I didn't vote for him, I don't like him very much. He didn't even go into any detail and is still not going into detail on his plans for the future of the US. I don't care for him at all. I just have to salute him now. I am in the Navy and I am going to try to get posted near Japan.
Since when has ANY president gone into detail about what they're doing?
A) the guy's been a little busy with this bailout/handout/stimulus shit that he inherited so it's gonna take a little time for him to get around to other things.
B) i don't think it would be wise for any president to publicly point out exactly what the plans are for anything until those plans are in motion. press goes further than just our country and if the wrong people get their hands on any kind of plan before it's put into place it could complicate things quite a bit don't you think.
give the guy a break, it hasn't even been a complete month yet since his inauguration and there's so much work to be done. so much fucking work. i personally would NOT want to be in that guy's shoes right now with everything that's on his plate, but i would like to do whatever i can as a normal civilian to help him out should the occasion arise.
that's all i really have to say about it.
I'd like to hear why OP thinks this is not an improvement on the situation.
I can't say whether the new guy will do a good job, but he has at least restored the dignity of the office by not being a pod people.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 02:28:54 AM
I didn't vote for him, I don't like him very much. He didn't even go into any detail and is still not going into detail on his plans for the future of the US. I don't care for him at all. I just have to salute him now. I am in the Navy and I am going to try to get posted near Japan.
I voted for him because if we elected Palin, we'd never be able to look Europe in the eye again. However, I trust him as far as I could throw Dennis Hastert, and I eagerly look forward to watching him apply surprise buttsecks to America, because I hate this country and want it to fail. I have felt this way since I woke up one morning and realized that my entire time in the military was based on a lie, and that Desert Storm and Panama (not to mention Grenada, Vietnam, etc) were nothing more than
trade shows...And that I had never been defending America or mom or apple pie or the constitution or any of that bullshit, I was basically an enforcer for various corporations. Much like Teddy Roosevelt charged San Juan Hill for the glory of the United Fruit Corporation.
So fuck the future of the United States. Burn the fucking thing down, it's nothing but a horrible lie, and has been since the Adams administration.
Go Obama. Fuck these bastards in the ass.
*Pokes roger, tastes finger*
Bitter.
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:44:11 AM
*Pokes roger, tastes finger*
Bitter.
Go to bed angry, wake up angrier, that's what I say.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 04:44:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:44:11 AM
*Pokes roger, tastes finger*
Bitter.
Go to bed angry, wake up angrier, that's what I say.
Fun. But back to the topic, I'm cynical about presidents-but too young to be quite as cynical as you seem to be. I can't help but get the impression that the future will bring better days.
terminally cynical,
if the future ends up being brighter it wont be because of anything any one politician or any government did..
and if humans are involved in making this a better world i give good odds it happens because they fell ass backwards into it...
Quote from: Fomenter on February 15, 2009, 04:57:15 AM
terminally cynical,
if the future ends up being brighter it wont be because of anything any one politician or any government did..
and if humans are involved in making this a better world i give good odds it happens because they fell ass backwards into it...
On the whole, I can't dispute. But the important parts aren't the whole, in this case. People overall are murderous idiotic baboons, but on a one-to-one basis I can find common ground and get a sense of better things. I say that on the contrary, if the world is made any better it is by individuals and individuals alone.
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:49:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 04:44:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:44:11 AM
*Pokes roger, tastes finger*
Bitter.
Go to bed angry, wake up angrier, that's what I say.
Fun. But back to the topic, I'm cynical about presidents-but too young to be quite as cynical as you seem to be. I can't help but get the impression that the future will bring better days.
That was the case until about 2000 or so.
Everything trended uphill. Even the depression was a blip. World fascism? Hah! Communism? Not worried.
But there's something different, now. Can you guess what it is?
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:02:51 AM
Quote from: Fomenter on February 15, 2009, 04:57:15 AM
terminally cynical,
if the future ends up being brighter it wont be because of anything any one politician or any government did..
and if humans are involved in making this a better world i give good odds it happens because they fell ass backwards into it...
On the whole, I can't dispute. But the important parts aren't the whole, in this case. People overall are murderous idiotic baboons, but on a one-to-one basis I can find common ground and get a sense of better things. I say that on the contrary, if the world is made any better it is by individuals and individuals alone.
Balls. Martin Luther King would not have succeeded if it weren't for mass communication, and the vast collective disgust engendered by it against the policies of Jim Crow.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:05:03 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:02:51 AM
Quote from: Fomenter on February 15, 2009, 04:57:15 AM
terminally cynical,
if the future ends up being brighter it wont be because of anything any one politician or any government did..
and if humans are involved in making this a better world i give good odds it happens because they fell ass backwards into it...
On the whole, I can't dispute. But the important parts aren't the whole, in this case. People overall are murderous idiotic baboons, but on a one-to-one basis I can find common ground and get a sense of better things. I say that on the contrary, if the world is made any better it is by individuals and individuals alone.
Balls. Martin Luther King would not have succeeded if it weren't for mass communication, and the vast collective disgust engendered by it against the policies of Jim Crow.
People like MLK are the exception to the rule. It could be said with some certainty that he is part of a larger trend of stronger human rights thanks to globalization.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:03:55 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:49:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 04:44:51 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 04:44:11 AM
*Pokes roger, tastes finger*
Bitter.
Go to bed angry, wake up angrier, that's what I say.
Fun. But back to the topic, I'm cynical about presidents-but too young to be quite as cynical as you seem to be. I can't help but get the impression that the future will bring better days.
That was the case until about 2000 or so.
Everything trended uphill. Even the depression was a blip. World fascism? Hah! Communism? Not worried.
But there's something different, now. Can you guess what it is?
I'm getting tired of the word apocalypse. If it's going to happen, could it please get on with it?
Ok, I'll bite. What's different?
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:09:06 AM
People like MLK are the exception to the rule. It could be said with some certainty that he is part of a larger trend of stronger human rights thanks to globalization.
Tell it to sweatshop workers in Bangladesh.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 02:28:54 AM
I didn't vote for him, I don't like him very much. He didn't even go into any detail and is still not going into detail on his plans for the future of the US. I don't care for him at all. I just have to salute him now. I am in the Navy and I am going to try to get posted near Japan.
I voted for him because if we elected Palin, we'd never be able to look Europe in the eye again. However, I trust him as far as I could throw Dennis Hastert, and I eagerly look forward to watching him apply surprise buttsecks to America, because I hate this country and want it to fail. I have felt this way since I woke up one morning and realized that my entire time in the military was based on a lie, and that Desert Storm and Panama (not to mention Grenada, Vietnam, etc) were nothing more than trade shows...And that I had never been defending America or mom or apple pie or the constitution or any of that bullshit, I was basically an enforcer for various corporations. Much like Teddy Roosevelt charged San Juan Hill for the glory of the United Fruit Corporation.
So fuck the future of the United States. Burn the fucking thing down, it's nothing but a horrible lie, and has been since the Adams administration.
Go Obama. Fuck these bastards in the ass.
This post goes beyond awesome!
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:10:27 AM
I'm getting tired of the word apocalypse. If it's going to happen, could it please get on with it?
Well, if you're going to be that way about it, you can discuss it with yourself.
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:15:07 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:10:27 AM
I'm getting tired of the word apocalypse. If it's going to happen, could it please get on with it?
Well, if you're going to be that way about it, you can discuss it with yourself.
I just have such a hard time believing it can happen with so few provable instances of its occurrence. It's getting to be another human myth that never was. And all the people that seem to care about whether it happens or not seem more eager for it to occur, most of them misanthropes or religious.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
You seem to be under the illusion that empires have ever ended with dignity.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
See, I'm all about watching it fall into little bitty pieces, roll into the abyss, catch fire, and then realize that the insurance isn't paid up.
I mean, think about it...when you say shit like "I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss", which country are you talking about? Which America? The idea? The real estate? Or the collection of fat retards?
The idea doesn't give a damn about economics. The constitution says nothing about capitalism or the failure thereof.
The real estate, likewise, doesn't give a shit.
The fat retards can all go screaming over a cliff, for all I care.
And they are. Oh, yes. Despite Felix's blithe comments earlier about how he "wishes the apocalypse would hurry up"? Well, fuck that, it's HERE. 623,000 people lost their jobs last month alone. The month before that was 500,000. The two months before that? 300,000 each.
But NOOOOOOOOO, The Good Rev is just being melodramatic. Well, fuck you all. Tell me how melodramatic I am in six months, if you fucking can.
So long, retards. Enjoy the long drop and the fast stop.
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:23:39 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:15:07 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:10:27 AM
I'm getting tired of the word apocalypse. If it's going to happen, could it please get on with it?
Well, if you're going to be that way about it, you can discuss it with yourself.
I just have such a hard time believing it can happen with so few provable instances of its occurrence. It's getting to be another human myth that never was. And all the people that seem to care about whether it happens or not seem more eager for it to occur, most of them misanthropes or religious.
You still have a job, Felix?
Not as bad as the great depression, the height of which saw 19% unemployment rates and after which we had the greatest economical boom in our history (Due to WWII, but nevertheless).
Also, I've been doing the student thing lately and haven't been working.
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:35:06 AM
Not as bad as the great depression, the height of which saw 19% unemployment rates and after which we had the greatest economical boom in our history (Due to WWII, but nevertheless).
Also, I've been doing the student thing lately and haven't been working.
The height of the depression saw 24.1% unemployment.
And the economic boom was not solely caused by the war. Contrary to what Sean Hannity may have beamed into your head, the unemployment rate went from 24.1% in 1932 to 10% just before the war. This implies that, after the war, we had a healthy economy that could only be improved by manufacturing 6000 nuclear bombs and a strategic bomber wing or three.
Lastly, when your student thing is done, you may find that apocalypse is waiting for you behind the bleachers on graduation day.
It better be mob handed or it'll have a deadly cognitive science researcher all up in it's shit.
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:48:29 AM
It better be mob handed or it'll have a deadly cognitive science researcher all up in it's shit.
It's armed with a rescinded grant. Make your time.
Apocalypse is Every day - you just gotta know where to look :lulz:
Oh snap. I'll call DARPA and see if I can get aboard one of their wacky fucking misadventures.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 15, 2009, 05:50:27 AM
Apocalypse is Every day - you just gotta know where to look :lulz:
Apocalypse is personal. Never forget that. God is doing it to YOU...are you gonna take that shit?
Quote from: Felix on February 15, 2009, 05:51:02 AM
Oh snap. I'll call DARPA and see if I can get aboard one of their wacky fucking misadventures.
DARPA is being strangled by the Pentagon, because it needs the money for making Afghanistan safe for poppy farmers.
169% troof.
*Shrug*
People always got to do three things.
So if things get rough, I could always start a morgue/bath-house/cafeteria type business.
He's never actually run anything in his whole life and his first executive job is President of the United States. Also I think he is going to attempt to run not just the government but the private sector as well and the Stimulus will be the first of a long series of insane bills he's going to push through Congress.
About the one thing I'm hoping for is at least we might not wind up fighting more unnecessary wars. Although he might try to police the world in a more subtle way like Clinton by throwing around a few cruise missiles instead of actual ground force invasions.
So, trying to fix the economy is bad, but casually bombing people is good.
And I'm Tom Waits.
Quote from: VIDEODROME on February 15, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
He's never actually run anything in his whole life and his first executive job is President of the United States.
Good.
Quote from: VIDEODROME on February 15, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
Also I think he is going to attempt to run not just the government but the private sector as well and the Stimulus will be the first of a long series of insane bills he's going to push through Congress.
Good.
Quote from: VIDEODROME on February 15, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
About the one thing I'm hoping for is at least we might not wind up fighting more unnecessary wars. Although he might try to police the world in a more subtle way like Clinton by throwing around a few cruise missiles instead of actual ground force invasions.
Good.
