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anything that appears orderly and structured is temporary and limited in durability


(except maybe for the underlying process at work that makes orderly things temporary)






this society/'civilization' is a perfect example

(even tho 2000+ years seems long relative to a single life time - it isnt really that long)

dude that posts on the Wu-Tang forums just came up with a pretty fuckin good idea:

I've noticed that there's a lot of little kiddy gang-bangers on myspace. Wether or not they actually manifest their gang life outside the internet is irrelavent. The fact is they're ignorant enough to make a myspace about it and dwell in the mind state daily.

My Propostion:

A lot people here like to argue over some bullshit, but in reality some of you are level headed. I say we put our differences aside for the children, just for moment and save some beautiful minds.

If you find a little gangbangers myspace account, post a link here so we can collectivley add them in our circle as a community, and we'll bombard these kids with postive encourgement and reinforcement, but most of all truth. And cut the strings of the puppet master.


The idea's there, I can't do it alone, if your down we can put this together.

here is the original post:

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37401

lemme know if anybody is down for something like this

seems like this idea sort of fits in with some BIP intentions


also - that Wu-Tang forum can be pretty interesting at times

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[Having only wisdom and talent is the lowest tier of usefulness.]

approachling a constantly re-appearing issue - i posted this on a different forum

original thread is at http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37282

the broad issue is race and discrimination on a internet forum

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i think the biggest problem with the forum is that a lot of these threads have become meaningless

there is a solid core of people who have moved beyond this issue


back in the day - if somebody made a ridiculous blanket statement about having 'double standards' etc with out taking the time to understand where i am coming from - it would have provoked a reaction out of me

now it just looks pathetic

and lame


even typing this post was more trouble than it is probably worth



besides - there are 2 things that nobody ever has control over:
1 - how they were born
2 - the situation they were born into


criticising somebody for how they were born (ie skin color) is the equivalent of criticizing a tree for being a tree


anybody born in the past 25000 years on planet earth was born into a bad situation

the measure of a man is how he learns to approach his situation


a good first step is to pursue understanding by any means necessary
and learning to walk what you speak


here is a quote from ol'faithful

It is further good fortune if, more than this, one has wisdom and talent and can use them appropriately. But even a person who is good for nothing and exceedingly clumsy will be a reliable retainer if only he has the determination to think earnestly of his master. Having only wisdom and talent is the lowest tier of usefulness.

*you can look at the 'master' as being any higher source - your ancestry, God, Allah, the Tao, etc

i think there is a bunch of people who have interesting perspectives and the ability to put together long posts which broadly attack others in a attempt to demonstrate how 'clever' and 'observant' they are

but
these people are worthless

when somebody assembles a post that can be put into use
or communicates words that can be taken offline and applied to life - only THEN can you say that a person seems to be somewhat useful


i acknowledge that my own usefulness can be questioned just as i am questioning anybody elses



keep this in mind at all times when clicking on a topic in these boards:
it is easier for negativity to drag people down than it is for positivity to lift people up


stick with and build with those who do not drag you down

and from that foundation - reach out to those who are seeking to learn to lift themselves up


dont tell them WHAT to think
but
demonstrate HOW to think

freedom of movement


cost of this objective:
responsibility


it doesnt really matter what form it comes in



other forms of 'success' seem to require that other things are unsuccessful - they are only successful when viewed relatively


freedom of movement is the type of objective that can be persued by any means necessary


reference:
Benaclypse latest discourse
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=12597.0



itll only take everything you got

enjoy

this discourse is on that 'ive busted out, but what now?' tip

it is informal

just trying to flush out some ideas about what is the difference between the 'before' and 'after' of a free thinker?


physically - you are in the same body
and subject to the same laws of the universe as you were prior to your new approach to life - so what is the big difference?


- from what i can see - a 'free thinker' doesnt live as much as travel

- life becomes an exploration

- there are no goals to achieve - more like places to visit

- there is still work to be done - but the nature of the work is different - its more like putting in work that seems to be in sync with how the universe moves rather than putting in work because you are afraid of the social repercussions of not putting in work

- any fear of physical harm has less to do with mortal terror and more to do with a preference to avoid physical discomfort because it is - well - uncomfortable

- you dont rely on things because somebody else said so - you take in new info and see how it jives with the map you already have going

- continually assessing paradigms or trends in society/history to determine what is legitimate and what is suspicious (possibly illusory)

- continually approaching taboos in order to determine what the fuss is all about

- not being driven by uncontrollable desires OR the polar opposite (SubGenius) approach of engaging in uncontrollable desires until you pass out or get burnt or get tired of it(both approaches seem to lead to the same conclusion)

- continuous refinement of self and approach




*also - perhaps there is a actual physical difference - obviously it would be something internal and subtle

maybe all this wack shit we see is the result of a stubborn shift in the nervous system at a molecular level

i dunno
just thinking out loud

its funny how on paper these logical cats can point out the existence of elements such as chaos in the universe
yet
it proves difficult to manifest this understanding in everyday life

for the longest time it seemed to me that a published book in a bookstore had some significance
as tho the contents of the book were some how reaching out to, and impacting a audience

only over the last few years have i come around to the understanding that the reach of a particular syllable-word-phrase-sentence-idea is limited in comparison to these over-riding themes that we are all raised with in this society

a tip-of-the-hat acknowledgement of chaos does not seem to be enough to counter-attack the formative-year-experience of being raised to chase money by any means necessary

or defense mechanisms of those touched with a strain of social awkwardness
or those bitten by the desire for the limelight that comes along with winning awards in elementary school for track meets or math contests or essay writing

"did you get the highest mark?"



