Firstly, I know Pastafarianism exists. Outside of that, I know very little about it. However, what I'm wondering is, how do they relate to Discordians? Are there Discordians who are also Pastafarians? Are they like best-buddy religions but without any cross-over between the two? Are they archenemies of each other? Do we just not care about them or they about us? Did one come from the other or is there influence in either direction?
Secondly, what is the connection between Discordianism and The Church of the SubGenius? I've never quite figured that out.
Pastafarians are militant atheists who don't understand satire.
Subgenii are, with the exception of Doktor Howl, blowhards who forgot that it was a joke and started taking themselves seriously.
Please note that the above two definitions are incomplete and most likely wrong, and there is a 73% chance I will get flamed for at least one of them.
Pastafarianism is fucking retarded. Since plenty of Discordians are fucking retarded, there's likely to be some crossover between the two.
As for Subgenii, well, I can explain it all to you in great detail but first you need to send me $30.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
Pastafarianism is fucking retarded. Since plenty of Discordians are fucking retarded, there's likely to be some crossover between the two.
NEWSFEED.
(http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/havetouched.jpg)
Pastafarianism was created for a specific cause - it is meant as an argument against the Kansas board of ed's decision to treat intelligent design like actual science. It satirizes religion. It is clearly not, however, a religion. Nobody really believes in the FSM (except for some discordians, probably).
Discordia, similarly, satirizes organized religion and dogmatic belief. But it is more focused on straddling the line between a joke and a religion. Whether it's a joke or a religion is kind of blurry. It can be treated as both.
subgenii are a horse of a different color ,and I'm sure somebody other than me could explain it better
the fuckwads at venganza are no different than the fuckwads at, say, westboro baptist.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 03:07:13 PM
the fuckwads at venganza are no different than the fuckwads at, say, westboro baptist.
:lulz:
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 03:07:13 PM
the fuckwads at venganza are no different than the fuckwads at, say, westboro baptist.
my bad. I forgot pastafarians do stuff like picketing at homosexual funerals and burning Qua'rans. What kind of douchebags don't want ID taught in science curriculum?
the point I was trying to make (as I think you well know) is that militant humorless atheists are no different from militant humorless religious fanatics. And I'm guessing that if Venganza had the resources at their disposal that Westboro Baptist does, they'd find a way to use those resources in a similar manner (albeit one with a different direction).
But don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of lashing out at me all day for whatever I've done that's obviously gotten under your skin. Or were you not around when we tried to make contact with venganza and become friendly allies with them? If you weren't, I suggest you go over there, announce yourself as a discordian, and try to make friends.
I have met one (1) Pastafarian that has a sense of humor, and I met him IRL.
Venganza is pretty much the model of the current "joke" religion. Militant, shrill atheists who didn't think there was any need for additional punchlines.
You'd think a bunch of atheists would've at least read Voltaire. You know, for all their harping on about Enlightenment values and such. "Any style is good except boring".
Even PZ Myers pisses me off nowadays, because they tout their freethinking credentials for the world to see, and then go on to believe ridiculous bullshit without any evidence to back them up (latest example from Scienceblogs: Obama is an atheist. He probably is, but they have no actual evidence to support this conclusion). Militant atheism of the sort of the Vengaza fuckwits is, uh, more of a lifestyle stance than an actual principled stand, in most cases.
And, more importantly, their shrill shrieking is really very dull.
The Church of the Subgenius actually had a lot of good things to say, to the point where I still read the three books, but never bother making jokes about them anymore (How long can you repeat the same gags?). Revelation X, Chapter 3 in particular (The Conspiracy Rant) is worth reading.
But the Church itself is a pack of tragically hip old farts who are obsessed with their own "fame", to the point where alt.slack is now a wasteland used exclusively by a OCD weirdo named Rev Meow, who posts 30 times an hour, and a few trolls crossposting from alt.skinheads. The "REAL" Subgenii post on a more modern chatroom, which they mercilessly police. You can get on and lurk, slobbering up their nuggets of precious wisdom, but the moment you open your mouth, you're booted.
Also, don't bother going to a devival unless you're the sort of person who hangs out across the street from nightclubs to spot famous rappers going in.
Summary: Pamphlets 1 & 2 are good. The books are amazing. Everything else sucks.