I think I was kicked off my own topic. I don't know what the hell is going on any more! :|
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 02:28:54 AM
I didn't vote for him, I don't like him very much. He didn't even go into any detail and is still not going into detail on his plans for the future of the US. I don't care for him at all. I just have to salute him now. I am in the Navy and I am going to try to get posted near Japan.
So what the fuck are you personally doing about it? I thought so. STFU
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
what you seem to be missing is that he didn't START the stimulus or the bailout. it was already a-go and in place before he even came into office. bush set forth the first of the bailout before the inauguration, and if memory serves me correctly, before the elections were over(i could be wrong in that). so obama didn't start the fire, he has to figure out a way to put it out with what he's been given. capiche?
he didn't want this shit, he didn't want to have to deal with this particular shit, but he had no choice upon entering office. it was already put into place. the board was already set, he just has to figure out which pawns can be sacrificed to save the fucking king.
i give the man kudos for actually WANTING this position.
what have YOU done. hell, what have I done.
i will do what i need. will you?
He is black.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:53:32 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 15, 2009, 05:50:27 AM
Apocalypse is Every day - you just gotta know where to look :lulz:
Apocalypse is personal. Never forget that. God is doing it to YOU...are you gonna take that shit?
If god wasn't apocalysing me on a regular basis I'd be in church every day, screaming my head off, demanding service. :argh!:
I happen to like watching pennies drop.
mulatto
:troll:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:41:58 AMLastly, when your student thing is done, you may find that apocalypse is waiting for you behind the bleachers on graduation day.
Having a recently obtained (as opposed to long-standing) degree will actually decrease your chances of finding work. For a number of reasons which will no doubt sound like bitter ranting, but are actually correct.
Also, entering the work force during or in the aftermath of a recession can actually have a lifelong effect on your earnings.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 07:41:03 AM
I think I was kicked off my own topic. I don't know what the hell is going on any more! :|
Don't worry it happens a lot around here... don't take it personal
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 07:41:03 AM
I think I was kicked off my own topic. I don't know what the hell is going on any more! :|
Welcome aboard. :lol:
Leave your sense of proportion at the door.
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2009, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 05:41:58 AMLastly, when your student thing is done, you may find that apocalypse is waiting for you behind the bleachers on graduation day.
Having a recently obtained (as opposed to long-standing) degree will actually decrease your chances of finding work. For a number of reasons which will no doubt sound like bitter ranting, but are actually correct.
Also, entering the work force during or in the aftermath of a recession can actually have a lifelong effect on your earnings.
Yep. Start out low, stay low.
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 15, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
what you seem to be missing is that he didn't START the stimulus or the bailout.
He's pushing it like nobody's business, though.
Who cares who started it?
I voted for Obama, I like him, but I don't trust him of course. I do feel he is better than McCain however, and so he was the logical choice.
Well, he has the potential to do a lot of good, even in terms of massive stimulus plans. Let's say that as a group, the right-wingers who are complaining about the size of the plan and its level of effectiveness are right. Even in that case, the money going into paying people to build up utilities and public works is actually going to be used (for the most part) for generally useful stuff. This isn't making and filling in ditches. This is fixing buildings and roads and bridges, adding to libraries, upgrading the utilities.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
If that's the case, then whether or not it actually manages to bring about an end to the recession, at the very least I approve of it. Plus, even if it's being 'borrowed from future generations', if we don't have decent education and roads, chances are the future generations won't be able to pay for it anyway.
Seems like a nice-ish guy. Guess I'll adopt a wait-and-see attitude. I don't have any official opinion until he's had a year to fuck or unfuck the country.
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 15, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
Even in that case, the money going into paying people to build up utilities and public works is actually going to be used (for the most part) for generally useful stuff. This isn't making and filling in ditches. This is fixing buildings and roads and bridges, adding to libraries, upgrading the utilities.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
:lol:
They're so cute, right before you crush their dreams.
:lol:
Listen up...that money isn't being sent to particular projects when it comes to roads and bridges, etc. It's going into a fund for roads and bridges that already exists. Now, guess what happens to that fund every year? Oh, yeah. It gets used for other shit, mostly being pork, mostly doled out to whomever the Speaker last received an oral bunghole cleansing from.
On the other hand, the several million set aside for country clubs and that yacht club (I shit you not) will find its way to their respective projects with no problem. Of this I can assure you.
John Robb said it best. Emphasis mine:
QuoteThe global Depression scenario is now dominant. Here are some of the drivers:
* An utterly complete cognitive regulatory capture of the US government (the advent of the Obama administration has done nothing to change this). Regulatory capture is when monied interests take control, via cultural and mindset transfer, of the government institutions that are supposed to regulate/control them. In OODA terms, this is a loss of control over the critical orientation phase of decision making loops. As a result, a vast looting of the government's coffers is now in process.
* The D-process (de-leveraging and deflation) feedback loop is now entrenched. This is a neat term developed by Ray Dalio of Bridewater Associates (Barron's interview). The D-process is what happens (rarely) when too much debt is accumulated. Excess debt must be eliminated before growth can return. In the US case alone, excess debt load is $20-25 Trillion. Since global governments are unwilling and/or unable to wipe out the world's creditors (they've been captured), the process will drag on and on. Stimulus and bailout packages, constructed in a way to protect the wealth of the world's creditors/rentiers (looting), won't work. It will only prolong and deepen the failure as the D-process feedback loop intensifies.
* A large number of countries from Japan to Spain to Latvia are already in depressions. These failures will serve as a drag on the entire global system, catalyzing the feedback loops of the D-process.
A global depression, in and of itself, isn't the end of the world. However, it can set in motion unexpected events (black swans) -- as in how the last depression catalyzed WW2. The revisionist effort to this economic collapse isn't likely to be a surge in ideology or nationalism. Instead, we can expect an organic realignment as small groups of people form new primary loyalties (either to violent manufactured tribes or resilient communities), slot themselves into open source movements, and challenge a wheezing group of incumbent nation-states. This is a global guerrilla century.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/02/journal-the-depression-scenario.html
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2009, 10:26:38 PM
John Robb said it best. Emphasis mine:
QuoteThe global Depression scenario is now dominant. Here are some of the drivers:
* An utterly complete cognitive regulatory capture of the US government (the advent of the Obama administration has done nothing to change this). Regulatory capture is when monied interests take control, via cultural and mindset transfer, of the government institutions that are supposed to regulate/control them. In OODA terms, this is a loss of control over the critical orientation phase of decision making loops. As a result, a vast looting of the government's coffers is now in process.
* The D-process (de-leveraging and deflation) feedback loop is now entrenched. This is a neat term developed by Ray Dalio of Bridewater Associates (Barron's interview). The D-process is what happens (rarely) when too much debt is accumulated. Excess debt must be eliminated before growth can return. In the US case alone, excess debt load is $20-25 Trillion. Since global governments are unwilling and/or unable to wipe out the world's creditors (they've been captured), the process will drag on and on. Stimulus and bailout packages, constructed in a way to protect the wealth of the world's creditors/rentiers (looting), won't work. It will only prolong and deepen the failure as the D-process feedback loop intensifies.
* A large number of countries from Japan to Spain to Latvia are already in depressions. These failures will serve as a drag on the entire global system, catalyzing the feedback loops of the D-process.
A global depression, in and of itself, isn't the end of the world. However, it can set in motion unexpected events (black swans) -- as in how the last depression catalyzed WW2. The revisionist effort to this economic collapse isn't likely to be a surge in ideology or nationalism. Instead, we can expect an organic realignment as small groups of people form new primary loyalties (either to violent manufactured tribes or resilient communities), slot themselves into open source movements, and challenge a wheezing group of incumbent nation-states. This is a global guerrilla century.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/02/journal-the-depression-scenario.html
Nice.
This is why I refuse to waste time hunting jobs, beyond the necessary to secure continuing jobseeker's allowance. The United Kingdom = no longer fit for purpose. I have exactly three (3) shots at success, and they, and their flawed system, won't help me obtain any of them.
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2009, 10:32:36 PM
This is why I refuse to waste time hunting jobs, beyond the necessary to secure continuing jobseeker's allowance. The United Kingdom = no longer fit for purpose. I have exactly three (3) shots at success, and they, and their flawed system, won't help me obtain any of them.
Can't you go take your expertise to some third world shithole and be the advisor to his excellency?
That is one of the options. I mean, if you consider Australia a third world shithole. Having been to Darwin before, I certainly do.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 10:21:14 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 15, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
Even in that case, the money going into paying people to build up utilities and public works is actually going to be used (for the most part) for generally useful stuff. This isn't making and filling in ditches. This is fixing buildings and roads and bridges, adding to libraries, upgrading the utilities.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
:lol:
They're so cute, right before you crush their dreams.
:lol:
Listen up...that money isn't being sent to particular projects when it comes to roads and bridges, etc. It's going into a fund for roads and bridges that already exists. Now, guess what happens to that fund every year? Oh, yeah. It gets used for other shit, mostly being pork, mostly doled out to whomever the Speaker last received an oral bunghole cleansing from.
On the other hand, the several million set aside for country clubs and that yacht club (I shit you not) will find its way to their respective projects with no problem. Of this I can assure you.
Oh, I totally recognize that that's what typically happens. However, the proposed fund is MASSIVE. Even professional politicians probably couldn't mine all that without feeling a twinge of guilt. It's my hope that a certain amount of that actually goes into building shit that people use. Even if it doesn't, I'd prefer more of my (hypothetical) tax dollars to go into writeoffs for the west wing harem than into blowing people up. I don't find it fun to blow people up, especially when I'm just paying for it and not doing it myself.
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 15, 2009, 11:32:59 PM
Oh, I totally recognize that that's what typically happens. However, the proposed fund is MASSIVE. Even professional politicians probably couldn't mine all that without feeling a twinge of guilt..
$750,000,000,000.00 bank bailout. Nobody knows where the fuck it went.
You were saying?
Well, many politicians are perfectly capable of ignoring guilt twinges.
Still, I'd rather have my tax dollars feed a fat guy and buy him blow jobs than kill people, and although portions will be allocated to both, I'd be happy for any shift from the latter to the former.
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 16, 2009, 12:04:01 AM
Well, many politicians are perfectly capable of ignoring guilt twinges.
Still, I'd rather have my tax dollars feed a fat guy and buy him blow jobs than kill people, and although portions will be allocated to both, I'd be happy for any shift from the latter to the former.
Thanks to modern technology, they can do both.
Also, why should you put up with either?
Well, I for one am part of a group of watchdogs on education for the state of CA, and we know exactly how much of that pie is ours, for educational funding. We know Wash DC has 30 days from Tuesday to get it to Sacramento, and Sacramento has 30 days to get it to the school districts.
What we have to watch for and write against starting next week is a largescale theivery on Sacramento's part for the pork that's OURS. They need to find OTHER PORK for their evil deeds, and leave the educational community's alone. Because this is a benchmark year in CA's history, and unless we get this infusion of funds and can apply it, our educational system will finally do its last circle round the bowl.
what do you know about the reduction in the number of bus routes and their increasing walk distance as a part of school district budget cuts? in CA
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 15, 2009, 05:14:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 02:28:54 AM
I didn't vote for him, I don't like him very much. He didn't even go into any detail and is still not going into detail on his plans for the future of the US. I don't care for him at all. I just have to salute him now. I am in the Navy and I am going to try to get posted near Japan.
I voted for him because if we elected Palin, we'd never be able to look Europe in the eye again. However, I trust him as far as I could throw Dennis Hastert, and I eagerly look forward to watching him apply surprise buttsecks to America, because I hate this country and want it to fail. I have felt this way since I woke up one morning and realized that my entire time in the military was based on a lie, and that Desert Storm and Panama (not to mention Grenada, Vietnam, etc) were nothing more than trade shows...And that I had never been defending America or mom or apple pie or the constitution or any of that bullshit, I was basically an enforcer for various corporations. Much like Teddy Roosevelt charged San Juan Hill for the glory of the United Fruit Corporation.
So fuck the future of the United States. Burn the fucking thing down, it's nothing but a horrible lie, and has been since the Adams administration.