all these observations of chaos - they get washed down the drain

we can make the observation
but
then we want to take credit for it or do something impossible with it


perhaps 'easier said than done' could be the theme of this discourse - but i have a hunch it goes deeper than that


over the last couple of years i have had opportunity to build with yall here and observe where exactly these chaotic elements exist

how they manifest in the universe we are experiencing


the unpredictability within each individual person
the things that are not possible to determine:
A) how much pressure a person can handle
B) how they will react when that threshold has been breached

sure there are trends - these may be particular to a demographic or geographic location
but
there is no way to tell with any accuracy what a particular circumstance will turn a man into



the more one looks for these instances of chaos and inconsistency - the more they become clear as day

my favorite topic of all time - the flaws of communication - are also testament to this

misunderstandings -

the way you can deliver a message with a intent and have it interpreted with a intent other than the one with which you delivered it


the worst crime to commit is accusing somebody of something that they did not do

- there are no winners in a situation like that




observe the situation of a logical mind getting frustrated at his inability to explain chaos to a audience

he gets mad at his audience
or
begins to question his own ability

meanwhile - the whole time - the elements he was trying to discuss were at play ruining the discussion

perhaps his motives were in the wrong place
perhaps the room was too hot
perhaps the same words he was using would have worked the next day



shit aint easy


its better to be lucky than good
but its best to be good and lucky

the Luck Plane is no joke
ask a SubGenius

Q: Is it possible to love somebody and still smack the shit out of them?

A: Yes.

although it has the appearance that we are just typing things in magic boxes and clicking magic links that do magic things

the underlying structure of what is occurring is this:


person A is placing information in a location

person B is accessing the information where person A left it



you place information in a location (a server)
i dial into the server and access the information that you placed there


a website is information that somebody placed in a location for you to access

when you type a post - you put it somewhere for people to access


so -
in a way -
you are not talking to somebody
- rather you are making communication available for somebody or somebodies


this can be a significant thing to consider and understanding this may change the way you approach communicating


if you want to compare it to a offline situation

it would be the equivalent of being in a empty room and writing on a wall
- leaving it there for people to access

some people can see it and respond to it
add to it
refine it
or leave it alone



-- to be continued --
(in another room)

- if you remove all the stylistic elements of a webpage / site all you are left with is a plain text document

- content still reigns supreme

- if you dress something up that has no substance it will eventually be exposed as having no substance

- websites can also serve functional communication purposes (transfer information from point A to point B - this manifests in anything from e-mail to online banking)


i am going to break down the process a bit further in a next post

"there is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening"


i tend to agree

throws a nice little spin on the free will/fate business


the absence of inevitabilty was pre-determined


i lolled

it is a trend now to second-guess messages in the media which seem aimed at evoking some kind of alarm response

this makes a bit of sense

from what i can tell - the most common reason for this has been the fall out from the the airplane - trade center situation

most people i have come across with any type of analytical insight have become at least somewhat more suspicious of media than they were prior to that event

as a brief summary of the situation, we had the following:
1. 'catastrophic' event
2. explanation of catastrophic events from dependable and relied-upon organizations and media sources
3. torrents of reports from a variety of sources that provoked a lot of reason to question the original explanation of events


right now - it seems we are experiencing some kickback from that kickback

and the purpose of this discourse is to give some kickback to the kickback to that original kickback


these days - even tho the 'environmental' trend is still hot (as can be seen in many malls and department stores or TV advertisements), the other trend that is developing is a dismissal of all worries and concerns


with so many people having so much action to information,
and a generation of people raised with the 'Law and Order' mentality of being able to twist and bend arguments
there is not a single shred of 'news' that cant be turned to swiss cheese by the analytical mind

just about 45 minutes ago i saw a book here at the library called 'Are We Scaring Ourselves to Death?'
in the summary on the back it mentioned elements such as how much more efficient our automobiles and technologies are now compared to how they were 30-40 years ago
it also discusses shady tactics that are involved with disseminating health information in regards to foods and products and their potentially harmful repercussions

there is a place for this kind of stuff

but
at a certain point
enough is enough

now - i respect that there are people living in north america and possibly other pockets of the world where they can wake up in the morning, take a look around and feel that everything is ok

- maybe the ice isnt melting
- the war images on tv are distant
- they like that fresh smell of javex-clean

i understand how this is possible

a few months ago - i posted something up about the resilience of youthful bodies and the ability to consume pharmaceuticals that make the body carry on

this understanding is pertinent to this situation

it is possible for certain people to be more tolerant to adverse situations than others

the funny thing with stimulants is that until you feel how they are destroying you - you use them as a fuel source

you live off them




in order to take a reasonable stance on any societal or environmental issue - the smart first step is always to take a inventory of the 24/7 you are living in

with our heads in the clouds, industrialized society was stomping recklessly over the planet
then
the warning came that we could not continue that way or we would be the authors of our own demise
so
we tried to slow down

now
we have been burned by the exposure of false information
and we have become unable to determine just how destructive we are
and for some people
we wonder if we are even destructive at all

now there are some people who seem to feel that it is ok for us to let up a bit


and the portion of the population that seems to believe this also seem to be in positions where they can air this message to a population who would LOVE some positive reinforcement to go back to living a sloppy lifestyle


when i wake up in the morning and take a look at the city
the smog is thicker than it used to be
and i am pretty sure im not hallucinating

when i take the subway in the morning
the perfume that the men and women wear burns

there are places on the planet that is not good for me to go because i have pale skin
not because of anything i did
but
because the society i represent has spelled nothing but bad shit to a lot of people

when i have to piss
there are few places to piss at
and this is a society that would have a individual hold it in

people discuss you when you are not present

almost getting hit by cars is getting on my nerves


there is no slack here

but there IS the appearance of slack


the carefully constructed hairstyle designed to look 'sloppy'

the environmentalist who pollutes the audible environment by not shutting up about how environmental he/she is

the anti-alarmist alarming everybody to not be alarmed by the alarms (wtf?)


