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[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Humans ARE just animals. The type of animals we call Homo sapiens. Other species may have, or reach, the type of intelligence we have. I absolutely do not buy into that "God breathed life into us and that makes us super special and different from all the others" crap. I don't even understand why anyone would WANT to feel like humans are fundamentally different from all the other animals; what a bleak, lonely, alienated existence that would be.

Although, now that I think about it like that, it kind of explains a lot about Western civilization.

I find it hard to hold people responsible for their actions if I see them as the same kind of animal as every other animal.

We have the ability to make or break the world, and everything in it. We're not holy. We have more responsibility than other animals, and should. Every member of this board that's worth a damn has demonstrated that responsibility in one way or another.

I mean, obviously we shouldn't start holding dogs accountable for dog fighting. They did the fighting, but we had the complexity and BADWRONG in us to force them to do it. We can choose to be better than other animals, or we can choose to be lower than other animals.

I mean, if you treat something or someone as if they have more responsibility than another, that is a fundamental difference, is it not?

Dogs are held accountable for dog fighting every day.  They are usually executed for it.

He's got you there

 

I'm saying the justice system shouldn't hold dogs accountable for dog fighting. Did Pergamos mean to say that the justice system executes dogs for dog fighting? Or that the dog fighters execute them for dog fighting? Because I know the latter is definitely true. The former doesn't make any goddamn sense.

They're generally (or at least often) deemed unfit as pets (etc.) and put down after they get siezed when dog-fighting ring gets broken up by the cops

I didn't say that they don't limit arousals. I said they didn't have to evolve to do so. It's not very surprising that a system made up of people who are disgusted by sexual abuse would be biased against sexual abuse.

The universe has allowed for the possibility of organisms to influence and manipulate other organisms, whether by digesting them, inseminating them, etc. - from molecular to macro. I'm afraid if I apply a hierarchy of morality upon a nihilistic biology, I'm gonna slip on a banana peel.
 

No, Nihilists are the ones that think it's pointless to go out of their way to not step on the banana peel, and so they fall on their asses over and over again.

Biology is not Nihilistic. It is doing all the work, and making your existence possible. It gave you the ability to create meaning, and you chose to waste that on an ideology that is based on moral laziness. You're spineless inability to stand up for a set of moral principles is caused by cowardice. Ordinarily, I would attribute this to tween arrogance. But, you said you were already out of college in your Introduction, which means you're probably old enough to know better. As someone who went through your problem as a phase, I assure you that it is due to an ego the size of Texas, and a habit of compartmentalization at the first sign of a threat to your belief, and magical thinking. You assume that because your ideology explains and accounts for all, that it is infallible. You are wrong. You are not special. You are not a philosopher (No reason why you'd want to be one). We have seen plenty like you, and we are not impressed.

The world doesn't care about you, and it has nothing to do with Nihilism. It has to do with the fact that you can't accept that sexual abuse and manipulation are fucking wrong.

So go slip on a fucking banana peel.

I'll take your criticism, it's ok. Yes, you are right, I have slipped on many banana peels and will continue to do so. And yes, It's true that every type of viewpoint is both true and false and everything in between.

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

It is. That's why my custom title is Devil's Advocate

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I hate both of you because your conversation is both navel-gazing and puerile

Newsfeed.

Done and done.

[Freeky]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

Yeah.  Exactly that.

[CBXTN]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

  you're right! I really shouldn't be defending my position based on an arbitrary assumption I have about "Discordianism"

I choose to stand ignorantly by my position and say that our bodies are actually an assemblage of cells, living and breathing together - I, a walking sack of blood, am a conglomerate of little creatures evolved over eons to symbiotically co-habitate. My body is a squirming tower of molecular animals randomly generated by the quirks of perpetual chemical reactions, and they probably don't care what kind of porn I watch. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

  you're right! I really shouldn't be defending my position based on an arbitrary assumption I have about "Discordianism"

I choose to stand ignorantly by my position and say that our bodies are actually an assemblage of cells, living and breathing together - I, a walking sack of blood, am a conglomerate of little creatures evolved over eons to symbiotically co-habitate. My body is a squirming tower of molecular animals randomly generated by the quirks of perpetual chemical reactions, and they probably don't care what kind of porn I watch.

I reject that on account of Papa Hemmingway and Rudyard Kipling.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

My body is a squirming tower of molecular animals randomly generated by the quirks of perpetual chemical reactions, and they probably don't care what kind of porn I watch.

I wouldn't say "randomly". Cells and organelles, small though they may be, are still much larger than the scale at which physics becomes largely non-deterministic. Furthermore evolution has its patterns and courses that it follows, much like the weather and the movements of the stars and planets, and any number of meaningless natural phenomena. It is arbitrary but not necessarily "random".

[Freeky]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

  you're right! I really shouldn't be defending my position based on an arbitrary assumption I have about "Discordianism"

Better.

[PoFP]

But, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.

There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.

My body is a squirming tower of molecular animals randomly generated by the quirks of perpetual chemical reactions, and they probably don't care what kind of porn I watch.

Yeah, the cells don't care. Because they don't have feelings. But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person. And when that happens, other "squirming towers of molecular animals" will beat you to a pulp with bar stools, or put you in the fucking ground if you actually hurt someone.

As someone who's known many people to go down that road and live that life, and stray temporarily down that path myself, I assure you it is a mistake. And let me explain why that is, in a morally blank manner:

You go down that path, you die in prison, or worse. Pretend to be some emotionless observer-being of logic all you want, it doesn't make a difference to people. Your logic will die with you, bloody and alone. Look at the world emptily, and it will gladly return the favor.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

[PoFP]

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

Oh wait, I guess you're right, it is illogical to make an argument based on the assumption that someone wants to live and feel good about themselves. Why do I even bother? 

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

Oh wait, I guess you're right, it is illogical to make an argument based on the assumption that someone wants to live and feel good about themselves. Why do I even bother?

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it morally wrong.

For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong?After all, it's dangerous and illogical; You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it.

[PoFP]

But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it wrong. For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong? It's illogical. You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it

Last I checked, rape is sexual violence.

Also, last I checked, people who help other people feel better about themselves, and live happier lives, even if they are shorter in situations like that.

EDIT: Firefighters have higher suicide rates due to the stressors involved. However, it is not illogical or wrong to attempt to keep others alive to progress society, or even individual lives.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it wrong. For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong? It's illogical. You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it

Last I checked, rape is sexual violence.

I don't recall rape being mentioned in the conversation

[PoFP]

But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it wrong. For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong? It's illogical. You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it

Last I checked, rape is sexual violence.

I don't recall rape being mentioned in the conversation

So you don't see sex with non-consenting animals as rape. Good to know.