Go Obama. Fuck these bastards in the ass.
This post goes beyond awesome!
I think the designation, Country, is comparable to a Corporation especially in the modern day feudal system masquerading as a world economy. Countries can be seen as a labyrinth of conglomerations, comprised of corporations & fueled by corporate interests, bailouts, lay offs & good ole boy politics. Complete with all the mergers & acquisitions, hostile & semi-hostile takeovers, corporate raids & leveraged buyouts. Also includes the *golden parachute* for those *lucky big cats* on top of the food chain. Blackmail, greenmail, white knight tactics, Jonestown strategies & Pac-Man Defenses, it's all just 1 big crap shoot where serfs never win, they never even get to play.
The US of SNAFU? United Kingdom of Krikkit? or The New Cartesian Republic? whatever & doesn't matter what you call 'em. Same o same o Buuuuuuulllllllllllsssssssshhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttt!
& campaign promises? ah ha ha ha – Anyone who believes them ... hey & I should talk? I like to fantasize about Eris as Goddess, Roger as Rain God & well, that big rabbit too, hhhmm whatwashisname? oh yeah Harvey, but campaign promises? ah no, my imagination can only take me so far.
& Sarah Palin that *icon* of American politics? I was somewhat mollified the GOP's *new & improved Southern Strategy* wasn't enough of a con job to get her elected. (& when was the last time US
didn't have a *good ole boy* as king?)
Quote from: Fomenter on February 16, 2009, 05:01:23 AM
what do you know about the reduction in the number of bus routes and their increasing walk distance as a part of school district budget cuts? in CA
I know that the classified employees are considered more expendable than teachers, and so the bus drivers are the first to go. This means in rural areas, the responsibility of getting kids to school is placed squarely on the parents' shoulders (as opposed to sub/urban areas where there might be "normal" bus routes the kids could use), and so they are less likely to get to school in the first place.
This mostly impacts places like Central Cali where the overwhelming majority of schoolchildren come from migrant farmworker families, and their priority system is already at odds with getting their kids an education.
Quote from: Jenne on February 16, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fomenter on February 16, 2009, 05:01:23 AM
what do you know about the reduction in the number of bus routes and their increasing walk distance as a part of school district budget cuts? in CA
I know that the classified employees are considered more expendable than teachers, and so the bus drivers are the first to go. This means in rural areas, the responsibility of getting kids to school is placed squarely on the parents' shoulders (as opposed to sub/urban areas where there might be "normal" bus routes the kids could use), and so they are less likely to get to school in the first place.
This mostly impacts places like Central Cali where the overwhelming majority of schoolchildren come from migrant farmworker families, and their priority system is already at odds with getting their kids an education.
this is about to go into a meeting in our school district office, apparently several districts in the city have already passed it, they are increasing the walking distance to 1 mile (as the crow flies) meaning the kids who are walking will end up walking over a mile on city streets. there is a effort going on to get it on the news and inform the parents most of whom don't see it coming..
Quote from: Honey on February 16, 2009, 02:33:12 PM
I think the designation, Country, is comparable to a Corporation especially in the modern day feudal system masquerading as a world economy. Countries can be seen as a labyrinth of conglomerations, comprised of corporations & fueled by corporate interests, bailouts, lay offs & good ole boy politics. Complete with all the mergers & acquisitions, hostile & semi-hostile takeovers, corporate raids & leveraged buyouts. Also includes the *golden parachute* for those *lucky big cats* on top of the food chain. Blackmail, greenmail, white knight tactics, Jonestown strategies & Pac-Man Defenses, it's all just 1 big crap shoot where serfs never win, they never even get to play.
The US of SNAFU? United Kingdom of Krikkit? or The New Cartesian Republic? whatever & doesn't matter what you call 'em. Same o same o Buuuuuuulllllllllllsssssssshhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttt!
& campaign promises? ah ha ha ha – Anyone who believes them ... hey & I should talk? I like to fantasize about Eris as Goddess, Roger as Rain God & well, that big rabbit too, hhhmm whatwashisname? oh yeah Harvey, but campaign promises? ah no, my imagination can only take me so far.
& Sarah Palin that *icon* of American politics? I was somewhat mollified the GOP's *new & improved Southern Strategy* wasn't enough of a con job to get her elected. (& when was the last time US didn't have a *good ole boy* as king?)
Shit yeah.
I fucking hate the government. Plain and simple.
Quote from: Soul Sojourner on February 17, 2009, 12:25:00 AM
I fucking hate the government. Plain and simple.
What government?
Does he mean the people who keep all the really big guns to themselves?
Quote from: Cainad on February 17, 2009, 01:28:25 AM
Does he mean the people who keep all the really big guns to themselves?
Blackwater?
Idaho?
What?
Quote from: Fomenter on February 16, 2009, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: Jenne on February 16, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fomenter on February 16, 2009, 05:01:23 AM
what do you know about the reduction in the number of bus routes and their increasing walk distance as a part of school district budget cuts? in CA
I know that the classified employees are considered more expendable than teachers, and so the bus drivers are the first to go. This means in rural areas, the responsibility of getting kids to school is placed squarely on the parents' shoulders (as opposed to sub/urban areas where there might be "normal" bus routes the kids could use), and so they are less likely to get to school in the first place.
This mostly impacts places like Central Cali where the overwhelming majority of schoolchildren come from migrant farmworker families, and their priority system is already at odds with getting their kids an education.
this is about to go into a meeting in our school district office, apparently several districts in the city have already passed it, they are increasing the walking distance to 1 mile (as the crow flies) meaning the kids who are walking will end up walking over a mile on city streets. there is a effort going on to get it on the news and inform the parents most of whom don't see it coming..
Parents are usually the last to know, which is one of the MAIN reasons I advocate. I hate seeing this shit blindside the populace. But it's always how it goes down, man, always. Unless you are a jerk off like me who will go to school board meetings, meet with District superintendents, and hold teachers accountable for the teaching they do...yeah, if you are going through your motions of your life the best you can, then you can turn around and the state has raped you of your kids' education.
OH SHIT I AM DEBBIE DOWNER TODAY
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 15, 2009, 11:32:59 PM
Oh, I totally recognize that that's what typically happens. However, the proposed fund is MASSIVE. Even professional politicians probably couldn't mine all that without feeling a twinge of guilt..
$750,000,000,000.00 bank bailout. Nobody knows where the fuck it went.
You were saying?
7 billion of it went to a company who decided to give 1.5 billion of it in executive bonuses, then kicked me to the fucking curb with a hiring freeze right before I started with them.
I's burn the place down, but they rent.
Shit, only a mile? I could have taken the bus!
Of course, walking to school here may be a bit more practical than walking to school in wherever the hell you are, the only real hazard I ever faced was the trains full of nuclear waste that ran behind my school and pissed of teenagers trying to run me over.
Quote from: Soul Sojourner on February 17, 2009, 12:25:00 AM
I fucking hate the government. Plain and simple.
The only government we have is more of a dictatorship. My dear friend. I don't like being the ass in some topics but dear god! I didn't know we have a government. Some one tell me it is not so!
I am with The Good Rev. Roger here. We don't have a government.
Quote from: KC on February 17, 2009, 06:52:13 AM
Shit, only a mile? I could have taken the bus!
Of course, walking to school here may be a bit more practical than walking to school in wherever the hell you are, the only real hazard I ever faced was the trains full of nuclear that ran behind my school and pissed of teenagers trying to run me over.
hell i used to walk a mile in Canadian snow storms,
but not in CA traffic
It's not the mileage, per se. It's the incentive to get the kid to school in the first place. No bus, why go? And we're not talking a mile in a lot of these rural areas, we're talking more like 10. Which definitely makes it punitive.
Amurrica, where we really stopped giving a shit about how educated our populace is or is going to get.
i have to look it up but i think 1 mile applies to 1st thru 8th, high school mileage is 4+. kindergarten is cut completely..young children in traffic is one part, young children walking with pedos on the loose is another, kids not going to school at all is a big part..
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 15, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
what you seem to be missing is that he didn't START the stimulus or the bailout. it was already a-go and in place before he even came into office. bush set forth the first of the bailout before the inauguration, and if memory serves me correctly, before the elections were over(i could be wrong in that). so obama didn't start the fire, he has to figure out a way to put it out with what he's been given. capiche?
he didn't want this shit, he didn't want to have to deal with this particular shit, but he had no choice upon entering office. it was already put into place. the board was already set, he just has to figure out which pawns can be sacrificed to save the fucking king.
i give the man kudos for actually WANTING this position.
what have YOU done. hell, what have I done.
i will do what i need. will you?
Squid. You're hardly correct on these points. Firstly, he ABSOLUTELY voted in favour of the bailout, as an individual. Secondly, he has spent the last several weeks kicking and screaming "mo money, mo money" for the stimulus, which he fully stands behind and wishes it were much more reckless of an endeavor than congress will allow. In both cases, Obama's LARGEST financial supporters are the direct receivers of both the "bailout" and the "stimulus".
A STICK is a better presidential option than "W", no contest there.
VIDEODROME has a great opinion on this topic, couldn't have said it better.
TGRR is right on in regards to American politics being a fucking sham, his negativism (on this topic) is unfortunately a clear view.
Obama is going to lay waste to what's left of America, in lock step, for those "few" which he serves. Obama is a fucking fake, he's the "ANTI-W" tool of deception, a pawn move played perfectly by the financial institutions which comprise & arrange American politics. He's a pied piper, America's Tony Blair.
In regards to military, Obama wants America to police the world to a far greater extent, and ultimately plans a a separate military just for within U.S. borders.
But never mind, he's half black, now we can all feel good.
A) Obama, like all presidents is a figurehead. He gets a little capital and everything else is wheeling and dealing in DC. Just like Bush and Clinton and Bush and Regan and Carter and ... well you get the idea. Obama can't 'do' anything horrific unless Congress goes along with it. Just like Bush couldn't really do much of anything without Congress (hell, he even informed a subset of them, including Dems, about tossing civil liberties out the window). To think he will destroy or save America is silly.
B) The Apocalypse comes every generation. Every social order dies, sometimes it dies in a horrific blaze and takes a country or two down with it... but overall, every human that lives long enough will see their world destroyed as by fire and replaced with an alien civilization. Consider someone who is 100 years old right now, the world they see today is nothing like the world they were born into. In fact, I'd say a few worlds have experienced apocalypse in that span of time.
C) California is the 10th largest economy in the world. They don't need bailout funds, they need to fire their government and replace it entirely. The they need to spend based on income, not based on the income of Silicon Valley during the Tech Boom. I feel for the citizens like poor Jenne... but really... fuck California in the ear.
Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on February 17, 2009, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 15, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
what you seem to be missing is that he didn't START the stimulus or the bailout. it was already a-go and in place before he even came into office. bush set forth the first of the bailout before the inauguration, and if memory serves me correctly, before the elections were over(i could be wrong in that). so obama didn't start the fire, he has to figure out a way to put it out with what he's been given. capiche?
he didn't want this shit, he didn't want to have to deal with this particular shit, but he had no choice upon entering office. it was already put into place. the board was already set, he just has to figure out which pawns can be sacrificed to save the fucking king.
i give the man kudos for actually WANTING this position.
what have YOU done. hell, what have I done.
i will do what i need. will you?
Squid. You're hardly correct on these points. Firstly, he ABSOLUTELY voted in favour of the bailout, as an individual. Secondly, he has spent the last several weeks kicking and screaming "mo money, mo money" for the stimulus, which he fully stands behind and wishes it were much more reckless of an endeavor than congress will allow. In both cases, Obama's LARGEST financial supporters are the direct receivers of both the "bailout" and the "stimulus".
A STICK is a better presidential option than "W", no contest there.
VIDEODROME has a great opinion on this topic, couldn't have said it better.
TGRR is right on in regards to American politics being a fucking sham, his negativism (on this topic) is unfortunately a clear view.