no

the opposite of this society is not a lets-hold-hands-cumbayah scenario

it consists of nothing more than respect and a understanding that your output is a segment of somebody else's input
which leads subsequently to what you input next


so
even if by some stroke of good fortune this 'global warming' thing is just a promotional ploy by Gore Corp
using these types of justifications to proceed to live a oppressive, exhaustive and abusive life would be nothing short of begging for some foul shit to happen

another balancing act


dire situations often call for swift and drastic action


swift and drastic can result in unforeseen/unfortunate collateral damage ('the costs')


we see this often -
it is often said that in the pursuit of a objective
'the ends justify the means'

one need not look much further than any news source to see unfortunate situations which have been 'justified' by decision makers


the problems of this approach are painfully obvious -
if one hasnt done the due diligence to develop a accurate understanding of the situation - the ends, the means, and everything in between
then
the result is nothing but unnecessary strife and destruction
where means are employed to accomplish no ends


at the other end of the spectrum - the situations we DONT see (but each individual prolly FEELS at some point in their life)
is those situations where the ends wouldve justified the means
but
instead of getting to work
he/she sat on his/her hands

this is often referred to in the form of 'regret'

shoulda
coulda

this is also understandable and provokes one to explore the question 'but how can i be sure?'

the balancing act -
not to be a destructive train wreck of a failure
nor be a hesitant member of a audience being led to the bottom of the ocean on a sinking ship




so
HOW CAN YOU BE SURE??

1. you can be sure about your motives and intents
2. you can be sure about how you handle making mistakes
3. you can be sure about never making the same mistake twice
4. you can be humble enough to admit error even if you have made that error using everything you have
5. you can be understanding and supportive of those who make errors in this vein
6. you can be sure that there are others who will be supportive of your efforts if your actions are approached with well developed motives and intent
7. you can be sure that nothing good awaits you if you sit inactive and let hesitation rot you from the inside


in this way
you can act ruthlessly without jeopardizing those things which can be called 'important'

namely - the connections and relationships you have with those who approach the universe in a similar manner


*
for all you ZOMG cult motherfuckers:
notice that i say 'approach the universe in a similar manner'
and not
'strive to achieve the same objectives'

[LHX interviews LHX about LHX:]

before i get to my main point - i have a little tangent to go off on:


on the surface - people will tell you that they like honesty

but
amongst the many perils that ol' LHX has to face on a regular basis are the people who are able to intellectually acknowledge that 'honesty' is preferred over deception
yet
when faced with certain 'honesties' (in place of deception)
these people start to squirm

this is annoying in a lot of ways

a lot of people's first instinct when they hear a new but unfortunate or unpleasant piece of information
(especially one that sounds accurate)
is to lash out at wherever that piece of information came from

as tho throwing rocks at a cloud would prevent the fact that the parade has been and is being rained on


the second aspect in which this is annoying is that people get the deliverer of the message confused with being some sort of supporter of the message

i dont like half of the shit that comes out of my mouth or my finger tips
but
what is a person supposed to do?
hold back?
lie?
(one could say those are both the same thing)

did everybody get mad at their school teacher when she said that 3 x 3 = 9?

whats the difference between that and any other situation where a person is trying to bring something to your attention?


capsule summary:
LHX interviews LHX about LHX:

LHX - Thanks for joining us, X. What we really want to know is: you point out a lot of bleak observations online; and offline, when serious subject matters come up in conversation, you seem to have a tendency to really deconstruct things down to their bare bones. You have been known to point out that we are experiencing some sort of social decline - and have even been known to toss the word 'apocalypse' about (-chuckle-). So the question is: do you enjoy these observations?

LHX - No.

**********



that being said

the main point of this post is the following observation / reminder:

You live in a place where even if you conduct your actions with good intent and proper reasoning, and even if your intent is to help and support, your motives can and will be misinterpreted.

Due to the nature of the situation we are experiencing, and drawing heavily from the flaws of perception as covered in-depth on these boards, it is possible for proper actions to be misunderstood, falsely accused, slandered and subsequently punished, and it would have nothing to do with you.

The same can be said about approaching any force of nature - and it is becoming more apparent than ever that a 'force of nature' is exactly what this quasi-robotic mankind has become (not the highly-sophisticated and righteously analytical machine that it strives to be).
Tornadoes will not check your ID.
Earthquakes will not interview you before wrecking.
Fire does not discriminate.




For anybody who has stuck around to this point in the diatribe - let me point out a brush stroke of silver lining -

although you are not immune to these 'forces of nature' - in place of a Cure-All-Answer,Ñ¢ - there is a Best-Approach-to-Take,Ñ¢

this best approach involves - first and foremost - reconciling this unfortunate circumstance and accepting the nature of the situation

second - it involves not being dumb enough to allow yourself to get wrecked (mentally) by being caught off-guard by a situation that really shouldnt have caught you off-guard

alleviate those traces of panic and anxiety that result from being raised into a situation where it seemed like you were a part of a society capable of conducting itself with civility

the punchline of the joke is that it really wasnt you that had the problem after all
and you dont even have to say that to yourself and feel like you are only trying to cheer yourself up


somebody forgot to check the math on this planet
all you anti-socialites who feel bad about being anti-social can now revel in the fact that society was fucked up in the first place - its not your fault

now yall can focus on taking care of your other shortcomings
like your laziness
and unreconciled fetishes

but above all
you now have less reason than ever to back down from finding ways to take a hammer to this place


the foundation is cracked
and the cracks are getting exposed more and more


the third aspect of the Best-Approach-to-Take,Ñ¢ - align yourself with those who are big enough to acknowledge these Ugly Truths,Ñ¢ as well

getting thru this shit is going to take approximately everything you have in you

spread your messages

find those that back you up

use any mechanisms for support

and support those who are enduring the same shit you are



if you take the 'smart' approach - even tho you will still prolly get ripped apart and obliterated (possibly/probably even by those you love the most)
you will not have to be shocked and dismayed when it takes place

and possibly
possibly

manipulate a way to enjoy the process between now and then



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It's not romantic.

