The TROOF about Discordians.

[LHX]

tho this is not a definition of discordian

it is becoming (painfully) apparent that being trapped in a special part of hell
comes along with the discordian point of view

the whole self-defeating sentiment about 'i havent got off my ass' is starting to lose weight
the alternative to getting off your ass appears to be getting your ass blown to smithereens
or
'getting lost'

trapped
if we are going to acknowledge the machine and all its subtle attributes
we lose the innocence of being able to say 'but you havent tried anything'

this is not a suicide bomber discussion forum
nor is it a happy-slappy-fun-place

it is a waiting room
possibly until column a and column b cancel each other out



and while here in the waiting room
it looks like a lot of us got different hobbies
some take theirs more serious than others

[LMNO]

1. Re: Creation, destruction, etc:

For further explaination, see "The New Chart" thread, buried around here somewhere.

2.  If we're all doomed, as TGRR keeps telling us, and if the ride is better than the destination, as TGRR also recently told us, why shouldn't we have fun while we're at it?

[BADGE OF HONOR]

ya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

[LHX]

ya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

true

[renko]

ya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured. We should have sympathy and agreeability and love, those are all good qualities. you shouldnt be a complete jerkoff just so your "different" or whatever. Thats not accomplishing anything. I say if the principia has one overall message its not to be serious but to be funloving and light-hearted. Your making us sound like assholes and eris knows there are enough assholes in the world.

Plus, if ya really wanna change things, then youve gotta have some credibility amoungst people, and you instantly lose credibility with most if you lack sympathy, agreeability or love.

Im agreeing with seer here. Although Im not as into the spiritual aspect, I agree that the world is run by religious people who follow, strict, and completely insane dogmas that they will never deviate from. The USA is one step away from a theocracy. For every kid in my school that I make question their faith, or at the very least, see that atheists arent evil immoral people, thats one more point for our side and one less for the impending theocracy.

So, in short, lighten up. Dont be a jackass just becuase you dont want to go by the laws of what society tells you is appropiate conduct. Show some goddamn empathy for other people.

You missed the point.  The whole entire point.  The point is not to be laid-back, fun-loving, and to shoot rainbows out of your ass.  The point she is a Goddess of CHAOS and STRIFE.  You have both Constructive and Destructive Chaos.  Sure, sure, sure, that includes love and light, but don't try to limit it to love and light.  Experiance the whole fucking range of emotion.

And, fuck society.  Somehow I think some of the people remaining silent on this topic (Death to Poultry and She Who Eats Souls come to mind) would agree, at least on some level.  Both of them, while nice and polite when appropriate will still tell you to go KYSNFTB (or better yet, let someone else do it) if you step out of line.  It's just a bit harder to get them to say it.  

If you really want to change things, you're going to stand up and make a riot.  Not sit on your ass agreeing that "yes, something needs to be done"  or, "ohh, I feel so sorry for those thousands of kids that DIE OF STARVATION every day, but I want to buy a new CD so they can starve."  That's called being a fat-shit.  If you think anything is going to change through agreeability and sympathy, you've got your head screwed on the wrong way.

Love is certainly an important component to changing something, but not the kind you mean.  It's a tough love, that is dedication not a, "I love everybody" while tripping on mushrooms or whatever spiritual nonsense is getting you through the day.  A labour of love requires commitment and sacrifice.  Not empty words about what is wrong or right in the world.

[/quote]

Well I think this PD quote sums up this whole arguement "This book is a mirror"
But I will continue to argue my point:
I dont belive in a literal eris. I doubt you do either. Shes may be the godess of Chaos and Strife, but thats irrelavant, she just represents one end of the spectrum, the eristic side. But as the five fingered hand, the hodge podge, and the little creation/destruction chart all depict: Eristic values are not the only thing neccesary. The PD expects that you already know alll about the Aneristic side of things, becuase thats what the entire rest of the world is. Its introducing you to the other side of the coin: eris, so you can realize that both sides are equal and reject the destructive parts of each. I quote the PD "But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder." just check out page 00063, its all right there.
So see, no destructive parts are neccecary. all creative.

[East Coast Hustle]

wow.

thanks for quoting that insipid little pamphlet to us as if it were dogma.

0/10

[renko]

wow.

thanks for quoting that insipid little pamphlet to us as if it were dogma.

0/10

which quote? the mirror thing? I was just makin the point that No matter what you read you interperate it to mean what you already thought. I dont think anyone has been profoundly changed by the principia. We all are just using the PD back up ideas we already had. Thats what this arguement. is all about.

And the other quote I used is there because it sums up all of discordianism for me. Thats my favorite page of the PD. I dont think its dogma, I just agree with it and it seems to back up my point. I offered it up as a point, but not an irrefutable one

[Z³]

I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

[renko]

I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

ITs not very discordian to take yourself seriously, but it is very discordian to debate. Disagreeing and argueing are very discordian things.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

I DISAGREE!!!1

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But if eris is the spirit in which children and clowns frollic, is there not some form of happiness to be sought?

She isn't.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As an optimist I say that is false, and I am called mindless and misguided? I find that odd. What keeps you alive if the machine is only going to crush you and spit out your bones?

In TGGR's case, pure raw vengfull hatred. In mine, ascthetics, and a few other principles. Plus, the anticipation of "The Lemmings at the Cliff".

plus
the inability to die


(FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK)

Tell me about it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

1. Re: Creation, destruction, etc:

For further explaination, see "The New Chart" thread, buried around here somewhere.

2.  If we're all doomed, as TGRR keeps telling us, and if the ride is better than the destination, as TGRR also recently told us, why shouldn't we have fun while we're at it?

I have ALWAYS said that we should get our yuks in while we can.

I, for one, prefer to get MINE at the expense of the shitheads who got us into this mess (and that means EVERY-"BOB"DAMN-BODY).

[The Good Reverend Roger]

ya, Im disagreeing. I guess I interpreted the principia differently. The way I see it Discordians are more laid back, easy going, and good-natured.

That is because the PD was written by a couple of hippies.  In the (paraphrased) words of Hunter S Thompson, the hippies managed to peel back the skin of reality, but they couldn't handle what was lurking underneath.  This is why nobody's going around blowing rainbows out of their asses any more, because they last about as long as a cow in a piranha tank.  

Nobody who lives in this day and age can ever be as optimistic as Thornley and the other dude, whatever his name is, and we can't prance about giving people daisies and raspberries.  It is time to be a shark among sharks, cause all the goldfish have long been eaten.

THIS IS THE CORRECT HELL-IN-A-BUCKET.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm reminded of the original jihad against 'serious discordians'. Hard to believe that discordians would take anything, let alone themselves, very seriously.

ITs not very discordian to take yourself seriously,

but it is very discordian to debate.

Disagreeing and argueing are very discordian things.

1.  Sez who?

2.  Actually, it's very discordian to burn down the cities of those that disagree with you.

3.  See #2.