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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2115 on: September 14, 2020, 10:40:20 pm »
This fucking "blockade" story they are pushing:
The choice was simple, border across the land, dividing Ireland, and Ireland will never ratify a trade deal, or a border down the sea.
Free movement of goods only stops if the UK drops its standards on foods and good.

And if, if they had a point to complain on that the time was last year: the outcome was clearly stated and reported on, and complained about by the DUP, and then ratified and voted in by their party in the international treaty that was signed in January.

The problem is that you are dealing with an even sloppier version of Trump.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2116 on: September 15, 2020, 12:07:16 am »
Remember, this is the Brexit deal that was so important that 20 MPs were expelled for not voting for it, Parliament was shut down to strongarm it into passing it and an election was called on the basis of it.

Just remember that, when you hear Johnson or any of his bootlickers in the Cabinet, in Parliament or even in the press bemoaning how terrible a deal this is for the UK.

Oh, btw, that trade deal with Japan the UK signed? Not only will it add a whopping 0.07% to our GDP, the terms of the deal are worse than the ones that the EU got with Japan. So, uh, good job there.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2117 on: September 15, 2020, 01:57:41 am »
This fucking "blockade" story they are pushing:
The choice was simple, border across the land, dividing Ireland, and Ireland will never ratify a trade deal, or a border down the sea.
Free movement of goods only stops if the UK drops its standards on foods and good.

And if, if they had a point to complain on that the time was last year: the outcome was clearly stated and reported on, and complained about by the DUP, and then ratified and voted in by their party in the international treaty that was signed in January.

The problem is that you are dealing with an even sloppier version of Trump.

One without the world's largest military to enforce his whims.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2118 on: September 15, 2020, 09:18:16 am »
Remember, this is the Brexit deal that was so important that 20 MPs were expelled for not voting for it, Parliament was shut down to strongarm it into passing it and an election was called on the basis of it.

Just remember that, when you hear Johnson or any of his bootlickers in the Cabinet, in Parliament or even in the press bemoaning how terrible a deal this is for the UK.

Oh, btw, that trade deal with Japan the UK signed? Not only will it add a whopping 0.07% to our GDP, the terms of the deal are worse than the ones that the EU got with Japan. So, uh, good job there.

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but the Japan deal was one of the recent EU ones so it includes a favoritism clause: If any nation gets better trade terms the EU one has to match it, so at best the UK can break even and match the terms they would have in the EU, the same is in Canada and Singapore and that horrible Mercoser one that's in the works

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2119 on: September 15, 2020, 07:01:05 pm »
I'm pretty sure the only "benefits" at this point will be UK employers being able to opt-out of European legislation like the Working Time Directive, allowing them to ultimately squeeze their employees with lower wages.

Which of course will make it harder to get a trade deal with the EU, because the EU knows having a floating sweatshop/money laundering service next door means it won't be competing on an even level with EU companies.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2120 on: September 16, 2020, 09:58:04 pm »
Currently taking bets on patels next scheme, current favourite is inform on friends and neighbours for FABULOUS PRIZES.

Also senior tory law bod resigns over the whole breaking International law thing. Nothing unusual, grayling mooted as replacement.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2121 on: September 17, 2020, 11:46:26 am »
No, Boris has now intervened so we're only to snitch on neighbours in hot tubes, having wild "Animal House" style parties now.

I suspect Patel's next scheme will be "see someone who looks a bit foreign? Report them! they might have stowed away on a boat".

I also hear that Boris may have staved off a Parliamentary rebellion by allowing Parliamentary oversight on the legislation. No actual changes mooted so far, so the looming threat of EU sanctions still exist, but at least Parliament will have their mostly toothless authority respected, and that's what really matters.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2122 on: September 17, 2020, 02:22:01 pm »
Convenient https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-09-14/grenfell-files-lost-forever-after-laptop-wiped-inquiry-hears

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Some emails, documents and design drawings relating to the Grenfell Tower refurbishment appear to have been lost forever after being wiped from a laptop, the inquiry into the fire has heard.

Design manager Daniel Anketell-Jones, who worked for cladding specialists Harley Facades until March 2016, told the hearing he erased his work computer of all files after agreeing to keep the device despite leaving the firm.

The electrical and mechanical engineering graduate told the inquiry on Monday he made the “assumption” his work would remain on the Harley Facades server, which it did not, and denied a claim he arranged for his email file to be deleted from the firm’s internal systems.

“I believed everything would be kept on the company server because all the laptops just attached into the server and all the emails were retained on there,” he said.

In his witness statement, Harley managing director Ray Bailey said he believed every Harley employee who worked on the revamp was able to pass on emails in the days following the June 2017 fire – except Mr Anketell-Jones.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2123 on: October 15, 2020, 12:06:31 pm »
London's back on a Tier 2 lockdown, yeah baby.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2124 on: October 15, 2020, 12:33:11 pm »
London's back on a Tier 2 lockdown, yeah baby.

Eventually people will learn that a pandemic doesn't end just because it becomes boring and/or expensive and inconvenient.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2125 on: October 15, 2020, 05:25:33 pm »
Hah, the Tories aren't going to learn.

They'll just let people die.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2126 on: October 16, 2020, 10:18:04 am »
They'll just let people die.

Speaking of which, 316 MPs are just fine with undercover police killing you for no damn reason whatsoever and it being legal.

Just in case anyone thought I was exaggerating.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2127 on: October 16, 2020, 12:45:13 pm »
Isn't there a precedent of undercover cops going bad, like the guys who stole dread pirate roberts drug money, not so comfortable with them also then having legal immunity for killing their competition
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2128 on: October 16, 2020, 12:55:03 pm »
I just read Cain's FB post about this, and I'm fairly stunned.  What sort of fear is fueling this?  It's like the Patriot Act on steroids, but with no 9/11 to kick things off.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #2129 on: October 16, 2020, 02:58:37 pm »
Isn't there a precedent of undercover cops going bad, like the guys who stole dread pirate roberts drug money, not so comfortable with them also then having legal immunity for killing their competition

Yeah they get away with too much shit as it is, I'm not sure legalising it is the way to go.

What sort of fear is fueling this?  It's like the Patriot Act on steroids, but with no 9/11 to kick things off.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. That's the most worrying part. Oh there's been some murmurs about "Russian interference" and how not letting the cops kill whoever they want lets the FSB win but that's mostly journos trolling leftist critics and the Labour Party.

So is it in preparation for something, like mass crackdowns after No Deal Brexit goes bad? Maybe, but no-one's saying.