This thing you're looking for - that thing you are striving for...

That achievement.

"The answer".

That shining moment with others watching...

Perhaps the silencing of the critics?

The scene where they come up to you and say "Oh damn... you were right about everything afterall!"


You are not going to hear those words.

It's not romantic like Hollywood.

You don't get to see the explosion from afar.

You don't get to observe it from safety.

You won't escape to the mountains just before the shit hits the fan.


The shit will hit the fan even in the mountains.

No.

Your place is here in the thick of it - and it has nothing to do with your preferences.

Until you resolve to accept that, this situation will linger.

On and on and on.


Escapism is yesterday's tactic. A dinosaur. Old technology that doesn't work.

And the Hollywood ending is an illusion.


The only option is to find the hidden charm in the reality of the situation.

The silver lining that will give a person enough backbone to endure seeing things that they do not want to see.

The foundation that will allow a person to stand up to the shit storm that comes along with not following the masses.

The accusations.
The finger-pointing.
The misunderstanding.

And then to be faced with the responsibility of forgiving these same people as they get their asses whipped by the universe.


By all known conventions, this path is thankless.

By unknown conventions, this path is the only path.

with a brief recap:

some people want to change these things they perceive as being bad / unfortunate / unnecessary / lamentable
only to discover that it is not possible
-- and not 'not possible' from a pessimistic point of view - but rather due to the physical nature of the situation which we are experiencing --

i spoke of the necessity for a person to have first-hand experience in learning the pitfalls of their ways and actions
and it holds true

you can explain to the slanderer why it is bad to slander
but
the slanderer will not stop until he is slandering somebody who happens to over-hear and subsequently beats the ass of the slanderer

you can explain to the murderer why it is bad to murder
but
the murderer will not stop until he experiences facing the unnecessary extermination of his own life (contrasted with the body's impulse to stay alive)

you can explain to the glutton why it is bad to be gluttonous
but
he will not change his ways and actions until he can feel the strain he has put on his system

you can explain to the oblivious north american how their way of life will come at great personal expense
but
he will not change his approach until it is clear - tangibly clear - that he is in too deep


i talked about people here having been thru some sort of apocalypse already
my intent was not to coin a new term - but rather to acknowledge that there seems to be a trend here that people already know what it is like to have been 'in too deep'

and
a lot of what is detailed here on these boards is a series of observations of people who have managed to crawl out of having been in too deep (and/or observations made along the way of trying to navigate toward a better place)

that being said
this suggests that over the upcoming years - we will be forced to sit back and observe as everybody goes thru the same thing
possibly en masse


thats what apocalypse is all about right?
mass judgment according to the laws of the universe

those physical laws

which means that everybody who bases their lives on illusions or false principles or anything that doesnt actually exist will eventually be called to task as 'real life' situations present themselves and they find themselves abandoned by the illusion that they had been relying on


dont get it twisted -
we are going to observe these things

- the marketing campaigns get stronger
- the entertainment industry gets better
- more drugs allow people to get thru more situations without reconciling the real cause of the situation
- adolescents going thru a stage of vulnerability will be turning to the internet and they will find themselves swallowed up by social networking sites (and all of the subsequent implications of this)
- we will continue leading a consumptive lifestyle
- we will continue extracting from resources without giving the time to allow resources to recover
- etc

and although we have found reason enough to consider these things and attempt to either a) prepare or b) avoid
it is becoming clear as day that b) is not an option
and it has nothing to do with a lack of effort


no
it is not possible to deliver peace of mind to a person who is chasing property



in the upcoming years - the most that can be done is to make the information available
and prepare it in a way that is most palatable

prepare the vegetables as best you can without turning it into a dessert

deliver the rice - but resist turning it into rice pudding just because they are crying for it


the lamentable aspects of this are clear -
namely
- observing loved ones fall apart in ways that seem to have been unnecessary
- being forced to be amongst those who wear themselves out while stiving for that which is non-existant
- observing the decay of future generations

but
the positive aspects are also in abundance
- the number of people that come to these understandings will increase
- we have the means by which to stay connected and avoid being swallowed (again) by this social decline
- this wild times will result in some tremendously creative art as people search for answers
- while everybody else is panicking and losing their shit - we will prolly be able to sleep a bit better and hold our shit together



it is quite possible that i am talking out my ass when i say it is not possible to change the direction of a system that is carrying the momentum of 7 billion people

000 or SillyCybin may have come up with some sort of weather-control technique that would allow us to threaten some densely-populated areas with bad weather until they start seeing things differently
but
as i sit here and crunch the numbers
i think it would be unnecessarily cruel to maintain any illusions of stretching beyond our grasp


that being said - i am going to pause again because i have to think about what is within reach


the objective is to not be oppressed by a oppressive system
meanwhile
not becoming a part of the oppressive element
meanwhile
encouraging the components of the system not to be oppressive and contribute to the exploitation
meanwhile
providing support to those who have made some observations about the nature of things but dont know how to act on it
meanwhile
acknowledging the absurdity of the situation


hopefully i can bring this home in one more post -

[- Unknown sample from the track "Street Corner", Masta Killa feat. GZA, Inspectah Deck]

