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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2017, 07:00:34 pm »
The screeching about the word pussy on FB currently unfolding is a good example of this.

Yes.  I am told that the march was counterproductive and worse than Pol Pot because the pink hats were a symbol of TERF.

The people doing the bitching are of course stupid and probably won't be available for comment inside of 24 months.

I think that may be some hyperbole.

Some women of color were commenting that they were put off by pink being used to represent pussies. But saying put off is not the same as saying counterproductive and worse than pol pot.

And the people that I heard this from have breathed more than their share of tear-gas, in case there's a tourist question.
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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2017, 07:05:34 pm »
I didn't want to speak for others on my FB post, but I'll take a swing here.

NOTE: This is not my opinion, and I'm not going to argue their point.  If you have questions, seek out someone who feels this way and talk to them.

There's some frustration and apprehension about a slew of white women (and men) suddenly showing up to protest, with an enormous emphasis in both the rallies and the media around issues that white women (mostly middle-class) have, to the detriment of higher at-risk minorities.  There's also a worry that the majority of people who showed up will pat themselves on the back, say, "We did it! We smashed patriarchy!" and go back to their suburbs, abandoning WOC and LGBTQ.

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2017, 07:09:50 pm »
I can see that. But it sure looks like it's going to end up with these groups at each other's throats while rich old white GOP fucks laugh around their stogies.

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2017, 07:14:19 pm »
I can see that.  But I decided my best response is to understand why they're upset and try to work with them.  And much of that will be actions over words.  My first instinct was to say "this is why we can't have nice things", but that doesn't help move things forward.

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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2017, 07:17:15 pm »
I can see that.  But I decided my best response is to understand why they're upset and try to work with them.  And much of that will be actions over words.  My first instinct was to say "this is why we can't have nice things", but that doesn't help move things forward.

Agreed. I will adopt the same stance.

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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2017, 07:22:17 pm »
I can see that.  But I decided my best response is to understand why they're upset and try to work with them.  And much of that will be actions over words.  My first instinct was to say "this is why we can't have nice things", but that doesn't help move things forward.

We've got a sort of tepid version of Antifa going in my neighborhood. A few weeks ago, an accomplice started raising hell about some hippy shop in the neighborhood hosting a class on how to make dream-catchers. I rolled my eyes almost out of my head at that.

Then we had a nasty cold snap in Portland, and the same person who I was accusing of having an ineffective set of priorities pretty much single-handedly threw together a warming shelter and kept it running for several days on about three hours of sleep a night. I put in all of three hours helping in that effort.

I think it would be wise for me to be slower to judge...
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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2017, 08:25:48 pm »
This article has a first-person point of view about what we've been talking about:

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Still, what was really bothering me? Where was my sense of awe and hope? The next morning realized: I donít trust these people.

I donít trust most of the Womenís March participants to show up again. I donít trust the resolve of their concern. I donít trust that all voted for Hillary Clinton or recognized the unprecedented threat of Donald Trump. I donít trust that they understood this was an election to do everything in our power to keep him out of the White Houseótoo important to throw a vote away on Jill Stein or write in your motherís name on the ballot.

In this case, it seems to be coming from a well-earned sense of jaded cynicism.  Which, I suppose could be considered ironic.

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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2017, 08:32:23 pm »
This article has a first-person point of view about what we've been talking about:

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Still, what was really bothering me? Where was my sense of awe and hope? The next morning realized: I donít trust these people.

I donít trust most of the Womenís March participants to show up again. I donít trust the resolve of their concern. I donít trust that all voted for Hillary Clinton or recognized the unprecedented threat of Donald Trump. I donít trust that they understood this was an election to do everything in our power to keep him out of the White Houseótoo important to throw a vote away on Jill Stein or write in your motherís name on the ballot.

In this case, it seems to be coming from a well-earned sense of jaded cynicism.  Which, I suppose could be considered ironic.