Obama is going to lay waste to what's left of America, in lock step, for those "few" which he serves. Obama is a fucking fake, he's the "ANTI-W" tool of deception, a pawn move played perfectly by the financial institutions which comprise & arrange American politics. He's a pied piper, America's Tony Blair.
In regards to military, Obama wants America to police the world to a far greater extent, and ultimately plans a a separate military just for within U.S. borders.
But never mind, he's half black, now we can all feel good.
I really think Bush was a fine president, He made a few mistakes but who doesn't? I bet you that almost every president made at least one mistake that cost him something. I think you are just sponging up what the media is telling you. You have to look into the person's point of views and how much pressure he is under. Some of the bills that was past during Bush's term was vetoed by him and pass by the senate, it was not hid fault on some of the things he was blamed for.
I think the one and only big mistake he did was make the terrorist camps and cities a big crater then into a Walmart. But that is just my point of views on the subject of Bush's terms in office.
...
50 bucks says in 10 years the historians decide Bush is the worst president n History.
I make this bet the full confidence that after the wreck Bush left this country in, I will be lucky to be able to get a gallon of milk with said fifty.
Quote from: KC on February 17, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
50 bucks says in 10 years the historians decide Bush is the worst president n History.
I make this bet the full confidence that after the wreck Bush left this country in, I will be lucky to be able to get a gallon of milk with said fifty.
I'll take you up on that, if you give me 20-1 on them choosing Obama
Show aint over til the fat lady is lying in a pool of her own blood :evil:
I dunno, I don't think there is any unseating James Buchanan.
I am game for the bet too. I will even raise it to 200 bucks. I will laugh in your face when I get my money from you.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 17, 2009, 09:51:27 PM
I dunno, I don't think there is any unseating James Buchanan.
Yeah, nothing can trump civil war.
Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on February 17, 2009, 05:59:35 PM
TGRR is right on in regards to American politics being a fucking sham, his negativism (on this topic) is unfortunately a clear view.
Comforting lies are for spineless wimps.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
I really think Bush was a fine president, He made a few mistakes but who doesn't? I bet you that almost every president made at least one mistake that cost him something. I think you are just sponging up what the media is telling you. You have to look into the person's point of views and how much pressure he is under. Some of the bills that was past during Bush's term was vetoed by him and pass by the senate, it was not hid fault on some of the things he was blamed for.
I think the one and only big mistake he did was make the terrorist camps and cities a big crater then into a Walmart. But that is just my point of views on the subject of Bush's terms in office.
Holy fuck. I DO hope you're being sarcastic.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PMI really think Bush was a fine president, He made a few mistakes but who doesn't? I bet you that almost every president made at least one mistake that cost him something. I think you are just sponging up what the media is telling you. You have to look into the person's point of views and how much pressure he is under. Some of the bills that was past during Bush's term was vetoed by him and pass by the senate, it was not hid fault on some of the things he was blamed for.
That's just so completely wrong I have no idea where to begin.
Quote from: Felix on February 18, 2009, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PMI really think Bush was a fine president, He made a few mistakes but who doesn't? I bet you that almost every president made at least one mistake that cost him something. I think you are just sponging up what the media is telling you. You have to look into the person's point of views and how much pressure he is under. Some of the bills that was past during Bush's term was vetoed by him and pass by the senate, it was not hid fault on some of the things he was blamed for.
That's just so completely wrong I have no idea where to begin.
SOMEBODY had to represent the 3% approval ratings. Right? I thought it would be composed of tweakers, oil barons, and syphilitic idiots, though.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 18, 2009, 12:45:04 AMSOMEBODY had to represent the 3% approval ratings. Right? I thought it would be composed of tweakers, oil barons, and syphilitic idiots, though.
Don't forget the fundy Christians!
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on February 18, 2009, 12:48:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 18, 2009, 12:45:04 AMSOMEBODY had to represent the 3% approval ratings. Right? I thought it would be composed of tweakers, oil barons, and syphilitic idiots, though.
Don't forget the fundy Christians!
Ahem:
Quote from: MeSyphilitic idiots
The fear mongering from our leaders is reaching an all time high. They're giving us more terror then the terrorists these days.
Oh yes any moment now we will all be heading over an economic cliff if we don't do something RIGHT NOW!! even if what is proposed has little merit or doesn't make any rational sense.
We'll save America by turning into the USSR. Remind me again why we even bothered to have a Cold War or why we can't get along with Cuba.
Quote from: VIDEODROME on February 18, 2009, 02:50:50 AM
The fear mongering from our leaders is reaching an all time high. They're giving us more terror then the terrorists these days.
Oh yes any moment now we will all be heading over an economic cliff if we don't do something RIGHT NOW!! even if what is proposed has little merit or doesn't make any rational sense.
We'll save America by turning into the USSR. Remind me again why we even bothered to have a Cold War or why we can't get along with Cuba.
Something about still being embarrassed because the CIA couldn't kill Castro with an exploding seashell?
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 17, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: KC on February 17, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
50 bucks says in 10 years the historians decide Bush is the worst president n History.
I make this bet the full confidence that after the wreck Bush left this country in, I will be lucky to be able to get a gallon of milk with said fifty.
I'll take you up on that, if you give me 20-1 on them choosing Obama
Show aint over til the fat lady is lying in a pool of her own blood :evil:
Done. Have to give it till 10 years after Obama is out though.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on February 17, 2009, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 15, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 15, 2009, 05:20:27 AM
WOW I posted a good topic here. I believe that obama is not going to lead us into a time of wealth, but into a time that bead is for the super rich like bill gates. This is not the time to be doing any giving of money like what he is doing. if you give in a time of debt what do you do? make more debt of course. it is not going to be good on the part of the tax payers and I will rather die then see my country fall to depths of abyss it will.
what you seem to be missing is that he didn't START the stimulus or the bailout. it was already a-go and in place before he even came into office. bush set forth the first of the bailout before the inauguration, and if memory serves me correctly, before the elections were over(i could be wrong in that). so obama didn't start the fire, he has to figure out a way to put it out with what he's been given. capiche?
he didn't want this shit, he didn't want to have to deal with this particular shit, but he had no choice upon entering office. it was already put into place. the board was already set, he just has to figure out which pawns can be sacrificed to save the fucking king.
i give the man kudos for actually WANTING this position.
what have YOU done. hell, what have I done.
i will do what i need. will you?
Squid. You're hardly correct on these points. Firstly, he ABSOLUTELY voted in favour of the bailout, as an individual. Secondly, he has spent the last several weeks kicking and screaming "mo money, mo money" for the stimulus, which he fully stands behind and wishes it were much more reckless of an endeavor than congress will allow. In both cases, Obama's LARGEST financial supporters are the direct receivers of both the "bailout" and the "stimulus".
A STICK is a better presidential option than "W", no contest there.
VIDEODROME has a great opinion on this topic, couldn't have said it better.
TGRR is right on in regards to American politics being a fucking sham, his negativism (on this topic) is unfortunately a clear view.
Obama is going to lay waste to what's left of America, in lock step, for those "few" which he serves. Obama is a fucking fake, he's the "ANTI-W" tool of deception, a pawn move played perfectly by the financial institutions which comprise & arrange American politics. He's a pied piper, America's Tony Blair.
In regards to military, Obama wants America to police the world to a far greater extent, and ultimately plans a a separate military just for within U.S. borders.
But never mind, he's half black, now we can all feel good.
I really think Bush was a fine president, He made a few mistakes but who doesn't? I bet you that almost every president made at least one mistake that cost him something. I think you are just sponging up what the media is telling you. You have to look into the person's point of views and how much pressure he is under. Some of the bills that was past during Bush's term was vetoed by him and pass by the senate, it was not hid fault on some of the things he was blamed for.
I think the one and only big mistake he did was make the terrorist camps and cities a big crater then into a Walmart. But that is just my point of views on the subject of Bush's terms in office.
wow. I honestly thought the "dumbest statement of the week" award was in the bag.
congratulations on pulling off the upset.
Week?
LAST week, a homeless lady stopped me while I was walking through the alleys of Belltown and asked if I could spare some money because she was REALLY hungry.
I told her that I didn't have any money to spare, but I did just happen to have an apple in my bag.
"I'm allergic to those."
"oh, well, I've also got a half a sandwich."
"I'm allergic to those too."
Well, that's the homeless. They can go to food banks, but those don't carry Wild Turkey.
If it is so wrong then tell me why did almost every bill Bush vetoed got passed by congress and he got blamed for it. I think your taking what the media is spoon feeding you. Just like the obama shit. It is not a god thing to have a person running for a political office allow the hit and run media give him free Show time on the Tv. it Makes me sick thinking about how they used the Tv to get in the voters heads and made the choice on who to vote for. Would you like any examples of what I am talking about? I can get them for you with ease.
yeah I pretty much form all my opinions from stuff I see on TV. I don't really have time to think about stuff - all I do is watch TV and perform abortions.
I find DK preferable n00b material than this... wow.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 18, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
If it is so wrong then tell me why did almost every bill Bush vetoed got passed by congress and he got blamed for it. I think your taking what the media is spoon feeding you. Just like the obama shit. It is not a god thing to have a person running for a political office allow the hit and run media give him free Show time on the Tv. it Makes me sick thinking about how they used the Tv to get in the voters heads and made the choice on who to vote for. Would you like any examples of what I am talking about? I can get them for you with ease.
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:mullet:
Bush himself appointed both Ashcroft AND Gonzales to be AG.
that, in and of itself, would be enough to condemn him as a bad president.
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 18, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
Bush himself appointed both Ashcroft AND Gonzales to be AG.
that, in and of itself, would be enough to condemn him as a bad president.
Don't forget Mukasey.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 18, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
If it is so wrong then tell me why did almost every bill Bush vetoed got passed by congress and he got blamed for it.
Perhaps you can give us an example? Because Bush didn't veto ANYTHING for the first 6 years of his presidency, and he NEVER vetoed a spending bill.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 18, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
I think your taking what the media is spoon feeding you.
Actually, I base my opinion on his record. But don't let that stop the Limbaugh-isms.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 18, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
Just like the obama shit. It is not a god thing to have a person running for a political office allow the hit and run media give him free Show time on the Tv. it Makes me sick thinking about how they used the Tv to get in the voters heads and made the choice on who to vote for. Would you like any examples of what I am talking about? I can get them for you with ease.
Wait. Are you suggesting that the TV can control your brain?
But by all means, yes. Let's see some examples.
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 18, 2009, 10:57:55 PM
I find DK preferable n00b material than this... wow.
I disagree. At least Seth is making conversation, not simply announcing what a genius he is.
The fact that I strenuously disagree with his opinion and his reasoning does not put him on the same level as DK. For example, Seth has not announced that women are simply breeding tools, and that only people who study dead French syphilitics should be able to pass on their genes.
I'll also state that being a both a Bushie and a Discordian is by NO MEANS impossible. Hell, Bush did more to advance chaos than any president since James Buchanon...even if only by LMNO's Dictum (The imposition of order creates a corresponding, and larger, amount of disorder).
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 18, 2009, 10:33:55 PMalmost every bill Bush vetoed got passed by congress and he got blamed for it.
Bush's vetoes:
1. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005 (H.R. 810): sustained
2. US Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability (HR 1591): sustained
3. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007 (S 5): unchallenged
4. Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (HR 976): sustained
5. Water Resources Development Act of 2007 (HR 1495): overridden6. Appropriations: Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, 2008 (HR 3043): sustained
7. Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (HR 3963): sustained
8. National Defense Authorization Act for FY2008 (HR 1585): unchallenged
9. Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 (HR 2082): sustained
10. Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 (HR 2419): overridden
11. Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 (HR 6124): overridden
12. Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act of 2008 (HR 6331): overriddenBush vetoed 12 bills. Four of them were overridden. Four out of 12 is hardly "almost every".
Now which of these are we blaming Bush for?
(Edited to add: source (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/tp/Bush-Vetos.htm))
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
I think the one and only big mistake he did was make the terrorist camps and cities a big crater then into a Walmart.
