A challenge for all Bush-Haters

[Cain]

espionage is so cool.

Thats all you need to say man.  Espionage is the coolest stuff ever.  Except possibly sabotage.  Unless you get caught.

[EraPassing]

Complaining that humans go to war is like complaining that the ocean is wet.

[Cain]

My friend once complained that a chocolate bar he bought had got wet.  That he had it in his pocket while swimming in the Amazon river did not occur to him.  Perhaps this could cleverly be applied to the problem of war, but not by me.

[Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy]

CHEF DIESEL,
THINKS YOU NEED TO WORK ON DEM READIN' SKILZ.

You talking to me? Mutha fucka?

What be wrong wf my readin skilz, sucka!

IT'S PAINFUL WATCHING OPIEZ TRY TO "TALK BLACK".

CHEF DIESEL,
HAS WHITENESS OOZING OUT OF HIS MONITOR.

Was ist los meine leibchen?  Ich kann nicht Schwarze gesprechen?  Ich bin weiss, bist du schwarzer? Du bist ein dummkopk und ein sheisskopf :P   Aber ein leibchen und Ich vershtehe dich, Ja?

[President Bush]

[Hoshiko]

I hate to come this late to a party. The good booze is always gone, and I have to admit that I skipped over most of it.

Nevertheless, here's why I had a problem with your OP VoT. It's not because of your "political beliefs", it's because of the unspoken assumption that you are going to agree 100% with G.W. before he even opens his mouth to speak, and you also assume that we're so far in denial that we won't or can't listen with an open mind. You felt the need to defend him before he even spoke, in other words. Pretty presumptuous. Myself, I wouldn't state ahead of time that I agree with something someone's going to say ever, and I sure as hell wouldn't put myself in a position to defend it before I know what "it" is going to be. Not even if that person is Jesus H. Christ. For all you know he could have started reading verbatim from Mein Kampf. (insert joke here)

relax a little bit, and chill out, and accept that my beliefs (or those of conservatives) are ok too.

Sure they are. But no solid political stance is going to be 100% conservative or liberal. If you're swallowing a party line and mimicking it back as your own personal truth you're just being lazy, and chances are you won't be able to back it up if asked. You're coming from a position of weakness because you feel the need to pick a side and stick with it rather than weigh things one by one. Most people would call me a liberal (rabid), but there are some things I'm very conservative about. Dividing people into these narrow definitions only helps to draw attention to differences that are never as big as we percieve them to be, unless we listen to the talking heads.

I understand your POV because I choose to inform myself by taking into account many political beliefs. I listen to mainstream and left-leaning news as well as conservative talk and news (which is where I'm guessing you get your Moore examples from. He's the newest, shiniest strawman since the blow job) and I try to get all points of view and aspects of a particular issue or subject before I make up my mind.

If you had posted here after the fact with specific aspects of the speech you felt were notable and wanted to defend I might want to play. As it is your lost most of your credibility and got attacked by the hive.

That said, welcome. I hope you stick around.

P.S. Next time bring chocolate. Libs looove chocolate.

[Cain]

Found a BBC article with Arab views on Bush's speech

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4197517.stm

[LMNO]

Somewhere in all that verbiage, VOT said something to the effect of:

I thought you guys were supposed to have open minds or something.

Well, VoT, believe it or not, we do.  Most of us here have read the NeoCon viewpoint, studied it, considered it, analyzed it, and subsequently rejected it. Just because we have open minds doesn't mean we can't make judgements about it.

Hell, most of us would agree that there is a chance that a meteor will smash into the earth next Tuesday (after lunch, if you want to get RAW with it).  However, after a little bit of thought, we tend to reject that outcome.

So, VoT, if you want us to re-consider the NeoCon view, why not give us some sort of information, data, or argument that you are willing to fight to the death over?  Cuz we have heard most of 'em, thought about  'em and have dismissed 'em.  Simply challenging us to listen to W's speech is kinda weak.  Not answering our commentary on it is just rude.

PS - What did you think about the speech, and why?

[Horab Fibslager]

an open mind is for the weak of spirit mind and soul.

i'm quite empty minded, as it is the empty mind that is the wellspring from which creation springs.

or soem crap. now wtf did i put my pipe. and wtf am i up at 8am on my weekend?

[LMNO]

Dude, it's Monday....

[Horab Fibslager]

dude, it's my weekend!

what kind of discordian are yall, that have weekends on the weekend?

[LMNO]

::smacks horab in the teeth with corporate America::

[Cain]

All of corporate America?  Thats harsh dude.  I mean, Im on a 14 day weekend, that would mean I get the entire capitalist system in the teeth.  And no-one is that strong.

[Horab Fibslager]

j00 wi11 ph34r my monday/tuesday weekend!!!!!!!

[LMNO]

Of course, that means when the rest of his friends have the day off, horab has to work...



But that shouldn't pose a problem, as horab obviously must not have any friends...