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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #120 on: June 25, 2016, 04:03:34 pm »
I'm pretty fascinated about how this is going to affect Ireland. I'm not much of an Irish historian, because it's outside of my scope, but the border between NI and the Republic is porous pretty much only because of the EU. I just saw a post on FB that talks about how the OP remembered seeing the guns and guards doing checks, and how both countries fought to gain at least some porosity. All of that is going to go away.

I did read that NI rejected Sinn Fein's proposal, which is unsurprising. I think the damage done on the island is way too far gone to really even work together for unification at this point. But I can see NI definitely giving the UK the finger if it means being able to at least keep an open border between itself and the Republic.

This is fucking terrifying, and I only know a -tiny- bit of early modern/modern Irish history.d

Edit: Addendum. Ugh.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/northern-irish-peace-sacrificed-english-nationalism
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #121 on: June 26, 2016, 07:54:47 am »
Those on Facebook may want to have a look at this album:

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3

I am lucky: I am white, I have a standard British accent (and I carry a torch and spray with me everywhere - the first thug who tries to repatriate me is going to do have to do so missing his teeth and with his skin dyed bright pink).  I'm also an adult male with a somewhat heavier build - I'm among the last person a racist is going to pic on, if they even realised I wasn't British in the first place.

But obviously many people don't have those advantages.

I'm pretty disgusted with this country right now. 

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #122 on: June 26, 2016, 08:48:05 am »
That is disgusting. What I saw from the proposed negotiations yesterday from Scotland looked like a nice big fuck you to the racist contingent:
The will remain in the UK if it is possible to also remain in Europe and follow all of the previously agreed upon regulations... IE freedom of movement.
I don't know how that would work: If they can issue a national insurance number then anyone who wants to from Europe could work there.

I imagine the Farage types wouldn't be happy if polish, Romanian etc. could come IN to the country to work (via Scotland), but English and Welsh people couldn't go out to Europe to work.

I know the above scenario couldn’t happen, Sturgeon is just laying the ground work justifications as to why a second referendum for Scottish independence is needed, and why being in the UK and EU at the same time would be far too complicated.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2016, 09:41:48 am »
That's one element of Scottish nationalism I'm OK with: it's "plucky underdog" nationalism that resents the English for the most part.

Whether it remains that inclusive once Scotland is independent is another question, but if I were a foreigner in Scotland, I'd take that bet over an independent UK right now.  At the very least, being in the EU would force Scotland to be under the ECHR purview and open up the possibility of retaliatory measures, should the SNP go that way.

Which is another thing.  We're now going to see just how ugly the British state can get, now it's free of having to operate within a European framework, with the possibility of tit-for-tat moves by European partners it was tightly bound with.  "Freedom" sometimes means "the freedom to be a complete shit", and I strongly suspect we will see a lot of the latter in the coming days, weeks and months.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #124 on: June 26, 2016, 01:44:10 pm »
Those on Facebook may want to have a look at this album:

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3

I am lucky: I am white, I have a standard British accent (and I carry a torch and spray with me everywhere - the first thug who tries to repatriate me is going to do have to do so missing his teeth and with his skin dyed bright pink).  I'm also an adult male with a somewhat heavier build - I'm among the last person a racist is going to pic on, if they even realised I wasn't British in the first place.

But obviously many people don't have those advantages.

I'm pretty disgusted with this country right now.

I found myself surprised at seeing how much hate the Polish still get. 

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #125 on: June 26, 2016, 01:52:52 pm »
I know, right?  They've been here the best part of 12 years now.  And as far as immigrants go...well, the Poles keep their heads down, get on and work and not much else.  You see the very occasional Polish shop.  No Polish political parties, action groups, Polish only Catholic churches, Polish only areas - compared to with, say, Pakistani Sunni Muslims in the UK, Poles really don't figure on the radar.

Unless you're a Daily Mail reader, one presumes.

And all of the above is ignoring the sizeable Polish community that has existed in the UK since the 1930s.

Well, there's a reason I started drinking early today.

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« Reply #126 on: June 27, 2016, 05:32:57 am »
That's fucking rancid. 

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #127 on: June 27, 2016, 08:28:33 am »
That's why I'd finished a bottle of red wine by lunch time.  Then I started really drinking.