"Looking on various street corners - I'm sure you've seen it yourself - standing on the corner is an alleged brother dressed in blue, or green, red and black... And stating the news that the revolution is coming and you better get ready. Sort of like... the end of the world is coming. Unfortunately, the world is just gonna drag on and on."
- Unknown sample from the track "Street Corner", Masta Killa feat. GZA, Inspectah Deck

im not sure what the current themes on the board are, so pardon me if this clashes with what is going on



back when i first started posting on this board, i was coming to a reluctant understanding that it is not possible to affect wide-scale social change and i found the adjustment to that understanding to be difficult

living in a situation that features self-destructive behavior - the instinct is to determine a course of action that would prevent calamity from happening

but it is clear that due to the nature of the beast - such prevention is not possible


back in late summer 2005, these conclusions i was coming to were being re-inforced on this board which is one of the reasons why i started posting here in the first place

i really never cared much about the PD and altho i found the observations regarding the interaction between chaos and order to be interesting - they were nothing that could not be found elsewhere in different forms

what was here, though, was a group of people who seemed to be acknowledging the same unfortunate tendencies that i was seeing

a lot of Rev's rants at that time were detailing a more down-to-earth prognostication of the future that lay in store for us where we live, and a lot of the community here seemed to agree with the notion that it was unlikely to see any dramatic events occuring on this planet
instead - the observation was that we were in for a prolonged and intensifying social decline and degeneration

no explosive climax
just a grind


over the past year-and-a-half, a lot of different angles have been explored on these boards, and in taking an inventory of everything, i can see how they relate back to that original point -

being in a situation that seems like it can be remedied and contrasted with the cold, hard understanding that it will not be remedied

subsequently, we are left asking the question why

why is it not possible to fix such a situation?
why is it not possible to avoid something negative which seems so imminent?

a lot of times you will hear people ask these types of questions almost as tho it is a hobby to consider larger metaphysical issues, but around these boards, the issues have been approached and deconstructed in a relatively serious manner (some people might even say too serious for a 'discordian' message board)

it seems that the answers are not clear
but it seems that the answers are understood

there seem to be flaws in the foundation of communication and subsequently society and the minds and logical processes of man

this renders us unable to communicate fully

this means that you cannot take an understanding and communicate it so that your brother or sister will share this understanding

you cannot communicate an understanding of poverty
you cannot communicate an understanding of rejection
you cannot communicate an understanding of abandonment

you can spread the knowledge that these things exist
but
you cannot instill an understanding


i have said in the past that there is something undefined that the people on these boards have in common
and
it is my hunch that it has something to do with having been forced to encounter some of these undefinable understandings

what i mean by that is - a lot or people here have experienced an apocalypse of sorts
and are subsequently able to see when circumstances are approaching where other people will be experiencing the same thing

it is not a physically pleasant experience - and although the desire is there to try and help people to avoid the unpleasantness - it is becoming apparent that this is simply not possible




im dropping all this shit off my dome right now and i have to step away for a few minutes

this will be continued later

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got buckets of shit nobody wants but dishing out anyway

people watch because its more fascinating than what is otherwise seen


the allure of natural disasters
storms
violence

these things that nobody calls good
but relentlessly fascinating


pull
a naked woman has less pull than a woman in lingerie
and this is true for very specific and identifiable reasons


killing motherfuckers mostly by letting them kill themselves
watch as they flock toward a pestilence


this thing they seek - where is it exactly?

these things that everybody 'knows' yet cannot demonstrate


demonstrate

looking people in the eye and speaking

producing a series of written text on demand


skeleton + skin roaming a planet communicating with like objects

nothing more - but more importantly - nothing less


there are things we dont know
there are things that are unknowable

we will know the things that are knowable
we will determine a boundary beyond which the unknowable exists


sloppiness is old fashioned

those who commit themselves to planning yet are timid to action will be run over


there are certain achievements that are not celebrated


according to the universal justice system - the only people allowed to criticize are those who are committed to assisting that which they criticize


there exist beings on this planet who will trip you up at every opportunity they get
- they do such things as pointing out inadequacies but stopping short at offering solutions

these beings want your attention
and their desire for your attention is endless
a bottomless pit
relentlessly hungry


some suggest it is only curable by lava
others suggest that it may be curable by dedication and effort piled on effort


pay no attention to those beings and situations which provide you with no nourishment in return
unless you are paying attention to it in order to destroy it


if anybody needs me ill be in the trenches using every tool i can get my hands on


there are people who will fuck your ass up if you dont move correctly
and if you havent met them yet
you will meet them soon


Peace

creating magic with words
magic - producing a result that was unexpected - the procedure of producing the result not known by an external observer
disconnected
a state of affairs that cannot be related to a origin

"how did he do it?"

natural wonders
those things that appear spontaneous or rare
- they can also be called magic

unknown regions and unexplored frontiers: all magical

romantic

the way her ass shakes and the seemingly uncontrollable reaction it prompts from the basic self of the male mammal

these days - dry and barren soil can represent itself as fertile
-- magic --

and the nutrient-dense seed has a overwhelming urge to fertilize anything and everything


i said "a vacuum"
my brother said "more like quicksand"

anything that pulls you in

a whirlpool
a promise
a hope for the fulfillment of a vague and incomplete notion of some future ideal


refinement rarely occurs here
instead of allowing irrational and unfounded notions to be met with their natural end
-- disappointment --
the youth is allowed to let their false notions grow

instead of seeing the brick wall they are headed toward - it has been decorated
painted with natural tones

LCD
backlight
'make it look like paradise with boundless potential'

and then the punchline
at the end of a long fruitless and ultimately aimless search for that heaven -
it turns out it was just a screen

people who are worn down look docile and weak
but under the surface they are in the midst of a frantic search

"how did i go so wrong?"
"why can't i reach it?"

