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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1080 on: December 06, 2018, 04:39:57 pm »
Everything about this has gone from horrifying to hilarious recently.

At first it resembled a bunch of horrid cretins burying the underclasses in their feces, now it looks like they may not have even succeeded in that lofty goal and indeed are drowning in that foulest of poo themselves.

I wish I lived there right now. Maybe I could pelt cabinet members with frozen peas and get away with it in a months time.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1081 on: December 06, 2018, 05:28:10 pm »
We still have to put up with another 2 days of debate before the vote next week.

What will happen:

- Parliament will reject the deal
- Everyone will rush to come up with a new deal
- There will be no consensus for any of these deals, because they are all either crap, insane, will never be agreed to by the EU or do not pander to the fantasies sold to the British public for well over 2 decades now.  Certainly none of them will appeal to more than any 30 given MPs.
- No-one will actually challenge May for the leadership, because, you know, poison chalice
- There will not be a general election.  There will not be a second referendum.
- Everyone will stare at each other gormlessly until we crash out of the EU without a deal in place

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1082 on: December 06, 2018, 07:32:44 pm »
We still have to put up with another 2 days of debate before the vote next week.

What will happen:

- Parliament will reject the deal
- Everyone will rush to come up with a new deal
- There will be no consensus for any of these deals, because they are all either crap, insane, will never be agreed to by the EU or do not pander to the fantasies sold to the British public for well over 2 decades now.  Certainly none of them will appeal to more than any 30 given MPs.
- No-one will actually challenge May for the leadership, because, you know, poison chalice
- There will not be a general election.  There will not be a second referendum.
- Everyone will stare at each other gormlessly until we crash out of the EU without a deal in place


This never fails to amaze me.  NOBODY benefits from Brexit, it's a nonstop trainwreck of epic proportions, and all they have to do is STOP.  But they can't, because they lack the moral courage to do so.
Well, that's hardly my fault.  I was just doing what I do, doing my little dance, singing my little song, you know?  And then Hirley0 got on the dance floor and said

SHAKE THAT
First ^  Then V

And I did.  I didn't feel like I had any choice.  Between P-Funk and Hirley0, I became the man reptillian menace I am today.

Bootsy Collins did this to me.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1083 on: December 06, 2018, 07:48:36 pm »
The three amendments last night (provided the EU says the UK can withdraw article 50 unilaterally) could allow ministers to cancel brexit if they thought there was no other outcome then "No Deal"
Then the UK could stay, and blame the EU forever (which they were probably going to do anyway).
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1084 on: December 06, 2018, 08:03:33 pm »
We still have to wait for the final comment from the European Courts on that (which incidentally occurs on Monday, the day before the vote), but yes.

Roger, what I keep on hearing, not just from TV but from actual people in the civil service and pub talk in Westminster (so...people in the civil service) is that this is The Will Of The People.  They've worked up the crazies, the hard Brexit gang and their supporters and the hard right media, into a monster of mythic proportions that they are deadly afraid of crossing.  I mean, I seem to remember a shit ton of people marching to prevent the war in Iraq, and Blair basically told them to go piss in the wind.  The Will of The People didn't matter then, but of course it was being articulated by hippies and professional activists, not The Telegraph and Sun newspapers.

They would quite literally prefer to wreck the country than possibly lose their jobs.  It's the very definition of cowardice.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1085 on: December 06, 2018, 08:38:12 pm »
They would quite literally prefer to wreck the country than possibly lose their jobs.  It's the very definition of cowardice.

If they do the former, I hope they achieve the latter.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1086 on: December 06, 2018, 09:07:01 pm »
We still have to wait for the final comment from the European Courts on that (which incidentally occurs on Monday, the day before the vote), but yes.

Roger, what I keep on hearing, not just from TV but from actual people in the civil service and pub talk in Westminster (so...people in the civil service) is that this is The Will Of The People.  They've worked up the crazies, the hard Brexit gang and their supporters and the hard right media, into a monster of mythic proportions that they are deadly afraid of crossing.  I mean, I seem to remember a shit ton of people marching to prevent the war in Iraq, and Blair basically told them to go piss in the wind.  The Will of The People didn't matter then, but of course it was being articulated by hippies and professional activists, not The Telegraph and Sun newspapers.

