the triumph of maybe logic (?)

[LMNO]

I agree.  It might be semi-passive, but at least it's somewhat intellectually agressive/active.

How's them Hashashim doin, anyway?  any more quotes from my man, Hassan i Sabbah?

[Cain]

I prefer Sinan myself...he scared the hell out of Saladin, not an easy thing to do.  Here is the site http://www.alamut.com/subj/ideologies/alamut/secDoctrines.html

Very interesting place, I'm not too certain about all the sources, but its definitly worth a look or too.

[LMNO]

Ok, I'll give you Sinan, but still, Sabbah was one of us:


"He had a fine mind, an excellent knowledge of theology, and evidently possessed the phenomenal strength of will necessary to pursue his ideal for so many years... We can imagine him converting the people of Daylam just as he had himself been converted, by patiently digging away at a potential proselyte's religious doubts until they were strong enough to admit the possibility of an alternative."

[Cain]

Oh yeah, I just like the idea of living in the mountains and threating powerful people, like Bin Laden does.  

If you find it, there is a section on there about the nine degrees of the Assassin order, explaining in a convuluted, though probably quite successful way how to "think for yourself, schmuck".  I think that was probably an invention of Hassan.

[LMNO]

Yeah, I'm reading it now.

You can be sure Crowly knew about this.


That old faker.


BTW, some of the quotes are from books that have been found to be dubious, at best, such as Holy Blood, Holy Grail.  So don't forget the Pentabarf (not that you would).

[Cain]

Oh yeah.  I think I can go one better than that book though The Necronomicon and Ancient Arab Magick.  Now there is a book I wouldnt trust unless I found it in the fiction section.  In fact, I may start a new thread on this, if I can think of an original point.  Its an interesting topic.

[LMNO]

Btw, I think I'm gonna start using the word "Khadhulu" to describe myself and my actions.  I like it.


"Khadhulu is the Arabic word meaning 'abandoner' or 'forsaker'... Khadhulu is a type of spiritual force that powers the practices of Tafrid and Tajrid. These are exercises that are used to transcend (abandon) normal cultural programming. The idea is that by transcending (abandoning) Dogma and fixed beliefs a person can see reality as it is. Khadhulu is stimulated by the Nafs (breath or soul). The stimulated 'abandoner' then causes the Hal or spiritual state."

[Cain]

I just want to run around with golden daggers in the desert and call myself Sheikh.  And take drugs, can't forget the drugs...

[LMNO]

I just want to run around with golden daggers in the desert and call myself Sheikh.  And take drugs, can't forget the drugs...

Well, yeah...

[LHX]

this thread went from being a piece of shit to being interesting

nice

[hooplala]

Actually I think it went from interesting to a piece of shit and back to interesting again.

I guess Vico was right after all.

[Cain]

We are artistes, after all.

[LMNO]

We are stoned and running around the desert with golden daggers, after all.

Edited for clarity.

[Cain]

But we do it with style, and thats all that truly matters.

[LMNO]

Indeed.