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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2019, 12:02:31 pm »
What a surprise, RWHN starting another drug thread.

Because he's not a tedious fanatic or anything, oh no.

Rules say we boot him again, but I'm not sure I can be arsed.  It's 43C out there.

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I just like to drop in from time to time to see how you spags are doing.  Despite our differences over the years, Iím still fond of you fuckers. :) 

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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2019, 12:05:13 pm »

Do we collectively have the energy to get to 100 pages? I'd be surprised if we get to 10 pages...

Maybe the real question is how batshit insane RWHN still is, since those sort of threads were about 50% his own personal contribution and the other 50% everyone chipping in.

Like, the Nigel thread was like 3 pages? We're getting old  :sad:

Yeah, thatís not gonna happen, I donít have it in me anymore.  I mean, IRL, after all the death threars Iíve received because of my work, itís just kinda not thqt interesting to get all wrapped up into a message board thread.

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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2019, 02:53:18 pm »
Social rights follow social laws,
You have that backward.  A group of humans develops a shared set of values or morality, decide that they have certain rights, and then create laws to protect those rights. (Ostensibly, anyway.  Reality is messy).

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physical rights follow physical ones.
No.  Physical laws are a different concept than human laws.  Physical laws are a way by which humans try to describe how the world around them works.  If (when) they describe the world wrong, that doesn't change the reality.

"Rights" have no meaning when regarding raw physical processes.  A politician can declare that people with a certain ethnicity shouldn't have the right to free speech, and send the police to beat them to a pulp for speaking out.

But how do you try to apply the idea of rights to a single atom?  It can't make choices, has no autonomy, no illusion of free will.  It doesn't care if you lock it in a cage, smash it into quarks, or let it free to wander the cosmos.  These actions may have moral consequences at human scale, but nothing you can do will infringe on the rights of the atom.  It hasn't any.

Trying to apply rights to inanimate objects, or processes, is projecting a human concept into a domain where it simply doesn't apply.


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I was antropomorphizing all the way. I even kept referring Sarin as they.
You know "anthropomorphize", but you don't know "raison d'etre"?

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I may be braindead,
Well, they say acknowledging it is the first step.

P.S. you are claiming that bad things don't have right to exist when all the evidence points the other way.
No, I'm not claiming that.  You have claimed that all molecules have a right to exist, and I am claiming *that* is equivalent to condoning the production and use of chemical weapons.  Just because I say you're wrong, doesn't mean that I think the opposite of what you are saying is true.

I think that ascribing a moral value (like the right to exist) to a chemical is absurd.
"When I say 'engineering', I have unreasonable expectations.  It must - as you know - look good in PADS AND give you plenty of help ducking and weaving in meetings.  But it must also, at some distant point in time, function.  If it does not, then you must accept that you are not in fact an engineer but instead an MBA.  Hang your head in SHAME, sinner!"

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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2019, 05:12:03 pm »
*some incoherent babble*
If you say that the concept of social laws is detached from the physical laws then why, for the love of Eris, do they use the same word? I'd argue they map onto each other quite well. Molecule with no right to exist would be physically impossible according to the physical laws we choose to use to describe the world. The reality doesn't give a shit if it has to break those laws when they are bullshit.

So an atom, according to the human concept of laws we apply to it, has a right to move around, hang out with other atoms, decay, exchange electrons around, and other shit I'm not aware about because I'm no atom lawyer. Likewise atom has no right to exceed the speed limit of teleport long distances. It still may be able  so that, but won't when the stupid humans making rules for them are watching.

I know this seems to fuck up my first "argument" because now there would be countless prohibited atoms, but chemical weapons wouldn't be among them. Luckily, being clinically stupid has an added benefit that I can subscribe to any legal model of physics of my liking.

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2019, 05:51:45 pm »
Modest Proposal: Drugs are a tool of The Machine, and ergo, Rich White Guys in Suits(tm), to scam money from the poor.

Convince me that Iím wrong.

To address the original post.  Yep, absolutely (assuming we are talking about recreational drugs). However I would restrict that to illegal drugs.  Alcohol is a crafted product, there is a rich history and art attached to it.  Although people can certainly have problems with it and companies sell garbage to people that problem exists with any product.  Weed is now legal enough that a respectable quality business community has grown up around it.  The same is true of tobacco, although that industry is dominated by garbage, in high tax states like Washington quality brands like American Spirit control a significant portion of the market.  The black market is, of course, controlled by organized crime and corrupt government agencies, but that's easy to fix.

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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2019, 06:11:43 pm »
I'm thinking less about the addiction part, and just purely the consumption part.  Pareto principle applies to licit and illicit.  Most of your consumption is from 20% of consumers, who tend to be daily users of [insert drug], so that is where these companies make most of their money.  Of course, that's markets as a whole.  I would expect in, say, the craft beer industry, Pareto probably doesn't apply, and is more likely the inverse, just because of price, etc. 