They would quite literally prefer to wreck the country than possibly lose their jobs.  It's the very definition of cowardice.


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Well, that's hardly my fault.  I was just doing what I do, doing my little dance, singing my little song, you know?  And then Hirley0 got on the dance floor and said

SHAKE THAT
First ^  Then V

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Bootsy Collins did this to me.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1087 on: December 07, 2018, 02:53:08 pm »
Latest projections are six months of chaos at Dover with a "no deal" outcome.

Kent County also projected an outcome where bodies could not be collected, schools would be closed and rubbish left on the streets all as a result of the traffic disruption.

The Lib Dems are trying to table legislation for another referendum, but they've lost the support of People's Vote, who want to build cross-party consensus on a second referendum before putting legislation before Parliament.


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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1088 on: December 08, 2018, 12:03:16 pm »
The UK DOES remember the Potato Famine!

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

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AS UK PRIME Minister Theresa May has just five days to try to rally support for her Brexit deal, a Tory MP has suggested using the possibility of food shortages in Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit to encourage the EU to drop the backstop.

A government report, leaked to the Times of London, has indicated that there could be food shortages in Ireland in a no-deal Brexit scenario, and the economic impact on Ireland would be worse than in the UK.

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Tory MP Priti Patel has told the paper that these warnings should have been used as leverage against Ireland to encourage them to drop the backstop.

ďThis paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasnít this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.Ē

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1089 on: December 08, 2018, 06:02:10 pm »
It's either ignorance of her history and the role Britain played in the Irish famine, or a deliberate sneering comment about what was effectively a genocide.

She is correct that if the UK has food shortages we will too (banana's oranges, and imported foods) come on frieight from the UK.
But what makes her comment even funnier are two things:
1) The UK imports 50% of it's food, guess where most of that comes from.
2) https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-food-security/

The second is, fuck her, she is putting me in a position where I am given to my baser instinct of reveling at the thought of food shortages in the UK out of spite, which is unfair to the millions of people are aren't fucking monsters like her.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1090 on: December 08, 2018, 07:32:36 pm »
Iím glad that my initial reaction was validated by an actual Irish citizen. I wasnít entirely sure if I was misremembering the potato famine being essentially genocide... guess I wasnít.

Iím upgrading from frozen peas to large ball bearings covered in barbed wire and capsaicin. Fuck these shitbag goons.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1091 on: December 08, 2018, 07:53:07 pm »
I wasnít entirely sure if I was misremembering the potato famine being essentially genocide... guess I wasnít.
Its a common belief that the one million people who died was entirely due to the potato blight, during the same period farmers were forced at gunpoint to export their crops. It's hard to say how many lives could have been saved if they had been able to use the food themselves, but they are deaths that could have been avoided.
Genocide is too strong a word for it, but there is a responsibility on the UK for many of those deaths.
https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/was-the-famine-genocide-by-the-british-28954929.html

It's not even a thing people talk about other than die hard shinner nationalists, but its those kind of feelings Patel's tone deaf comments illicit.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1092 on: December 08, 2018, 07:59:49 pm »
Oh, I donít know if itís necessarily too strong a word. Sure, the deaths werenít specifically intended by the UK, which would legally absolve them of genocide, but itís harder to say they didnít see it happening or that they did anything to help if they did notice. Morally speaking I feel like thatís not too far removed from a purposeful attempt to starve the Irish out of existence.

And yeah, even if you disagree with my stance on the matter, saying that shit the way she did causes some pretty hefty fury in the hearts of anyone who knows a damn thing about it and has a caring bone in their body. Hyperbole happens in such moments.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1093 on: December 10, 2018, 06:45:11 pm »
So....that went well?

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1094 on: December 10, 2018, 08:37:52 pm »
Withdrawing the vote was an interesting move, the current options are no deal or no brexit, the longer she holds out without letting them vote, it will kill the few who are still saying "negotiate something better". The clock ticks down but it does increase the chances of her deal going through. If I was her I would say, we can have a vote on it the week before A50 comes into effect and start triggering a no deal prep measure each week until enough ministers are convinced.
Apologies for my pavlovs dog reaction earlier, when comments like patels come out it has me drunkenly singing rebel songs from the roof until the guards come.
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