What in the hell does it MEAN?
Quote from: The Revered Asshat on February 19, 2009, 02:05:15 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 17, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
I think the one and only big mistake he did was make the terrorist camps and cities a big crater then into a Walmart.
What in the hell does it MEAN?
I think it means he blew them up and then built Walmarts there.
But he didn't. Either one.
TGRR,
Notices that Kabul is not, in fact, a Supercenter.
I like the new president, but I worry because he seems just a little bit too good. People treat him like he's some kind of god come down to Earth, which leads me to believe that he might be :fnord: The Anti-Christ :mrgreen:
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 19, 2009, 04:12:04 AM
I like the new president, but I worry because he seems just a little bit too good. People treat him like he's some kind of god come down to Earth, which leads me to believe that he might be :fnord: The Anti-Christ :mrgreen:
Sucker.
He's worse. He's the Anti-ANTI-Christ.
Position taken, Re: Dave Brockie.
Damn! You beat me to it! :argh!:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 20, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 19, 2009, 04:45:27 AM
Position taken, Re: Dave Brockie.
Who?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Oderus-urungus-04.jpg/398px-Oderus-urungus-04.jpg)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 18, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
Bush himself appointed both Ashcroft AND Gonzales to be AG.
that, in and of itself, would be enough to condemn him as a bad president.
Don't forget Mukasey.
Ashcroft almost redeemed himself in that hospital episode though. I felt, at least.
As for Bush, he had all the failings of a militarist and none of the virtues. A sort of anti-Napoleon, his genius was in turning even the most simple conflict into a possibly debilitating combat with disasterous consequences for the US. And worst of all, he only did it for the money. Terribly small-minded, considering the position.
Apparently he and Dick Cheney are on the outs now, because Bush didn't pardon Scooter. From what I've read Cheney was hounding him endlessly about the pardon right up until their last day in office. At one point Bush just came out and told Cheney to bugger off and he wasn't going to hear of it anymore.
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2009, 04:18:00 AM
Sucker.
He's worse. He's the Anti-ANTI-Christ.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 20, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 19, 2009, 04:45:27 AM
Position taken, Re: Dave Brockie.
Who?
Dave Brockie is perhaps better known by the stage name "Oderus Urungus". He's the lead singer of the rock band "GWAR (http://www.gwar.net)". GWAR (http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X0003.html) have published at least two songs about how they don't worship Satan like other metal bands do, because they feel that Satan isn't hardcore enough for their tastes. One of these songs was entitled "Anti-Antichrist (http://www.lyricstime.com/gwar-anti-anti-christ-lyrics.html)", and it appeared on their album "
The Violence has Arrived" (The other song was entitled "The One Who Will Not Be Named", and appeared on their most recent album, "
Beyond Hell")
Related Link :fnord: (http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X0003.html)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 20, 2009, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2009, 04:18:00 AM
Sucker.
He's worse. He's the Anti-ANTI-Christ.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 20, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
Quote from: Felix on February 19, 2009, 04:45:27 AM
Position taken, Re: Dave Brockie.
Who?
Dave Brockie is perhaps better known by the stage name "Oderus Urungus". He's the lead singer of the rock band "GWAR (http://www.gwar.net)". GWAR (http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X0003.html) have published at least two songs about how they don't worship Satan like other metal bands do, because they feel that Satan isn't hardcore enough for their tastes. One of these songs was entitled "Anti-Antichrist (http://www.lyricstime.com/gwar-anti-anti-christ-lyrics.html)", and it appeared on their album "The Violence has Arrived" (The other song was entitled "The One Who Will Not Be Named", and appeared on their most recent album, "Beyond Hell")
Related Link :fnord: (http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X0003.html)
Oh. GWAR. :lol:
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
However, this all could just add up to contempt for those who haven't made it as good as he did.
That reaction often seems more common than the sympathetic one, in my experience.
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
1. Never trust a politician that comes from the Chicago machine.
2. NEVER trust a politician that comes out of said machine looking CLEAN.
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 21, 2009, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 21, 2009, 04:28:10 PM
1. Never trust a politician
fixed for brevity.
EXCEPT FOR THE ONES IN <insert your party of choice>!
IT'S THE OTHER ONES THAT LIE AND FUCK EVERYTHING UP!
my party of choice is either "toga" or "hot tub".
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 21, 2009, 07:05:57 PM
my party of choice is either "toga" or "hot tub".
That only lets the terrorists win.
Not 'lan'?
:wtf:
srsly though, parties that don't involve face-to-face physical interaction with other people (preferrably other SEXY people) ARE NOT PARTIES.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 21, 2009, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
1. Never trust a politician that comes from the Chicago machine.
2. NEVER trust a politician that comes out of said machine looking CLEAN.
oh fear not dear Roger. I don't trust him. i don't trust anybody <insert shifty eyed smiley here>
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 21, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 21, 2009, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
1. Never trust a politician that comes from the Chicago machine.
2. NEVER trust a politician that comes out of said machine looking CLEAN.
oh fear not dear Roger. I don't trust him. i don't trust anybody <insert shifty eyed smiley here>
You can trust me. I am, after all, your spiritual advisor.
:lulz:
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
I don't know who this is intended for. I haven't been spoiled nor have I had money, if any. I am a normal down to earth guy. I just am not letting my brain be wiped by the 'drive-by' media.
she was talking about Obama.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 23, 2009, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
I don't know who this is intended for. I haven't been spoiled nor have I had money, if any. I am a normal down to earth guy. I just am not letting my brain be wiped by the 'drive-by' media.
I was speaking OF Obama vs. the same ol shit we've had in office for the last EVER.
I'm not sayin you should drop to your knees and throw your panties at him if he visits your town.
I just think he's more level headed and "in the know".
n shit.
He uses technology. He understands the internet.
Progress comes inch by inch.
Karl Rove and the Heritage Foundation also understood the internet.
I do not count this as a point in anyone's favour. The more they treat it as a mahadquikcal mystery land filled with wonder and terror and series of tubes, the better. We don't want their sort hanging around here, anyway.
I forget which politician it was who used a series of terms found most prominently in The Jargon File in one of his speeches (grok and kluge among them). I found that quite funny, and apparently so did some journalist, since I read about it in a newspaper.
The fact that I cannot remember what politician it was and cannot find the article despite frantic googling on a number of occasions to me indicates how meaningful it probably was in the long run.
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2009, 09:41:25 AM
Karl Rove and the Heritage Foundation also understood the internet.
I do not count this as a point in anyone's favour. The more they treat it as a mahadquikcal mystery land filled with wonder and terror and series of tubes, the better. We don't want their sort hanging around here, anyway.
Thanks for reminding me that they are not to be treated as allies.
I slip up occasionally.
No problem.
The more the Internet stays the electronic version of frontier country, the happier I become. Plus, having politicians take an interest in the web is kinda like your dad asking you about a contemporary band you listen to. Kinda awkward and creepy, in a way you can't put your finger on.
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
No problem.
The more the Internet stays the electronic version of frontier country, the happier I become. Plus, having politicians take an interest in the web is kinda like your dad asking you about a contemporary band you listen to. Kinda awkward and creepy, in a way you can't put your finger on.
MIIIIGH PRESHHESSSS!!!
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
No problem.
The more the Internet stays the electronic version of frontier country, the happier I become. Plus, having politicians take an interest in the web is kinda like your dad asking you about a contemporary band you listen to. Kinda awkward and creepy, in a way you can't put your finger on.
I fully agree, the internet must remain lawless; mainstream values must not be allowed to overtake it!
(The optimal situation would be if the opposite happened, and the standards of culture of the web subsumed and replaced mundane offline culture...maybe....)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 23, 2009, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
No problem.
The more the Internet stays the electronic version of frontier country, the happier I become. Plus, having politicians take an interest in the web is kinda like your dad asking you about a contemporary band you listen to. Kinda awkward and creepy, in a way you can't put your finger on.
I fully agree, the internet must remain lawless; mainstream values must not be allowed to overtake it!
(The optimal situation would be if the opposite happened, and the standards of culture of the web subsumed and replaced mundane offline culture...maybe....)
1) There are plenty of IRL trolls already
2) People were talking about things that don't matter long before Facebook
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 23, 2009, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
One of the things I appreciate most about our new guy is that he isn't the same ol fat, rich white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth worth millions already with a rich ass family worth even more.
He understands the value of a dollar cause he came from bubkus.
He's on the level with the common man and has a better grasp of what we're asking for in a president.
more later possibly..
I don't know who this is intended for. I haven't been spoiled nor have I had money, if any. I am a normal down to earth guy. I just am not letting my brain be wiped by the 'drive-by' media.
No, you're letting it get wiped by Hannity, Limbaugh, and or Glenn Beck. You're even using "drive by media", one of their stock phrases.
It's a different KIND of bullshit, but it's still bullshit. NONE of these bastards are on your side. They ALL fuck you, so you decide which fucking you hate the least, and BAM! They have you, believing half of the lies.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 23, 2009, 03:03:09 AMI just am not letting my brain be wiped by the 'drive-by' media.
Wait, aren't you the one (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19737.msg664604#msg664604) who told us, despite what the facts say, that "almost every bill Bush vetoed" ended up being passed and that Bush was being blamed for the passage of bills that he vetoed? I know that's what wingnut talk radio has to say, but that's "drive-by" media, innit?
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on February 24, 2009, 12:31:48 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 23, 2009, 03:03:09 AMI just am not letting my brain be wiped by the 'drive-by' media.
Wait, aren't you the one (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19737.msg664604#msg664604) who told us, despite what the facts say, that "almost every bill Bush vetoed" ended up being passed and that Bush was being blamed for the passage of bills that he vetoed? I know that's what wingnut talk radio has to say, but that's "drive-by" media, innit?
Of course it isn't. "His side" did it.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 23, 2009, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
No problem.
The more the Internet stays the electronic version of frontier country, the happier I become. Plus, having politicians take an interest in the web is kinda like your dad asking you about a contemporary band you listen to. Kinda awkward and creepy, in a way you can't put your finger on.
I fully agree, the internet must remain lawless; mainstream values must not be allowed to overtake it!
(The optimal situation would be if the opposite happened, and the standards of culture of the web subsumed and replaced mundane offline culture...maybe....)
What you say? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D65I0HNvTDH4&ei=gWGjSY2FDJmatweWqpnbBA&usg=AFQjCNGGJEZliMpuqAIHLWNQBTg-aa4GRg&sig2=c_sTJi7zWOjo-k2yROCxgg)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
No, you're letting it get wiped by Hannity, Limbaugh, and or Glenn Beck. You're even using "drive by media", one of their stock phrases.
It's a different KIND of bullshit, but it's still bullshit. NONE of these bastards are on your side. They ALL fuck you, so you decide which fucking you hate the least, and BAM! They have you, believing half of the lies.
Quite
Fucking
True
the tricky thing is both teams (and the outlier nutballs) all have
some truths sprinkled in with their rhetoric like a spoon full of sugar to help the bullshiiiiiit goo doooooown.....
(why isn't there and
ANSIASCII character for musical notes?)
*edit for stupid*
Quote from: Iptuous on February 24, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
(why isn't there and ANSI character for musical notes?)
There is an ASCII character for musical notes, but it's generally considered a non-display-character (I think it's CTRL-G or something... A and B are smilies, and C, D, E, and F are the suits for cards. There's a sun in there somewhere too)
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 17, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
C) California is the 10th largest economy in the world. They don't need bailout funds, they need to fire their government and replace it entirely. The they need to spend based on income, not based on the income of Silicon Valley during the Tech Boom. I feel for the citizens like poor Jenne... but really... fuck California in the ear.
Would that it was as simple as the above, dude. I wish we could, but unfortunately, CA has made all sorts of dumbass decisions (like 2/3 supermajority voting and term limits) that fucked it already it in its ear.