I feel like it was either that, or doing something really fucking stupid.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #128 on: June 27, 2016, 03:03:31 pm »
I've just watched some grinning pimply youth on the news channel telling me how much better off we will be trading with Ghana than with the European Union which according to another wunderkind is a failed and diminishing continent.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #129 on: June 27, 2016, 03:38:31 pm »
Smoke, it's what I've been doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

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Since the EU referendum results revealed the UK voted to leave, people have been compiling reports of racism on social media.

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Former Conservative parliamentary candidate Shazia Awan worked for the Stronger In campaign in Wales. She says she noticed a number of incidents of anti-foreign sentiment.
"When the Leave campaign focussed on the issue of immigration a few weeks before the result, I could feel the difference in how people were acting," she said.
"While I was campaigning, I was speaking to a black woman. A white man walked past and called her the N word."
After the referendum result, Shazia experienced a backlash herself when she tweeted her reaction to the outcome of the vote.
"After I came from the count on Friday morning I posted a tweet about David Cameron being the least worst thing about the Conservative party.
"Then I got a reply saying I should pack my bags and go home - I was born in Caerphilly in Wales.
"I don't like what this means for all of us."

Still anecdotal, but this is very, very fucking mild compared to some of this shit I've heard/seen by now. Knives are being mentioned with an alarming frequency, both aggressively and as the default means to protect yourself.

I'm hoping for someone to say it's just the parts/people I'm dealing with and it's not the norm.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #130 on: June 27, 2016, 03:52:27 pm »
Smoke, it's what I've been doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

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Since the EU referendum results revealed the UK voted to leave, people have been compiling reports of racism on social media.

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Former Conservative parliamentary candidate Shazia Awan worked for the Stronger In campaign in Wales. She says she noticed a number of incidents of anti-foreign sentiment.
"When the Leave campaign focussed on the issue of immigration a few weeks before the result, I could feel the difference in how people were acting," she said.
"While I was campaigning, I was speaking to a black woman. A white man walked past and called her the N word."
After the referendum result, Shazia experienced a backlash herself when she tweeted her reaction to the outcome of the vote.
"After I came from the count on Friday morning I posted a tweet about David Cameron being the least worst thing about the Conservative party.
"Then I got a reply saying I should pack my bags and go home - I was born in Caerphilly in Wales.
"I don't like what this means for all of us."

Still anecdotal, but this is very, very fucking mild compared to some of this shit I've heard/seen by now. Knives are being mentioned with an alarming frequency, both aggressively and as the default means to protect yourself.

I'm hoping for someone to say it's just the parts/people I'm dealing with and it's not the norm.

There seem to be a large number on what was the 'Leave' side who are now downplaying the importance that people who actually voted placed on immigration. This is likely because none of the innuendoes that the Leave side let slip during their campaigning are going to be easy to achieve.

I don't know how long a situation with this much uncertainty can carry on without some crazy shit happening - from what I can tell we've just fucked ourselves and the main promises of the 'winning' camp are now turning out to be a bunch of wishful thinking and/or straight up lies. Surely people are now going to start asking "Where's this Greater Britain we were promised? What about all that EU money we aren't spending any more?"

I dunno maybe I overestimate the complacency of everyone. Certainly the Conservatives got into power on some similarly difficult to substantiate claims and nobody seemed too upset when they inevitably couldn't fulfil.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #131 on: June 27, 2016, 04:53:53 pm »
Ahem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots#Suggested_contributory_factors

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2016, 08:39:22 pm »
I've just watched some grinning pimply youth on the news channel telling me how much better off we will be trading with Ghana than with the European Union which according to another wunderkind is a failed and diminishing continent.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2016, 12:27:18 am »
I've just watched some grinning pimply youth on the news channel telling me how much better off we will be trading with Ghana than with the European Union which according to another wunderkind is a failed and diminishing continent.

The mainland more-so than Britain?
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« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2016, 01:32:15 am »
I've just watched some grinning pimply youth on the news channel telling me how much better off we will be trading with Ghana than with the European Union which according to another wunderkind is a failed and diminishing continent.

Cain, you are very lucky - I don't drink; what the hell am I supposed to do.   :horrormirth:

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