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On Saturday I attended the march in Los Angeles and canít say I began the day with much enthusiasm, especially when compared to the downright giddiness I witnessed from other marchers. It was like watching a foreign film without subtitlesóI understood what was happening and why, but I didnít quite get the tone or the nuance. The times Iíve taken to the streets or raised my voice about an issue have been out of anger or as a response to gross injustice. The joviality of the march, the ďwarmth and love and careĒ was unfamiliar.

One of my friends posted that she saw people hugging and taking selfies with a cop that tear gassed her the night before.
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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2017, 09:11:57 pm »
This article has a first-person point of view about what we've been talking about:

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Still, what was really bothering me? Where was my sense of awe and hope? The next morning realized: I donít trust these people.

I donít trust most of the Womenís March participants to show up again. I donít trust the resolve of their concern. I donít trust that all voted for Hillary Clinton or recognized the unprecedented threat of Donald Trump. I donít trust that they understood this was an election to do everything in our power to keep him out of the White Houseótoo important to throw a vote away on Jill Stein or write in your motherís name on the ballot.

In this case, it seems to be coming from a well-earned sense of jaded cynicism.  Which, I suppose could be considered ironic.

True, but I bet this person isn't that far off the mark for a lot of people. People tend to have short attentions spans and a relatively short memory. I guess it will depend how bad it gets, sadly.

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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2017, 10:28:37 pm »
Some people got the privilege and position to be able to say "Fuck you" to a wanker in a way that they goddamn feel like saying it and a whole nother bunch are saying pretty much the same thing but in a different voice, with different words. Turns out these two bunches got this one thing in common this one day. They want to say "Fuck you" to the same wanker.

There was a chance for these two groups to come together and share a moment of solidarity and gain a bit of perspective on the other side of whatever divide you care to pick. Anything else doesn't really gain anybody any anything, far as I can see. Ergo - is pissing and moaning for fuck all good. It's no surprise. Pissers and moaners have plenty to piss and moan about. Thing is plenty people who don't piss and moan do to. I prefer the latter.
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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2017, 10:57:40 pm »
Quote from: Very Thoughtful, Calm, and Rational Post on Tumblr Which Is Relevant
Iíve been seeing discussions on my dash about the use of the words ďpussyĒ and even the color of the pink hats used in the womenís march, and Iíd like to submit a couple of ideas to you for consideration.

Let me preface by saying: I am not in favor of signage/words that prioritize one set of sexual organs over another because that gets into weird places of associating genitalia with gender, etc.

However, signs that say things like ďPussy Grabs BackĒ - please consider that this is in context and direct opposition to a man who bragged about assaulting women with vaginas by saying ďI grab Ďem by the pussy.Ē This is reflecting his language back in the form of protest, and in this case, I think is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

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But even with this context in mind, I want to put out there one more thought: Protect trans women. Protect intersex women. Protect women of color. Protect disabled women. And if any of these people feel uncomfortable or excluded because of the way that [pink shit and female parts] are often associated with cis white women, respect that, and donít force them to interface with it.

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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2017, 11:00:21 pm »
I can see that. But it sure looks like it's going to end up with these groups at each other's throats while rich old white GOP fucks laugh around their stogies.

This is precisely what is going to happen.

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2017, 10:59:39 am »
It's the reason exploitation and atrocities have happened over and over again. People won't realise they need each other, until things get really bad, and only then will they look back and realise that they had the opportunity to head this off at the pass.

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Re: Virtue Signalling
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2017, 01:07:29 pm »
The intersectionality problem is really getting me bummed out.  I'm trying to figure my way through it.  I'm sure I've walked down a road hundreds have already been down, but I feel a need to do it.

The tough part is making statements that neither deny or belittle the marginalized, while neither demonizing nor apologizing for the "un-woke".

I'm suspecting I need to use math/E-Prime rules. 

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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2017, 02:47:52 pm »
I will just continue to listen. I have lots to learn, and I do have opinions, but I don't want to mansplain. I can learn with my mouth shut.