All physical objects can be used as storage devices.


If you have a series of physical objects - you can start arranging things


metaphor is a way to link one series of objects to another series of objects

since the topic is up right now


i am proposing a motion that the meme bombs be taken a bit more (gasp) seriously



for this group - meme bombs are one of the things we specialize in
and that being said - a lot of them on the wiki are kind of shit


granted - one may resonate with a person more depending on where they are at and what is on their mind
but
the difference between a good bomb and a bad one is huge


no disrespect to any authors


just because those phrases are short does not provide excuse to blurt out the first witty paradox that comes to mind


example:

"Black sheep are still sheep" = good - witty - sharp - a twist

"Secure your future: Declare yourself Jesus while masturbating in public." = tacky - controversial but too blatant - the 'secure your future' part is a good lead in but this one seems to fall apart



these are just opinions



god only knows the amount of trash i have produced and broadcast

im just sayin tho - the meme list on BIP isnt necessarily something that looks too great given the inconsistent quality




some of it sounds like it got torn out of the pages of 'new age' literature

is a disease of the eye


no - just kidding





some things cannot be readily explained without the use of visual aids


FACT

'Chosen One' disease -

a good way to rile people up in the right circumstances

say things like this:

'you wont understand these words right now'
'it was pre-determined that...'


also:
say something inflammatory, and preface it by saying 'i know you dont like to hear it...' as tho you are a messenger of a harsh truth


also:
predict your downfall by somebody close to you or at the least a assassination

jaws drop in disbelief but also lack of preparation

i never told you how good you look in that shirt
why dont you take it off?

i got something to show you

at 5 am observe to the southwest appears venus

is cold a state of mind as well?
if it is i can heat you from here

your skill is inferior
your style is inferior
i make better mistakes
proper error
when somebody takes my belt i make another one

just sit and watch
some peoples thigh and ass muscles look square and flat

i dont pass judgment but i know the guy who does

sometimes he tells me


when you are dealing with something in the wrong place
you need to erode it and re-build at the same time

call it the other side of decay
the root of decadent is decay
decay is a stage of death
when something is decayed - it is said to be spoiled
a spoiled child is a child what has been killed


me and mine come together
we exist in many forms
we grow in numbers
when the work is done - we rest


every time you hear a genuine laugh - it means we showed up


you cant try to relax
it doesnt work that way

hot springs are naturally occurring



in deep sleep you do things that are difficult to do during wake hours

like recover

cross-posted

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34638

i started this thread at Wu-Corp as a response to a thread where i got into a heated discussion about the Qur'an and man's inability to 'meet' any of the 'divine' challenges set forth in the Qur'an


this is the main body of that thread - please to be applying the barstool treatment if applicable

**************************

the idea of 'creating things' came up in that thread


in a mythological concept, we are presented with the idea of live beings raised from dirt - 'created'


but what is creativity really?


what does it mean to create something?

if you write a fictional story in which you 'create' characters and 'create' a universe - how does that differ from what we are currently experiencing?


from a objective perspective, it is not impossible to fathom a narrator in your head, and a story in which you are the main character: "and this is the part of the story when you read that post by LHX"



it is beyond the realm of provability, but it is also beyond the realm of disprovability?





if you create a 'fictional' character, what is his relationship to you?

*********


the rest of the thread has some interesting posts

this other forum i post at has some interesting discussions come up from time to time:

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=765526

...in a time loop - broken record syndrome. The only way out of it is a massive change from within- but we can't do it alone. Repeating the same mistakes over n over again.

Who feels me on that one and wants to build solutions for them? Things need to slow down and get back to normal. And no - I'm not speaking about drugs- this is spiritual battles - we in the last days.

it prolly has something to do with motivation
or how they approach things


but im not really sure




it has nothing to do with what they 'know' or what their preferences are


and it has not much (if anything) to do with the PD




just a hunch

you dont have to worry about a thing

just upload the right code and you will be laughing



there aint a problem that cant be fixed

you read everything you needed to read in the title



when you back off, we press on


and then we dont even judge you



we do what we do with style and finesse
and in comparison to you it is like a cheetah compared to a snail in terms of speed

some people make the point that the world needs snails - which is true


so maybe we should be thanking those snails for their slowness that allows us to be the dynamic, shape-shifting, ADD-fueled icons that you see are responsible for the content on these forums


who knew so much could be packed into a font on a monitor?

trail it back

your internet browser
your CPU
your data port
your internet service provider
all the way back to us on the other end pounding keys with authority


godzilla with a laptop


huge people


you hear the sound of thunder when finger touches keyboard



the type of people that do things that matter IN A UNIVERSE WHERE NOTHING MATTERS


hit rewind if you didnt get it




the advanced technology:
the egos are detachable - like any good tool


imagine the farmer with a shovel glued to his arms
or a carpenter with his hammers attached to his hand


it doesnt make sense to hold so tightly to your tools


so we dont




we have been wrong so many times that we have been given the privilege of being right on occasion
(with the plot twist of never knowing when those occasions are)


to know the virtue of being bad IN A GOOD WAY
instead of being good in a bad way



we smell bullshit when it is still in the bull

and the bull gets 50 posts to get it out of its system




we are so good at what we do that we have to make a conscious attempt at not congratulating ourselves at how good we are at everything

how does this quote fit into the scheme of things?