CA,
Already as fucked as you could wish it
Quote from: Jenne on February 24, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
CA,
Already as fucked as you could wish it
Oooooohhhhh,
it'll get worse......
i would totally be this guy's friend
(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/w/A/2/obama_jedi_knight.jpg)
holy carp, Squid!
i just now realized that your avatar is not a plate of escargot....
and i was wondering what the hell someone was referring to earlier when they mentioned a bucket of owls....
Quote from: Iptuous on February 24, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: Jenne on February 24, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
CA,
Already as fucked as you could wish it
Oooooohhhhh,
it'll get worse......
Bite thy tongue, Heathen! :argh!:
No need.
I'm a big fan of gloom n' doom, and my time has come!
....
so. how's your food pantry and ammo stocks doing?
Food stocks, up. Ammo, nil. :( Husband doesn't trust his wife with guns around. (can't say as I BLAME him, necessarily...)
Quote from: Iptuous on February 24, 2009, 07:16:22 PM
holy carp, Squid!
i just now realized that your avatar is not a plate of escargot....
and i was wondering what the hell someone was referring to earlier when they mentioned a bucket of owls....
:lulz: escargot with sharp beaks and big yellow eyes!
hoooooooooooo damn that's funny :lulz:
Quote from: Jenne on February 24, 2009, 09:07:22 PM
Food stocks, up. Ammo, nil. :( Husband doesn't trust his wife with guns around. (can't say as I BLAME him, necessarily...)
hehe.
purchase him a firearm as well. You know what they say: "an armed family unit is a polite family unit!"
Everyone knows the world is lost. Water is but pulp and sewage, the air has lost substance. The clouds are getting lower everyday.
People wave around through the dark streets - leaves blown through the wind. The only illumination left is street lights penetrating down through the mist.
If I was a woman I would have to bring my rock hammer to bars. It doesn't really matter though cause there is no real dance anymore, unless you are unlucky enough to find some.
All that is left to do is to become a maniac. They're going to get to you eventually anyway, so you might as well fall deeper and deeper backwards.
People sway from one lost heart to another just so our beds never get warm. It's only through our viewership to culture that we can even define ourselves.
Everyone knows this world is lost. Desert snakes battle with the hawks through smoke, cries and blood. The sound of feet marching against the iron.
You must live for your work, that is if you could find some. Bankers and economists retire, and under trees their bubbles collapse upon those situated bellow.
If there is a voice that cuts through the soot it creates an illumination, another lamp post upon the dark street. It whispers things you need to hear, it hopes in a way everyone knows. What it means is clouded.
One Line Saviors have become an epidemic. If Jesus was among us he'd be so lost among them he probably couldn't even get enough attention to get crucified.
No matter if you follow, if you wander, if you dream, or even if you believe in a God that will save you upon your final days, you all will, in end, all perish in flames.
See this is what happens when the winter hell your in doesn't allow to go outside without freezing
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
NO WAY! it is obviously gonna be some welfare bum sitting on his front porch watching a volcano to see what happens. Bill O and Fox News told Seth so!
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
1. Apparently you haven't been reading this forum.
2. You seem to have access to the Internet. Have you ever considered using it for fact-checking, or do you just believe everything you hear on the radio? The bill that Jindal tried to claim is $140 mil for "volcano monitoring" is actually $140 mil for US Geological Survey. The ACTUAL TEXT of the bill:
QuoteUS Geological Survey
For an additional amount for ''Surveys, Investigations, and Research'', $140,000,000, for repair, construction and restoration of facilities; equipment replacement and upgrades including stream gages, and seismic and volcano monitoring systems; national map activities; and other critical deferred maintenance and improvement projects.
From http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp111&sid=cp111c6QGn&refer=&r_n=hr016.111&item=&sel=TOC_166206&
That took me less than two minutes to find. Learn 2 research instead of just parroting.
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
It
really is nice knowing that, you know, you might not want to be all up hiking (or living) on or near a volcano because it's about to erupt. We ridiculous Westerners keep insisting on living near the fucking things, and sometimes basing tourism economies on them.
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
I think he's a fucking scream.
Besides, if the GOP won the election, they'd just give all the money to Halliburton.
Quote from: Nigel on February 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
It really is nice knowing that, you know, you might not want to be all up hiking (or living) on or near a volcano because it's about to erupt. We ridiculous Westerners keep insisting on living near the fucking things, and sometimes basing tourism economies on them.
That's actually not unique to westerners. I have a photograph of my father in the 1970s taking a tour of a volcano in Japan with his grandfather (who was about 70 years old at the time).
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
This makes me :fap: and I'm not even a geologist or that into computers.
Quote from: Vene on February 25, 2009, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
This makes me :fap: and I'm not even a geologist or that into computers.
Awesome. It could probably even run Titan Quest without getting all laggy.
Seth, what do you think about fruit fly research?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXqKEs68Xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXqKEs68Xk)
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
It really is nice knowing that, you know, you might not want to be all up hiking (or living) on or near a volcano because it's about to erupt. We ridiculous Westerners keep insisting on living near the fucking things, and sometimes basing tourism economies on them.
That's actually not unique to westerners. I have a photograph of my father in the 1970s taking a tour of a volcano in Japan with his grandfather (who was about 70 years old at the time).
I was using "Westerners" in the sense that we are on the West Coast of the US, where the volcanoes are.
Quote from: Nigel on February 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
It really is nice knowing that, you know, you might not want to be all up hiking (or living) on or near a volcano because it's about to erupt. We ridiculous Westerners keep insisting on living near the fucking things, and sometimes basing tourism economies on them.
i would not be as worried about the volcanos on the pacific coast.. but there are few bordering Seattle that could do some damage... but as far as I know none of them are bulging right now... though Mt. St. Helens is back on the bulge
What I would be more interested in are huge magma chambers under Wyoming... time those things blew was a million years ago and it the volcanic ash can be traced half way across the US and since its not really a subduction zone it's completely unpredictable. The chances of them blowing though are still slim - sorry Roger
Really the most immediate concern in terms of national disasters and north america would be earthquake proof Seattle and Vancouver. Basically there is a HUGE fault under those cities, that has been locked for as long as they have been measuring. It snaps every couple thousand years (almost impossible to predict when they will snap again). Since they don't blow often the governments react slower in terms of earthquake proofing the cites, unlike California which is just a slip/fault and goes off quite a bit, but not usually above a 9 pointer on the Richter scale... Geologists have been warning the Canadian government for years about Vancouver and have only gotten nothing but promises... If we get on soon, still a little unlikely, basically Vancouver and most Seattle will look like Sumatra did a few years ago, except with more rubble
I think Seattle is starting to put in Isolated foundations and reinforced columns in new buildings-- though don't quote me on that.
I'm going to repeat was Kai said in the science forum. It's damn good to have a geologist on the board.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 26, 2009, 01:58:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: Enki-][ on February 25, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
If this is what I'm thinking of, it's actually spending 250G on a beowulf-class supercomputer that reads seizmic readings from laser-based sensors across the world and uses it to predict volcanic eruptions in faster-than-real-time using a twelve-dimensional matrix of values and simple matrix operations. This is a very valid thing to spend money on, since every time a volcano erupts unexpectedly, it is Very Bad.
It really is nice knowing that, you know, you might not want to be all up hiking (or living) on or near a volcano because it's about to erupt. We ridiculous Westerners keep insisting on living near the fucking things, and sometimes basing tourism economies on them.
i would not be as worried about the volcanos on the pacific coast.. but there are few bordering Seattle that could do some damage... but as far as I know none of them are bulging right now... though Mt. St. Helens is back on the bulge
What I would be more interested in are huge magma chambers under Wyoming... time those things blew was a million years ago and it the volcanic ash can be traced half way across the US and since its not really a subduction zone it's completely unpredictable. The chances of them blowing though are still slim - sorry Roger
Really the most immediate concern in terms of national disasters and north america would be earthquake proof Seattle and Vancouver. Basically there is a HUGE fault under those cities, that has been locked for as long as they have been measuring. It snaps every couple thousand years (almost impossible to predict when they will snap again). Since they don't blow often the governments react slower in terms of earthquake proofing the cites, unlike California which is just a slip/fault and goes off quite a bit, but not usually above a 9 pointer on the Richter scale... Geologists have been warning the Canadian government for years about Vancouver and have only gotten nothing but promises... If we get on soon, still a little unlikely, basically Vancouver and most Seattle will look like Sumatra did a few years ago, except with more rubble
I think Seattle is starting to put in Isolated foundations and reinforced columns in new buildings-- though don't quote me on that.
Yeah the earthquake thing is one we all try to ignore.
However, the volcano one is very useful. Also I insist on worrying about the volcanoes near where I live, simply because I live near them and they will certainly be an inconvenience if they pull a Helen. I mean, Adams could fuck up river commerce but good, and Hood would just fuck up everything. Especially my summer camping plans. Plus, the whole ash-cloud things sucks.
Screw ash clouds, I'm afraid of lahars.
Ya, like I said, the ones over there could definitely do some damage, cause if they go they're going to probably pull a St. Helens and blow, but I don't think they are bulging right now... though I'm not 100 percent sure. I know some people that would know more on Friday. To be honest I don't think you have a lot to worry about, but it is nice there seems to be at least some thought in monitoring them. The Japanese spend far more then proposed bill monitoring theirs, though theirs are slightly more active...
but then again I'm obviously not the governor of Louisiana
oh if your interested in the activity of the volcanoes in Washington.. just remember none of them are close to blowing so don't go in your basement and stock can food Y2K style... even Mount saint Helens is only at green alert... which means I was wrong about the bulge... look into that in the morning out of curiosity
http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/cvo/current_updates.php
how is the bulge in Yellowstone doing? last i heard it was rising at a slow but measurable pace..
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
Dumbass!
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Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:08:01 AM
how is the bulge in Yellowstone doing? last i heard it was rising at a slow but measurable pace..
I'm not even going to sweat that, because it's such a huge and unstoppable problem that if it does blow I will have no chance of survival.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 26, 2009, 06:03:45 AM
Ya, like I said, the ones over there could definitely do some damage, cause if they go they're going to probably pull a St. Helens and blow, but I don't think they are bulging right now... though I'm not 100 percent sure. I know some people that would know more on Friday. To be honest I don't think you have a lot to worry about, but it is nice there seems to be at least some thought in monitoring them. The Japanese spend far more then proposed bill monitoring theirs, though theirs are slightly more active...
but then again I'm obviously not the governor of Louisiana
oh if your interested in the activity of the volcanoes in Washington.. just remember none of them are close to blowing so don't go in your basement and stock can food Y2K style... even Mount saint Helens is only at green alert... which means I was wrong about the bulge... look into that in the morning out of curiosity
http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/cvo/current_updates.php
I stock food Y2K style under normal conditions, because I'm half Mormon. It's genetic.
Really, any of these little mountainous bitches could erupt with just a few months of warning, like Helen did. That's the thing about the Geological Survey keeping an eye on them... we at least have some warning, and can evacuate the towns that are actually ON the mountain if it looked like it was going to erupt. I mean, there was a town on St. Helen that I remember from childhood, which is now buried under however many feet of ash.
The whole place was a shambles. It didn't wreak massive damage to half the continent, but it did disrupt Pacific Northwest crops and cleanup was a fucking bitch. Plus it was all dark and shit for a week, and there was grit EVERYWHERE. Grit in my mouth and up my nose for weeks. Having SOME shot at preparation for an event like that, even just having dust masks and a week's worth of groceries made a big difference for us, I think, and it wasn't as bad as it could be if Adams erupted, or if Hood blew in a westerly direction instead of easterly like it did the last time.
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 06:23:12 AM
Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:08:01 AM
how is the bulge in Yellowstone doing? last i heard it was rising at a slow but measurable pace..
