildly annoyed sometimes, but the destruction of my false ideal about what folks "should" be doing in favor of analysis of what was actually happening has been an invaluable experience.

Not really sure where I'm going with this despite picking at it off and on as I could today. Might open a thread to try getting it all out.  Any of that sound useful Cain?

Sort of.

It's just unfortunate, because I can accept, to an extent, people being stupid, slacking off, and not giving a fuck.

But given we have people in our care, people far away from home and in a very different culture (an experience I can empathise with), people who sometimes have issues they need help with, I find it far less excusable.  If they want to be fuckups at a supermarket, that's fine.  I don't care.  Here though, it's other people's wellbeing that will ultimately suffer.

For example, I've recently discovered a student here is clinically depressed.  No-one actually thought to tell me this, I had to go dumpster diving through administrative emails when I was off duty, to even find a reference to that.  Just two hours previously, the worker who was handing over the information we "needed" to know to do our jobs (and neglected to mention that) was whining that he deserved top marks in his job appraisal.  He can't even spell the students names right, let alone pass on actually useful information, yet he thinks he is doing a fantastic job.

It's like some sort of horrible mash up between Dunning Kruger and Donald Rumsfeld. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's like some sort of horrible mash up between Dunning Kruger and Donald Rumsfeld.

[Cain]

The Unknown Unknowns of Not Knowing How Incompetent You Are: A Year Long Study in Social Stupidity.

That could be a paper, if I were a sociologist.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

It's like some sort of horrible mash up between Dunning Kruger and Donald Rumsfeld.

Theres a word for that: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

TL;DR is that higher ups intentionally put idiots in positions of middle management to act as sacrificial lambs when things go wrong. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Unknown Unknowns of Not Knowing How Incompetent You Are: A Year Long Study in Social Stupidity.

That could be a paper, if I were a sociologist.

It would make an excellent social psychology paper, as well.

Ages ago, I wanted to study workplace psychology. Your workplace would make an AMAZING case study.

[LMNO]

Hey, anyone want to fuck with a couple of dimwits on my Facebook page?

One of them's a libertarian....

https://www.facebook.com/lex.marburger

It's the link about muslims condemning the Paris attacks.  Look for Tim and Clarke's posts.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Hey, anyone want to fuck with a couple of dimwits on my Facebook page?

One of them's a libertarian....

https://www.facebook.com/lex.marburger

It's the link about muslims condemning the Paris attacks.  Look for Tim and Clarke's posts.

I am not sure I can stomach it right now, but I bet that when Alty gets off the plane he will want someone to take out his rage at being in Alaska on.

[Cain]

It's like some sort of horrible mash up between Dunning Kruger and Donald Rumsfeld.

Theres a word for that: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

TL;DR is that higher ups intentionally put idiots in positions of middle management to act as sacrificial lambs when things go wrong.

I'm pretty sure that's just The Dilbert Principle for people who didn't read Dilbert.

[Cain]

Hey, anyone want to fuck with a couple of dimwits on my Facebook page?

One of them's a libertarian....

https://www.facebook.com/lex.marburger

It's the link about muslims condemning the Paris attacks.  Look for Tim and Clarke's posts.

Will look when not at work.  Ie; Monday.

[Freeky]

So, I've just been given a green light to bully my co-workers.

Cain! What is best in life?

Crush your co-workers. See them exasperated before you. Hear the lamentations of their HR reps.

The rulers in city-states also tend to be more responsive to their citizens needs.  Normally because their citizens know where to find them in order to string them up, should they fuck it all up, and organizing a city-wide mob is not as hard as organizing a country-wide mob.  It's at just the right level for a lot of things when it comes to organization, economic viability, democratic governance and so on.
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This makes me so happy right now.

[Freeky]

I'm glad NET is not daed, also.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hey, anyone want to fuck with a couple of dimwits on my Facebook page?

One of them's a libertarian....

https://www.facebook.com/lex.marburger

It's the link about muslims condemning the Paris attacks.  Look for Tim and Clarke's posts.

Tim is a dick. 

"WHY DUNT MOOSLUMS CONDEMM ATTAKS?"

"They do."

"THEY SHOOD DO IT MORE, I WASUNT LISSENING."