Hagakure:

It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like. But it is important never to tell this to young people as it is something that would be harmful if incorrectly understood.
Personally, I like to sleep. And I intend to appropriately confine myself more and more to my living quarters and pass my life away sleeping.

sup yall

another project -
so
i need some feedback yet again if you have time:

which one is the preferred?

v1.0




v2.0



thanks for the input

and also let me know if the whole thing sucks all together - that would be of supreme help

trying to get back in the visual zone



please amend and refine

can this rag-tag non-committal group of individuals come up with a way to consistently put together media that is more engaging than anything that is currently available?

if yes
then we should do so

if no
then we should prolly re-think a few things


the media and entertainment landscape is still wide open


the tools are at our fingertips
and the creativity is there...

in reviewing the recent events, here is a proposal:

abandon BIP evangelism in favor of a focus on the area where we all seem to merge at:

Law of Fives


Law of Fives is directly from PD
it merges the barstool with the abstract

everything becomes pertinent


as far as the audience goes:

i motion that we abandon the 'Think for Yourself' phrase/nonsense
- clearly it is seen as a phrase that suggests evengelicalism or evangelicism (evangelism?)



bring the Law of Fives to peoples attention, and our audience suddenly becomes very broad, and the writing becomes very pertinent

- we immediately become appealing to conspiracy theorists who are trying to 'piece everything together'
- there is appeal to occultists who are prakticing ckhaos mahdgjickque
- pragmatists have something tangible that they can put to use (mnemonics)
- esoterists have something they can experiment and play with


instead of preaching 'Think for Yourself' - we could provide examples of where this 'free thought' actually exists - where/how people get manipulated

and since we are from everywhere and are (collectively) involved in absolutely everything, exposing the law of fives could have some cross-over appeal


this is the only circumstance where 000's deconstruction of how 2+3=5 would make sense proceeding or following a Rev Rog rant


in brief:

my proposal is this -
lets keep on discussing this rift between the abstract and the practical

meanwhile
firing away at everything under this 'Law of Fives' umbrella



also - to come up with a better phrase than 'Law of Fives' that captures the essence behind 'the more i look for it, the more i see it manifest'


this could tie Prof Cram's latest effort with what Vex was talking about
could also tie Net's latest artworks into this plus the Durden rants, plus the latest discussions on Chaos theory as well as Cain's conspiracy work - etc, etc, etc



desired result:
instead of having people being told to 'Think for Yourself' -
provide context, warnings, benefits, and applications


this is all fresh and unpolished right now...

Here are 9 logos

6 of them can be used

3 will not make the cut

if you have time - please drop some feedback and let me know what is decent and what is trash

thanks



1 - Newspaper


2 - Surreal / Grimy


3 - Casino Night


4 - Juicy


5 - Outer Space


6 - Sunburst


7 - Plastic


8 - Matrix


9 - Environmental Day




i am leaning toward trashing #8 + #4 but i dont know which other one to get rid of

this treads the line between insanity and genius

i have to rummage thru the shit to provide the other piece of evidence that would encourage you to consider the above



^^^those are some scans / highlights from the Book of the Subgenius in case anybody doesnt recognize it

a interesting read:

http://www.maybelogic.org/stangcrs.htm

these dudes put in a lot of work - or at least it seems that way as they deconstruct it in hindsight

this part is the LAIL (from week 7 of the course):

7 The Kooks & The Drawbacks

The Ongoing Child Custody Case. People Who Think They're Jesus or "Bob." SubGenius kooks. Hilarious history of those who have taken The Church of the SubGenius completely seriously: potential publishers, the Secret Service, hundreds of Bobbies, Messiah Complex sufferers, the Cleveland Police Dept., two millionaires, the FBI, many UFO contactees, NPR, the Mayor of Cambridge, etc.)

the fact that a system can even be deconstructed like this says a lot

Your preferences don't matter anymore.

If you don't connect it all, then you're disconnected.

It doesn't matter what you want to hear about.

It doesn't matter what your hunch is.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you.

It's going on regardless.


"What's going on?"

Yeah it would be nice to have a clear, concise answer to that question.

Whatever it is, if you don't feel that it pertains to you directly, then it's only a matter of time before you realize that it pertains to you directly.


Why is it so perplexing to consider that some people are motivated by a perceived need?
Rather than the overwhelming tendency for people to think that others are only motivated by whimsy.

Is it because you are motivated by whimsy?

Do you have it too easy?

Not coughing up any blood yet, but you foresee it coming.

And it makes you squirm.


Yeah its funny now, but you foresee a point beyond which it may not be funny anymore.


Where you are going, there are no jokes.


The things you laugh at now - you can only laugh at them because you are still relatively young and able-bodied.

Pliable.
Malleable.
Gumby.


You bend back in shape without effort.
You can digest poison because they installed a manufacturing plant in your guts.

The smoke stacks lead to your brain.

And you poison yourself.
Slowly.

Sure - others help.
But ultimately, you do it to yourself.


"That's the way we were made."
A-hyuck


Sure it was.

Natural as a twinkie.


It would be nice to be able to write things off without due process.

It would make things a lot easier.