I'm not even going to sweat that, because it's such a huge and unstoppable problem that if it does blow I will have no chance of survival.
i am outside of the death circle right now and have a second place just a little bit inside of it, but i don't know how accurate that map is, i also haven't heard any geological reports in a long time saying how fast it is rising or if the rate is increasing, i am curious about the geological reports and figure dumb luck is pretty much the best shot for surviving the blast if it blows
Quote from: Felix on February 26, 2009, 06:23:12 AM
Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:08:01 AM
how is the bulge in Yellowstone doing? last i heard it was rising at a slow but measurable pace..
I'm not even going to sweat that, because it's such a huge and unstoppable problem that if it does blow I will have no chance of survival.
That's a little bit how I feel about "The Big One". I mean, should that earthquake happen during my lifetime, it will be horrible and devastating, yet there's little reason to worry about it because I can't do shit to make it not happen, and there's only so much just being prepared can do to help.
I wish i was the governor of Louisiana
Then I could predict through physic Jesus powers the exact time of every natural disasters
:sad:
One could always work really hard at stockpiling ammo, learning to hunt, getting into great shape, et cetera et cetera, but at that point apathy is just such a better deal in terms of cost/benefits.
i just watched "into the wild" last night, that kid tried solo survival and starved to death, its not as easy as it seems sitting on your couch day dreaming about what a bad ass survivalist you will be when the shit hits the fan.
Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:50:11 AM
i just watched "into the wild" last night, that kid tried solo survival and starved to death, its not as easy as it seems sitting on your couch day dreaming about what a bad as survivalist you will be when the shit hits the fan.
Yeah, that'll be it. Just me and the wild and...
:lol: I'd be dead in a week, tops.
Obama navies? Has he set up his own Sea Org already?
Well, they will have to hire and pay people to update and build the stuff. So it is creating jobs, AND potentially saving lives. It's a 2-for. Also, Redoubt anyone?
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on February 25, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Great news all you obama Navies! He just passed a Volcano watch bill that will spend more the 250mil on some dumb fuck that some how watches the volcano activity in the US. I hope you DIP SHITS are happy with our new fucking president. I know I am NOT! :argh!: :evilmad:
why do you keep insisting that we all like Obama?
I just ask because, well, you're utterly and completely wrong and it's beginning to undercut your posts in a way that makes you sound a little bit
stupid.
you're not stupid, are you?
Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:50:11 AM
i just watched "into the wild" last night, that kid tried solo survival and starved to death, its not as easy as it seems sitting on your couch day dreaming about what a bad ass survivalist you will be when the shit hits the fan.
So that dumbass had a book of native plants that said whether they were edible or poisonous, and he also had
all the fucking time in the world to figure it out before hand, but he didn't flip the page to see that he was sticking some neurotoxin in his body until he was starved nigh unto death? that
movie kid was stupid.
no doubt
there were a bunch of options he didn't even consider, he was to busy being high on the Thoreau wilderness experience to do or research common sense survival, alaska has permafrost dig a fucking hole in the ground ahead of time to preserve your meat shit for brains..
i still liked the move
also maybe study up on edible plants before starvation delirium sets in
Quote from: fomenter on February 26, 2009, 06:50:11 AM
i just watched "into the wild" last night, that kid tried solo survival and starved to death, its not as easy as it seems sitting on your couch day dreaming about what a bad ass survivalist you will be when the shit hits the fan.
This is very true, but post-apocalyptic urban community survival would be a very different scenario, and require different skills than solo wilderness survival.
The main difference, the one that improves your odds of survival immeasurably, is having shelter. Everything goes to shit here, we still have our houses and beds and blankets. The other one is other people; a group of people is far more likely to survive than an individual alone. Surviving the aftermath of a catastrophic earthquake - or of ANY natural disaster - could, and often does, come down to something as simple as having access to fresh water. Yet, how many people actually have water stored in their houses? Other than in the toilet tank?
group survival and solo survival are the primary difference, he thought he had enough food with him (stored up) to make the transition to living off the land and it proved harder and he was far less prepared than he thought he was, the same transition will be difficult (not as easy as it seems ) for groups in a city, the advantage of the group is its ability to share resources and the work load to necessary to exploit resources.
water in a city environment is the big concern, but after a time (sooner than you might expect) all the food stores in the city are going to be gone and the same transition to providing your own comes up, i feel less prepared for it than i should..
I'll take survival with a small group over independent or urban survival any day of the week. Also, if one doesn't have some sort of training in some kind of weapon, why the fuck not?! Barring the fact that an urban disaster would likely lead to situations where personal safety might be threatened... what the heck are people gonna do to get food?
Raiding the grocery store only works for so long...
It depends.
Urban farming can only provide so much food, and not enough to support the full population of a city. Unless there were a lot of deaths to thin out the population, growing and protecting food in the city could be really difficult. Transitioning *everyone* to urban farming would be a challenge, and it would take at least a year. For a while, until chicken, rabbit, and guinea pig populations increased enough for everyone to have a breeding colony, you could supplement your food stores with squirrels, pigeons, rats, and cats. Of course, I'm picturing Pacific North West cities here... I forget that a lot of cities don't HAVE the greenspace and large yards we have here. Those areas would be fucked... you'd have to leave the city to survive long-term.
Heating in winter would be a huge problem. Even if every household had a wood stove, there isn't enough wood in the city to keep them all burning for one winter. At least the new wood stoves don't pollute very much, but that much carbon monoxide can't be good. Basically, even here, long-term urban survival could only work if the population was dramatically reduced, either through plague or evacuation.
But if you're just talking about making it through a few months of upheaval following a natural disaster, with adequate preparation you should be able to do it, unless the natural disaster takes the form of fire of flood, in which case you're hosed.
The main issue is always going to be water. I have two 50-gallon rainbarrels and 7 gallons of drinking water, but that's only enough for about three weeks, for all five of us, and less if I help neighbors.
lookie here.
i think i might get a couple of these for fun:
http://www.waterbob.com
turn your extra bathtub into a hygienic water storage in emergencies. kinda like the wine in a box deal....
Also. I love how a thread on Obama has morphed into the Crazy Prepared thread! :lulz:
It makes me laugh.
Also, also. all the suckers that said Obama isn't going to push the gun control thing can suck it. His new AG is already pushing reinstating the AWB in the media.
Quote from: Nigel on February 26, 2009, 09:18:59 PM
It depends.
Urban farming can only provide so much food, and not enough to support the full population of a city. Unless there were a lot of deaths to thin out the population, growing and protecting food in the city could be really difficult. Transitioning *everyone* to urban farming would be a challenge, and it would take at least a year. For a while, until chicken, rabbit, and guinea pig populations increased enough for everyone to have a breeding colony, you could supplement your food stores with squirrels, pigeons, rats, and cats. Of course, I'm picturing Pacific North West cities here... I forget that a lot of cities don't HAVE the greenspace and large yards we have here. Those areas would be fucked... you'd have to leave the city to survive long-term.
Heating in winter would be a huge problem. Even if every household had a wood stove, there isn't enough wood in the city to keep them all burning for one winter. At least the new wood stoves don't pollute very much, but that much carbon monoxide can't be good. Basically, even here, long-term urban survival could only work if the population was dramatically reduced, either through plague or evacuation.
But if you're just talking about making it through a few months of upheaval following a natural disaster, with adequate preparation you should be able to do it, unless the natural disaster takes the form of fire of flood, in which case you're hosed.
The main issue is always going to be water. I have two 50-gallon rainbarrels and 7 gallons of drinking water, but that's only enough for about three weeks, for all five of us, and less if I help neighbors.
I agree. The cats/squirrels/rats etc are the reason I said people need to learn to use some sort of weapon... or at least how to make a snare/trap.
A few months maybe, depends on the kind of disaster, I don't even want to think about a serious for serious volcano disaster... I don't think anyone is prepared for that sort of shit.
Taking some time to learn the basic edible plants in the area, how to catch some local fauna and how to COOK should be basics that smart people have covered, just in case.... its not like you have to spend 30 years and pretend to be
Grilled Bear Bear Gills.
A good air rifle is perfectly adequate for small game hunting, plus cheap and legal, and you can easily buy enough BBs and pellets to last decades for next to nothing.
Technically, it's illegal to fire an air rifle in the city, but a few summers ago when Portland had a bad rat problem me and my friend Gwyn would sit out on her back porch sipping tea and shooting rats with our BB guns. Good times.
Quote from: Nigel on February 26, 2009, 09:39:43 PM
A good air rifle is perfectly adequate for small game hunting, plus cheap and legal, and you can easily buy enough BBs and pellets to last decades for next to nothing.
Technically, it's illegal to fire an air rifle in the city, but a few summers ago when Portland had a bad rat problem me and my friend Gwyn would sit out on her back porch sipping tea and shooting rats with our BB guns. Good times.
Yes... Of course, a good slingshot works fine too ;-)
I accidentally whacked a rabbit two summers ago with a sling. I intended to scare him away from the garden, but shot him in the brain and killed him instantly.
kosmik~smock had the poor thing cleaned and in the fridge in about 15 mins. Roast Rabbit in Ale was yummy.
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 26, 2009, 09:29:40 PM
Also, also. all the suckers that said Obama isn't going to push the gun control thing can suck it. His new AG is already pushing reinstating the AWB in the media.
:sad:
If everything collapses, I plan to only live long enough to dance on civilization's festering corpse, eat a few senators, and go out like Wes in Road Warrior.
Survival skills < Lulz.
<-- will cook senators.
(also eat)
fight ya for the hams
rob a beer store
then sell the beer for worthless, worthless money
Quote from: Squid-diddle on February 27, 2009, 02:49:48 AM
<-- will cook senators.
(also eat)
fight ya for the hams
Yours.
TGRR,
Dibs on their heads.
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Just be forewarned, they taste TERRIBLE.
senators or seagulls?
Quote from: fomenter on February 27, 2009, 03:50:25 AM
senators or seagulls?
Mmmm, seagulls with senator gravy.
Quote from: Nigel on February 27, 2009, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Just be forewarned, they taste TERRIBLE.
I expect them to taste like flying rat.
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 04:14:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 27, 2009, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Just be forewarned, they taste TERRIBLE.
I expect them to taste like flying rat.
i expect senators taste a lot like rat too
I don't think could eat a Senator. Too disgusting.
Oh also, when we descend on DC to destroy its remains, I have dibs on burning down K street.
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 04:14:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 27, 2009, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Just be forewarned, they taste TERRIBLE.
I expect them to taste like flying rat.
In my neck of the woods, they taste a lot like cod-liver-oil and sewage.
ours probably taste like stale beer and used condoms.
DELICIOUS!
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
The seagulls here are dumb as rocks, could live off them for a year before they stopped walking right up to me to grab a piece of bait.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 26, 2009, 09:29:40 PM
Also, also. all the suckers that said Obama isn't going to push the gun control thing can suck it. His new AG is already pushing reinstating the AWB in the media.
:sad:
Also, speaking of which, ammo stockpiling from Obama and economy fearing gun-nuts has not made ammo scarce here scarce here, but it has made the price shoot up almost 50%.
Who will go for food at the Humane Society with a 9mm ? :cry:
Or visit the Zoo with some shotguns?
By the time people are ready to eat dog the Humane Society and the Zoo will probably be empty.
I would eat the fuck out of some endangered polar bears.
ZOMG! Sarah Palin has hijacked ECH's account!!!!
:omg:
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 27, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
I would eat me the fuck out of some of those endangered polar bears dontchaknow
fixt for that.
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 04:14:43 AM
I expect them to taste like flying rat.
RATS OF THE SEA! titcm
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 27, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
ZOMG! Sarah Palin has hijacked ECH's account!!!!
:omg:
I thought she was more into mooses?
I believe it was wolf control from helicopters that got her the particularly bad rap....
Quote from: Iptuous on February 27, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
I believe it was wolf control from helicopters that got her the particularly bad rap....
I think it was pretty much everything about her.
I think it was that she was a nutty theocrat in the making.
That and her fucking voice.
I think it may have been that she represents all the things that will cause the US's downfall.
Quote from: Cain on February 27, 2009, 11:53:34 PM
I think it was that she was a nutty theocrat in the making.
