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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1695 on: October 11, 2019, 05:17:45 pm »
I mean, what use are the DUP any more? They're not exactly giving him a Parliamentary majority.

This is what happens when you try to use something as an excuse to do what you want to, but the situation changes.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1696 on: October 17, 2019, 04:18:23 pm »
Boris has pulled out all the stops and secured a brand new Mays deal.
The EU have said no more extensions (though there are people who doubt that), but it might be shit or get off the pot time
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1697 on: October 17, 2019, 05:27:56 pm »
Did I see something resembling a Backstop for NI?

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1698 on: October 17, 2019, 06:38:59 pm »
In all but name, and it is a good thing. Of course that means it wont get through, but at least he committed to it which I didn't think he would
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1699 on: October 17, 2019, 07:43:52 pm »
This is just a slightly altered version of the May deal, isn't it?
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1700 on: October 17, 2019, 08:05:54 pm »
Yes, and as a compromise it pleases no one so it wont get through. However there wont ever be a version without something like this, so it's basically this or no brexit
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1701 on: October 17, 2019, 08:10:21 pm »
Yes, and as a compromise it pleases no one so it wont get through. However there wont ever be a version without something like this, so it's basically this or no brexit

Well, from the UK's point of view.  The EU can just say "no more extensions," right?
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1702 on: October 17, 2019, 09:21:30 pm »
They have,I think they would grant one of push came to shove but  it would need a really good reason, like having the second ref already set in the calendar
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1703 on: October 17, 2019, 10:24:05 pm »
The Financial Times is projecting this won't get past the Commons. The DUP's support is lost, and why would the opposition parties go for May Deal 2.0?

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1704 on: October 17, 2019, 10:27:43 pm »
The opposition will need to flip a few votes to get through, If they don't vote for it or repeal article 50 by the 31st no deal happens automatically, in which case it would be Labor and Lib dems responsible for no deal. If they are going to go for indi ref 2 or revoke they would want to do it soon.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1705 on: October 18, 2019, 12:36:24 am »
The opposition will need to flip a few votes to get through, If they don't vote for it or repeal article 50 by the 31st no deal happens automatically, in which case it would be Labor and Lib dems responsible for no deal. If they are going to go for indi ref 2 or revoke they would want to do it soon.

The new agreement is No Deal for Britain anyway. There's no way a deal would be agreed in 12 months.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1706 on: October 18, 2019, 08:01:08 am »
The transition could be extended and would be a lot easier once the NI problem is out of the way but yeah, transition should be two to three years from leave day
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1707 on: October 18, 2019, 12:57:12 pm »
Notice how all the "no dealers" in the ERG are lining up behind this, however? I don't think they seriously intend to negotiate in good faith. They have significant financial incentives not to, in some cases.

Michael Gove also made it very clear the Tories intend to gut workers rights by refusing to comment on parity with EU rights, so Labour's vote is definitively lost (Kate Hoey aside, naturally).

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1708 on: October 19, 2019, 03:44:28 pm »
Letwin amendment passed.

MPs will actually now get more than 48 hours to scrutinise this deal. Assuming, of course, the EU grants the extension.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1709 on: October 19, 2019, 06:17:02 pm »
Another extension is fine, labor wont vote for the deal now, not even some rebels
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