But -
everybody gets exposed eventually.

is that fake too?

http://www.etymonline.com/

is it possible to make your brain more effective?

does it not involve using symbols?

state in clear words what your specific questions are


so far, i gather this much:

you: is there any mysterious use for 'occult'?
me: no

you: is there flaws in science?
me: yes


you arent gonna catch any hate from me
and the admin here is good enough to handle business if you expose yourself as troll


me and Rev Rog have had enuf good builds to be on good terms
we are at least on the same page that stagnation is the wrong approach to things


if you are interested enuf, ill refer you to some threads

most of the stuff here is abstract and hypothetical but the aim is at being more effective in practical persuits

no need to fuck up a bunch of threads if you got specific questions that require back-tracking

here is a refinement of the diagrams from yesterday

included are a attempt at making a connection between 'physical universe' and LMNO's proposal of 'shared input source'
---> and then a attempt at trying to connect that observation to what 'occult' is, where it is derived from, and what it can be used for


also included are 000's observations about possible 'reality' / input situations
- from where i am sitting right now, i see all 3 as being possible, the third being the least likely, and im a little bit torn between the first 2 right now

they both seem pretty reasonable

either way - pull up a barstool and throw some feedback

and



original diagrams:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11620.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11627.0

V1.0



OFUK

is this a component of the generic map-in-progress here?

can we agree on the manner in which we disagree?

http://lhx012.multiply.com/

fuck

i tried reading thru the critique of the BIP

but i couldnt make it thru

damn yo im having too much fun with this thing


i did this in like 2 minutes



how do the discordians get to a better tomorrow?

[BIG BOLD PRINT]

(000: where did you post something about how people respond better to situations where they are 'pulling' things rather than pushing them?)


implication:

literature that involves a sense of interaction

reader has to take a active role in obtaining closure


i was looking at some jehovahs witness literature the other day, and without fail, on the cover of each issue is a QUESTION in BIG BOLD PRINT

(the one i saw yesterday said "Is it OK to Lie Sometimes?")

another one i saw asked
"Is this the End of the World?"


these kinds of interaction tactics are good


here is a inventory of literary effects that seem to ask for interaction:
- dramatic text with spelling mistakes or bad grammar - this engages people because they want to correct the errors they see
- bragging - demands attention because people like to size themselves up to others
- promises of benefit
- threats
- anything inconsistent - neat appearance with vulgar writing / vulgar appearance with formal writing
- short bursts (the ECH meme bomb style)


add on

look how the finger hits the key

symbol appears on screen

string it together form a word

string the words together form a phrase

string some phrases together and reveal a logic


something that might look familiar to other people looking at similar maps of similar territory


agreement

the same-pagedness of the situation


heaven help those who try to dismantle what has never known separation


not so much a swagger as it is sure-footedness

anything that looks like a swagger develops from that foundation


bullets pierce flesh
but foundations ensure re-birth


who wants to talk big and test out the latest theory?

big dick style
big brother style


big brother the family member and affectionate protector
vs
big brother - member of the social organization
vs
big brother the totalitarian leader

where would we be without disambiguation?



if need be, the screaming, scared, and paranoid will be taken in a smothering embrace and pulled down to where it is warm
and shown warmth

not burning

warmth






just fucking around ITT

playing wiff effects

a low rumble
or maybe a distant sound that isnt so much a sound as it is a tangible vibration that you can feel in your bones

like something just below earthquake status

you cant tell if you feel it or hear it

probably both


if you look hard enough, you think you can see it

but you dont know if its just you tricking yourself or if there is really something there


you arent tricking yourself

there really is something there



as the noose tightens, the intensity of the rumble increases

it becomes more evident and can only be ignored by moderate-to-heavy doses of refined sugar, caffeine, or stronger substances



if you ingest these substances, you can get yourself to pretend that the rumble isnt there for a while

you can ignore it


but the same way a merry-go-round ends, the high ends

and you come back to wondering what the fuck that thing is in the distance


relentless like anything naturally big

taking swings at it is like trying to knock down a mountain with a axe


part of you wants to call it nightmare
but you take a look around you and the other part of you wants to call it anti-nightmare


that low rumble

ominous

possibly dark
but not dark like night

dark like mud

the thing that makes things rot and loves rotten things

its alive but it takes life

not because it has malice
but just because thats the way it moves

like a big bird that takes out little birds just by flapping its wings


you put up a great struggle and in hindsight, it will be seen as having been a valiant effort

nitro fuel and aspartame
using salt to preserve for a later date so you dont have to constantly move around

all the plastic really did seem like a good idea at the time

so you can stay stationary and try to figure out what exactly it is you got yourself involved in








preliminary lab results indicate: no harm - no foul




long-term effects: suffocation





the baby gets pushed along the street in the stroller so its nostrils are at exhaust-pipe level

it grows up to be easily led in the wrong direction


that thing rumbling in the distance learns to develop a taste for all things
until its so obvious that even 6 cups of coffee cant get you motivated to focus on your business
snorting coke off a strippers titties cant get you hard

everything so imminent that even suicide seems redundant because you arent sure if you died already



its distressing until its hilarious
its hilarious until it is unfortunate
its unfortunate until it can be appreciated

once appreciated you look down and you are riding a low rumble

That whole night I heard wings of some kind, and I walked about trying to protect my head with my arms from those wings. Then there was a chair, but not like one of our chairs now - this one was old-fashioned, made of wood. And I'm moving my legs like a horse (right foreleg and left hind leg, left foreleg and right hind leg). Then the chair runs right up to my bed and jumps in. And I make love to the wooden chair. It was uncomfortable. It hurt.

from We, Yevgeny Zamyatin


anybody read this joint?


that chair intimacy scene had me rollin

Has anybody heard of this dude?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey

its amazing how successful subversive people can become, in every aspect except evoking any noticeable social change

in other words: subversion


its funny tho - every so often i keep coming across a new individual/group who seems to have committed their lives to throwing a 'wrench in The Machine'

but The Machine handles it like its nothing

doesnt slow down, and sure as hell doesnt stop

just keeps on digging deeper





on the other side tho - some incredible art comes out of it all