That and her fucking voice.
and how! :D
Quote from: Iptuous on February 27, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
I believe it was wolf control from helicopters that got her the particularly bad rap....
No, I think it was the whole "Religious whackjob of the first water" that trashed her.
Short version: We're screwed.
Long venison:
It looks like the permanent campaign has become a requirement of the office, because you have to be such a total bullshit artist to get there, that your only qualification is "believes own bullshit." I imagine anyone who gets to the office these days must drink their own diarrhea like it's Ovaltine.
All I can say is the guy has real ambition, which I appreciate. He's going to fuck up big. I'd rather have a big sweaty clusterfuck than go out with a goddamned geriatric/moose hunting whimper.
I also appreciate the way he gave Congress a high-colonic by appropriating them to the executive by appointment.
Now someone just needs to get Ms. Pelosi to assume the "party position." The "party position," btw, is spreadeagle, face-down and at the mercy of people who know better. I'm borrowing it from the game "Portal."
And who knows, if that all happens it just might work. I've seen stranger things. Either way, it's going to be a beautiful rapture folks. We're all going to sublimate into the ether. I want to get to know you folks better before that day.
That Matchbox song, "let's see how far we go." That's my attitude.
My 2 cents.
Quote from: Torodung on March 01, 2009, 02:33:45 AM
Long venison
Is that the North American version of Long Pig?
Quote from: Nigel on March 01, 2009, 03:14:50 AM
Quote from: Torodung on March 01, 2009, 02:33:45 AM
Long venison
Is that the North American version of Long Pig?
Maybe it doesn't count as cannibalism if they're furries.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 28, 2009, 05:40:01 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 27, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
I believe it was wolf control from helicopters that got her the particularly bad rap....
No, I think it was the whole "Religious whackjob of the first water" that trashed her.
Oh, i was just speaking regarding the 'she kills furry animals' thing.....
there were
pleeeeenty of things that made here completely non viable in general.
I do have to agree with the post above that her voice was* number one on my list.
*: oh, sweet baby jebus, pleeeeeeease let this remain past tense...
Quote from: Iptuous on March 01, 2009, 04:19:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 28, 2009, 05:40:01 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 27, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
I believe it was wolf control from helicopters that got her the particularly bad rap....
No, I think it was the whole "Religious whackjob of the first water" that trashed her.
Oh, i was just speaking regarding the 'she kills furry animals' thing.....
there were pleeeeenty of things that made here completely non viable in general.
I do have to agree with the post above that her voice was* number one on my list.
*: oh, sweet baby jebus, pleeeeeeease let this remain past tense...
1. She'll be back.
2. Someone worse will come along. I can fucking PROVE it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:52:17 AM
2. Someone worse will come along. I can fucking PROVE it.
She'll need a VP when she runs in 12 after all
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 05:07:36 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:52:17 AM
2. Someone worse will come along. I can fucking PROVE it.
She'll need a VP when she runs in 12 after all
She will not be running. She simply hasn't realized yet that her function has been performed, and that the GOP has no further use for her.
Then she'll spaz out and go all Hillary on the GOP candidate.
Buy your popcorn now, and beat the rush.
But if she won...
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I don't think Obama will be unpopular enough to lose by 12. People are morons like that. The heavy hitters in the GOP will bow out, and she'll be left as a major primary candidate at the least.
Quote from: KC on March 01, 2009, 05:20:41 AM
I don't think Obama will be unpopular enough to lose by 12. People are morons like that. The heavy hitters in the GOP will bow out, and she'll be left as a major primary candidate at the least.
Naw. Politicians don't think that way.
The campaign season gets close, and their brains go all mushy.
Their brains are *always* mushy.
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 02:28:07 PM
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
Not only that, Jindal has nothing to say,and feels he needs to say it loudly. And Rush Limbaugh's audience stopped growing about the time he lost his TV show. He's the Art Bell of the GOP now, and only influences the base.
Appealing to their rapidly declining base seems to be the only trick they have left. WORST. OPPOSITION PARTY. EVER.
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Appealing to their rapidly declining base seems to be the only trick they have left. WORST. OPPOSITION PARTY. EVER.
And that's weird, because the dems are a fucking mess.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:11:15 PM
Not only that, Jindal has nothing to say,and feels he needs to say it loudly. And Rush Limbaugh's audience stopped growing about the time he lost his TV show. He's the Art Bell of the GOP now, and only influences the base.
This is the best observation of Rush Limbaugh's career I've read, ever.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Appealing to their rapidly declining base seems to be the only trick they have left. WORST. OPPOSITION PARTY. EVER.
And that's weird, because the dems are a fucking mess.
QFT. Every last word up there.
Nothing much to add except "long venison" was just a typo I grew fond of, "long verison," so it stayed after I cleaned it up.
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Appealing to their rapidly declining base seems to be the only trick they have left. WORST. OPPOSITION PARTY. EVER.
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By which I mean, it is not yet functionally illegal to be a member.
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Everyone's having a good time but Lenin. Is that because he just got off the train from Germany?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 01, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Appealing to their rapidly declining base seems to be the only trick they have left. WORST. OPPOSITION PARTY. EVER.
And that's weird, because the dems are a fucking mess.
Makes me wonder if a third party could get a foot in the door sometime soon.
NO MATTER WHUT!!...Please continue the "bailout"...
Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on March 02, 2009, 06:13:59 AM
NO MATTER WHUT!!...Please continue the "bailout"...
The
current bailout? No more than, Monkey See, Monkey Do.
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/index.html
:argh!:
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 02:28:07 PM
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
QFmuchT
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 02:28:07 PM
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
Just out of curiosity
Cain what do you think of the idea I've heard kicking around some conservative forums (I don't prescribe to this idea, but quite the opposite) that the mainstream republicans might start getting fed up with the Christian right and start to marginalize them to a degree that become irrelevant
I don't know about that, however, what Rush and the weak-kneed Republicans are doing is to pretty much force my two senators Collins and Snow to side with the Democrats in the Senate. So, assuming Franken gets seated, there is your filibuster-proof majority. There's no way Collins and Snow can side with Rush and maintain their seats.
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on March 04, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 02:28:07 PM
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
Just out of curiosity
Cain what do you think of the idea I've heard kicking around some conservative forums (I don't prescribe to this idea, but quite the opposite) that the mainstream republicans might start getting fed up with the Christian right and start to marginalize them to a degree that become irrelevant
Doesn't sound likely, in the current climate. At the moment, the crazies are still in charge. They may eventually burn out due to accumulated fail, but who knows how long that could take?
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
This guy is your BROTHER?
Fix that shit. Uphold the family name. BEAT THE CPAC DEMONS OUT OF HIM!
I can't decide which of them you want beaten... both probably.
Quote from: Requia on March 06, 2009, 04:16:18 AM
I can't decide which of them you want beaten... both probably.
No, Shane is too tough to beat.
A little know fact: Shane is actually Randy "Macho Man" Savage. No shit. I will post pics next week.
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
See, and now you're back to my point of view. That "live and let live" shit didn't last long, now did it? ;)
By the way, when I walk into an empty room, there are at least three points of view and a heated argument going on.
Quote from: Torodung on March 07, 2009, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
See, and now you're back to my point of view. That "live and let live" shit didn't last long, now did it? ;)
By the way, when I walk into an empty room, there are at least three points of view and a heated argument going on.
I AM THE EAST MAGNETIC POLE OF POLITICS! EAT THEM! EAT THEM ALL!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 06, 2009, 03:40:20 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
This guy is your BROTHER?
Fix that shit. Uphold the family name. BEAT THE CPAC DEMONS OUT OF HIM!
Now do you see why I have to go? I may have to administer severe beatings to certain folks to "set them on the straight and narrow". But, while duty to ones family is a noble ideal, it can be onnerous.
Quote from: Torodung on March 07, 2009, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
See, and now you're back to my point of view. That "live and let live" shit didn't last long, now did it? ;)
By the way, when I walk into an empty room, there are at least three points of view and a heated argument going on.
The truly difficult part is knowing WHEN to shock the gene pool. And of course, how often said shocking need continue. Heaven forbid that more than one branch of a family tree need a bit of "pruning". But who am I to say?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2009, 06:06:04 AM
Quote from: Torodung on March 07, 2009, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
See, and now you're back to my point of view. That "live and let live" shit didn't last long, now did it? ;)
By the way, when I walk into an empty room, there are at least three points of view and a heated argument going on.
I AM THE EAST MAGNETIC POLE OF POLITICS! EAT THEM! EAT THEM ALL!
I am living on the South Pole and the gravest sin in my religion is to go North. Someone send me a helicopter and 2ccs of Atavan. STAT!
Quote from: Torodung on March 09, 2009, 05:21:04 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2009, 06:06:04 AM
Quote from: Torodung on March 07, 2009, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 06, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Seth_The_Fallen on March 05, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
Quote from: Faithless on March 04, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Nothing about the future is certain, why are you complaining? Everyone should have the right to hysteria and panic. But thats just my opinion.
I am with you. We are not certain what the future hold for us. Hell obama my be the next Roosevelt!
Dear Lord, you should be flogged for such speech, but then again, it seems that you are in danger of becoming a mainstream thinker. Don't worry, I'll help you out of your misery.
See, and now you're back to my point of view. That "live and let live" shit didn't last long, now did it? ;)
By the way, when I walk into an empty room, there are at least three points of view and a heated argument going on.
I AM THE EAST MAGNETIC POLE OF POLITICS! EAT THEM! EAT THEM ALL!
I am living on the South Pole and the gravest sin in my religion is to go North. Someone send me a helicopter and 2ccs of Atavan. STAT!
Atavan? Hah.
REAL crazies gobble Ambien like popcorn and wake up at work, with no idea how they got there.
TGRR,
Sleep optional. No, really.
Did that one today, had to apologize to my boss for it to. Lunesta stays in your system way too fucking long apparently.
Quote from: Requia on March 10, 2009, 03:30:39 AM
Did that one today, had to apologize to my boss for it to. Lunesta stays in your system way too fucking long apparently.
I had my doctor file a report detailing the side effects to my company's doctor.
Quote
# Confusion
# More outgoing or aggressive behavior than normal
# Strange behavior
# Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really there)
# Agitation or restlessness
Now being all fucked up on drugs is a
disability. I'm basically unfireable. Did I mention I'm the maintenance chief at a chemical refinery?
TGRR,
Has been having fun with interoffice email. :)
Ok, second possibility, get *more* Lunesta, a bus pass, and Doctor's note. But still not till I get perm status (and the fancy health insurance).
Quote from: Requia on March 10, 2009, 04:10:12 AM
Ok, second possibility, get *more* Lunesta, a bus pass, and Doctor's note. But still not till I get perm status (and the fancy health insurance).
Good move.
Quote from: Cain on March 01, 2009, 02:28:07 PM
Current thinking in Washington is that Obama is running with a permament campaign mentality. If true, he should be able to crush the GOP, especially since their best idea of the moment is "Obama is an ethnic minority. So is Jindal. Therefore, we should run Jindal against Obama" and "Twitter will win the kids over to us" and, best of all "make Rush Limbaugh the official public face of the GOP".
Because nothing says "vote GOP" more than making a drug addled, possible sex tourist and ignorant loudmouth the centrepiece of your political strategy.
:lulz:
Boy, what a fucking idiot I was.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2010/08/gallup-congress-generic-ballot.html
QuoteHalf of the registered voters polled by Gallup say that if elections were held today, they'd vote for the Republican candidate in their districts.
The GOP's edge -- 50 percent versus 43 percent who say they'd for the Democrat -- is the largest so far in 2010. Click on the chart to see a larger view of the distance Gallup graphs between the two parties.
"A strong Republican showing this fall would be consistent with Gallup's recent research indicating that the party of a president with approval ratings below 50% tends to suffer heavy seat losses in midterm elections," writes Gallup's Jeffrey M. Jones. "The Republicans' larger lead on the latest generic ballot coincides with a new low weekly job approval average of 44% for President Obama."