Interesting topic. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2019, 07:30:46 pm »
*some incoherent babble*
If you say that the concept of social laws is detached from the physical laws then why, for the love of Eris, do they use the same word?
There is no law that says a word must mean the exactly the same thing in different contexts.
Attend a class in highschool physics, and you will learn that words like "energy", "power", and "momentum" have more rigorous meanings in a scientific context, which sometimes don't reflect how they are used in day-to-day language.
"When I say 'engineering', I have unreasonable expectations.  It must - as you know - look good in PADS AND give you plenty of help ducking and weaving in meetings.  But it must also, at some distant point in time, function.  If it does not, then you must accept that you are not in fact an engineer but instead an MBA.  Hang your head in SHAME, sinner!"

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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2019, 08:24:26 pm »
*some incoherent babble*
If you say that the concept of social laws is detached from the physical laws then why, for the love of Eris, do they use the same word?
There is no law that says a word must mean the exactly the same thing in different contexts.
Attend a class in highschool physics, and you will learn that words like "energy", "power", and "momentum" have more rigorous meanings in a scientific context, which sometimes don't reflect how they are used in day-to-day language.
I was pretty good at highschool physics before DRUGS.
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« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2019, 10:00:09 pm »
"Daisy had syphilis, Tom died of genital warts, and Nick Carroway watched it all in mounting horror, then made off with the silverware and the maid."
~ The Good Reverend

Ecclesiastes 2:14, JACKASS.

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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2019, 10:16:46 pm »
*some incoherent babble*
If you say that the concept of social laws is detached from the physical laws then why, for the love of Eris, do they use the same word?
There is no law that says a word must mean the exactly the same thing in different contexts.
Attend a class in highschool physics, and you will learn that words like "energy", "power", and "momentum" have more rigorous meanings in a scientific context, which sometimes don't reflect how they are used in day-to-day language.
I was pretty good at highschool physics before DRUGS.

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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2019, 02:21:37 am »
I'm thinking less about the addiction part, and just purely the consumption part.  Pareto principle applies to licit and illicit.  Most of your consumption is from 20% of consumers, who tend to be daily users of [insert drug], so that is where these companies make most of their money.  Of course, that's markets as a whole.  I would expect in, say, the craft beer industry, Pareto probably doesn't apply, and is more likely the inverse, just because of price, etc. 

Interesting topic.

The legal weed market is pretty similar to the craft beer industry, at least in WA where I live.  It's also dominated by small businesses because of the restrictive federal laws.

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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2019, 07:23:21 am »
 :lulz:
*some incoherent babble*


Okay, written off.
Come on, I didn't even bypass their points!

*some incoherent babble*
If you say that the concept of social laws is detached from the physical laws then why, for the love of Eris, do they use the same word?
There is no law that says a word must mean the exactly the same thing in different contexts.
Attend a class in highschool physics, and you will learn that words like "energy", "power", and "momentum" have more rigorous meanings in a scientific context, which sometimes don't reflect how they are used in day-to-day language.
I was pretty good at highschool physics before DRUGS.

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It's true tho. I got good grades, but then I did a year glued to my bong and used more MDMA and shrooms than my brains, and now all the knowledge about science stuff I couldn't discuss with my druggie friends are gone. I know many more black metal bands tho, so maybe it evens out.
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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2019, 02:04:12 pm »
Fuck off, you tedious cretin.




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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2019, 02:23:15 pm »
Okay, written off.
Come on, I didn't even bypass their points!
Of course you did.  You skipped past most of them.  I don't think you understand that a random response does not constitute an argument.  But I hate repeating myself in a written forum, and it's not as if I could compel you to answer, anyway.

Regardless, I've come to a pretty good understanding of how you think, so there's no point in my spending any more time on you.
"When I say 'engineering', I have unreasonable expectations.  It must - as you know - look good in PADS AND give you plenty of help ducking and weaving in meetings.  But it must also, at some distant point in time, function.  If it does not, then you must accept that you are not in fact an engineer but instead an MBA.  Hang your head in SHAME, sinner!"

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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2019, 02:58:34 pm »
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Okay, written off.
Come on, I didn't even bypass their points!
Of course you did.  You skipped past most of them.  I don't think you understand that a random response does not constitute an argument.  But I hate repeating myself in a written forum, and it's not as if I could compel you to answer, anyway.

Regardless, I've come to a pretty good understanding of how you think, so there's no point in my spending any more time on you.
Oh that was an argument? I thought you just randomly picked on my irresponible choice of words, and started accusing me of being a mass murderer. I just try to defend myself but as I haven't been coached on the correct way to argue, all I can do is to spew bullshit. Besides admitting being wrong of course, but that would've been BORING.

Was fun anyway, thanks!

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