Presidents say stupid things

[Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy]

I don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.

oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.

Peace, and love are pretty fucking chaotic, and the metaphysical teachings of Discordianism require at least minimal amounts of understanding. I don't think hippies and Discordians are mutually exclusive.

Thanks

[gnimbley]

Where has myopic nationalism gotten us?

Ironically, back in the 18th, or maybe 19th, century, nationalism was
a revolutionary force. People began bonding with each other because
of their shared heritage and became a force that threw off some of the
bonds of their oppressors. Sadly, as has always happened, the "elite"
found a way to co-opt and exploit it to the point where it is just another
tool of oppression.

Being overly cynical, however, can land you in the situation we are in today.

It could be that, instead of cynicism, our situation today is the result
to being overly optomistic. People actually believed that George W. Bush
would make things better for them. They actually believe that electing
some politiciam will make a difference. So they go along with the
scheme, believing that someday, somehow, someone will make the
right decision and their exploitation will end.

There will be no revolution.

Sadly, this is true.

And the fact that you think anyone as pure-hearted as John McCain could ever get past the primaries in today's G.O.P. is quaint.

I love the use of the terms "pure-hearted" and "quaint." What a fantasy
world we live in when these terms can be used to describe politicians
and politics. (Soory. Nothing personal. Just found them, ah, touchingly
"quaint.")

[East Coast Hustle]

sadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him. I'd love to see him run as a 3rd party candidate, but he seems to feel some unfortunate loyalty to the GOP. I agree that Hillary is the wrong choice for the Dems, but I still think it's about 50/50 that they're dumb enough or deperate enough to run her anyway. Unless someoen comes out of the woodwork, the only other real choices are Kerry again, Edwards, Biden, or Vilsack.

Kerry = preoven loser

Edwards = all style, no substance, and probably more likely in '12 than in '08

Biden = might make a good president, in the same way that I think Nixon was a good president. A pompous windbag with zero integrity, but would probably be able to push some meaningful legislation through. Tendencies towards being a pompous windbag will probably relegate him to 3rd in the primaries.

Vilsack = Don't know much about him. Seems like the right temperament and personality to be electable, but stuck with a funny name.

If I'm missing anyone, please feel free to add to the list. Given those 4 as the potential other choices, I'm guessing they'll run Hillary. Lots of idiots will vote for her just because her last name is Clinton, and lots of others will vote for her because her last name isn't bush.

[gnimbley]

You are only listing Senators, which means you are missing everybody.

If the Dems are serious about winning the White House they will run
a governor. Senators have a really difficult time winning the White House.
I think it is because they have to take stands on national issues in
Congress. And, because of the way legislative bodies work, you end up
voting for and against everything. Therefore - as Kerry discovered - you
can be accused legitimately of taking the wrong side on everything,
regardless of what side that is. If this had been peace time, I am sure
they could have found enough votes by Kerry to brand him a warmonger.

The last Senator I can remember being elected was Kennedy. And he
was barely a Senator, having been in office only a couple of years (if
memory serves.)

Governors don't take position on national issues. Therefore, when they
run they can take any position on anything and get away with it. Bush,
Clinton, Reagan, the whole lot, ran as outsiders with no dirt from
legislative voting and won. Senators like Hillary and Biden, etc. are
doomed.

Why do you think the GOP wants to run Ahnold?

[East Coast Hustle]

Vilsack = governor.

as I said before, if the GOP gets to run Arnold, then the Dems would be able to run Jennifer Granholm, who might be one of their more electable members.

[gnimbley]

Sorry. Don't know most politician names. Was just assuming.



Maybe if I watched TV I would know this stuff, huh?

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

Presidents R all n00bisses anyway.

[Ghost In The Machine]

sadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.

We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.

And yet he fawns all over these guys.

McCain is a whore.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

sadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.

We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.

And yet he fawns all over these guys.

McCain is a whore.

It ain't his fault. He is a slave to the 'METHod.'

[Ghost In The Machine]

sadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.

We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.

And yet he fawns all over these guys.

McCain is a whore.

It ain't his fault. He is a slave to the 'METHod.'

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.

[Ghost In The Machine]

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.

No, it isn't.  The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.

Long before your time, I suspect.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.

No, it isn't.  The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.

Long before your time, I suspect.

Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.

[Ghost In The Machine]

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.

No, it isn't.  The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.

Long before your time, I suspect.

Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.

No, Nixon wasn't.  He didn't have TIME.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.

It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.

No, it isn't.  The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.

Long before your time, I suspect.

Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.

No, Nixon wasn't.  He didn't have TIME.

That boy was on the snake, dads.