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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7JgfB8PaAk

This terribly irritating, constantly nose, ear and hairpicking Slovenian yodel with his speech impediment and his atrocious accent (sort of like mine, TBH) has pretty much sold me on this. Which leads me to wonder whether there are non-political alternatives to unbridled capitalism.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 04:21:13 pm »
Zizek.  :lulz:

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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2018, 04:29:02 pm »
Okay, I'm willing to go along with that hypothesis, but care to explain? Your best anti-Zizek rant, please. I mean if you have the time. He does talk some crap, but what I like about him is that he doesn't even try to develop a consistent position, which, I think, is very Discordian. And I think in this particular video he's right.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 04:33:33 pm »
Okay, I'm willing to go along with that hypothesis, but care to explain? Your best anti-Zizek rant, please. I mean if you have the time. He does talk some crap, but what I like about him is that he doesn't even try to develop a consistent position, which, I think, i very Discordian.

What?  No.  If I am going to rant, I am not going to waste my time on that particular gobshite.  It would be like ranting about Alex Jones or Julian Assange.
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, shattered underpance lies,
With blown elastic, and exploded back,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Doktor Howl, Spag of Spags:
Look on my ass, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 04:49:56 pm »
Okay, then just your main complaint in 30 words or less. Please.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2018, 05:35:19 pm »
All you need to know is that Zizek is a “Freudo-Marxist.”

To really simplify it enough that anyone can easily recognize the issue here, he thinks Freud’s coke addled brain diarrhea should be used to inform governance of a communist state.

Everything such a person says is worth no more than dogshit on a hot sidewalk. Sadly, you stepped in it.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2018, 06:03:33 pm »
Perhaps this analysis is not nuanced enough. :)
His diverse fields of study include psychoanalysis (Freudian and other types, he claims to be a "card-carrying Lacanian") and Marxist thought (I think he primarily agrees with Marx's analysis of the malaise of capitalism, but seems to have no illusions about the 20th century state-corporatist capitalist dictatorships that paraded as attempts at communism, later socialism). But what he is saying here, namely that the three main directions of leftist criticism of capitalism are equally defunct and incapable of offering a workable alternative to the rampant corporatist, systemically corrupt, wealth-extracting, inequality-generating capitalism we seem to be riddled with, appears solid to me.

Also, I think this "X was fond of cocaine and hence everything X has said is worthless shit" type of reasoning is a bit rich.

I also offer for your consideration these two short articles:

https://medium.com/@joe_brewer/the-pain-you-feel-is-capitalism-dying-5cdbe06a936c
https://medium.com/@joe_brewer/the-pain-you-feel-is-capitalism-dying-5cdbe06a936c

I am leaning towards the view that there are viable alternatives to capitalism, only they are not political ones.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2018, 06:07:37 pm »
Lots of intelligent people have said great things while using coke. Freud is not one of them. He was a musty misogynistic trash fire, and has never been anything but. If you think his work has any value outside of mockery, you are beyond hope.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2018, 06:27:18 pm »
Also, your two links are identical.

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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2018, 06:30:37 pm »
Lots of intelligent people have said great things while using coke. Freud is not one of them. He was a musty misogynistic trash fire, and has never been anything but. If you think his work has any value outside of mockery, you are beyond hope.

I agree he was a rather unsavoury character, misogynistic and authoritarian (his treatment of Reich, another interesting nutcase, is particularly hard to forgive) - and yet his contribution has shaped our culture so massively that he cannot be ignored. His notions of the mechanisms of the human psyche were crude and opinionated and often wrong, but he was onto something with the talking cure. I am not beyond hope.
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Re: Why There Are No Viable Political Alternatives To Unbridled Capitalism
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2018, 06:31:28 pm »
Also, your two links are identical.

Quite right, I fucked up there, thanks for pointing it out.

I meant this one for the second one:

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/systems-of-wealth-hoarding-hide-in-your-mind-bc5998934931
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