QuoteAs for Subgenii, well, I can explain it all to you in great detail but first you need to send me $30.
Isn't that Scientology? :?
QuoteOr were you not around when we tried to make contact with venganza and become friendly allies with them? If you weren't, I suggest you go over there, announce yourself as a discordian, and try to make friends.
Do I _LOOK_ like I'm looking for the closest excuse to get ripped into shreds? ...wait...don't answer that. XD
...Is that what would happen? It sounds like that's what would happen.
QuoteI have met one (1) Pastafarian that has a sense of humor, and I met him IRL.
The reason I know Pastafarianism exists is because one of my friends likes to claim he is one, although I seriously doubt it. Honestly, I think he'd make a much better Discordian, lol.
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 24, 2010, 10:49:24 PM
Isn't that Scientology? :?
The Church of the Subgenius was started as a parody of Scientology.
You can be a Subgenius without sending your $30, but you won't be able to get on the Xist ships on X day (July 5th, 1998), and you'll be destroyed along with all the Pink assholes.
Eh. Vengeza used to be pretty cool, back when Auntie DeDe (a liberal quaker) was running it, in like, late 2006. It's pretty stupid these days, and yeah, the majority of the members are indeed humorless, militant atheists.
The tl;dr guide to Pastafarianism: The flying spaghetti monster made everything (starting with a mountain, a midget, and tree) to parallel the Adam and Eve story. Reduction in the number of pirates correlates with the increase in global warming, and Bobby Henderson, the founder, used this to point out that causation isn't correlation.
The whole point was to say to the Kansas Board of Education that if you're going to use the "teach the controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_the_Controversy)" method to teach ID in schools, you gotta include this one, too.
I think we first visited in late 2007 or so. By that point...not so fun.
My personal take on FSMism:
It reflects what I hate about current culture and the internet. Here's the difference between a joke and a meme: when the joke stops being funny, you stop telling it. When the meme stops being funny, its more reason to keep fucking telling it. FSMism is a meme now.
Discordia has room for growth, and can stay relevant. Discordia evolves. FSMism is the same with each iteration. As is IPUism.
The other difference, as noted before, is that what Discordia actually is in terms of religion is a bit fuzzy. It depends on the individual Discordian. I'm not an atheist, as are some other people here I imagine, but there are also atheists on this board. Discordia is like Buddhism in that way. If you want to believe in shit, cool, go for it. If you don't cool, go for it. It's not really relevant to the idea itself. However, if you're a Pastafarian, you are an atheist. Or a really big fucking geek.
I agree with Dok Blight. Pastafarians and the Church of Google seem different from Discordianism beneath the mask. Beneath the mask, CoG and FSM followers are atheists. Behind the mask of Discordianism, there are all sorts of strangeness, pagans, athiests, agnostics, magicians, absurdists, nihilists etc. etc and in general most of them are probably some weird crossover that hits bits of those and misses other bits.
CoG and FSM are a single shot joke. "IF there could be a God, there could also be *insert joke here*" Discordianism, on the other hand tends to look at a more broad philosophy. Some of the early Discordians considered themselves the 'anti-bodies' of the neo-pagan movement. Not atheistic "Dumbass there is no god", but rather "Hey, don't forget that some of this might be bullshit". That same view gets applied to politics, religion, science, philosophy and random posts on Internet forums.
CoG and FSM question the plausibility of the Christian view of God. Discordians tend to question the plausibility of almost everyone's view of almost everything.
I think.
I would say the CoG are more similar to Discordianism than FSM, but I would generally agree with that assessment.
Also, in regards to FSMism, they're basically saying the same thing that Carl Sagan did decades ago, and Carl Sagan is way cooler than a Pastafarian any day.
I agree with the last few posts as well.
As to the Sub Genius, I know a few of the old skool cats here in portland (who refuse to let it be their only shtick), and they're cool dudes.
If you want to get an idea of what a devival is like, here are videos of when the Cyclone of Slack hit PDX (1st 10 videos):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cyclone+of+slack
It was a good show.
I shall paraphrase what ECH said a year ago:
"A Discordian is a militant agnostic."
In other words, everyone's beliefs are suspect, including my own.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 25, 2010, 12:56:16 AM
I agree with Dok Blight. Pastafarians and the Church of Google seem different from Discordianism beneath the mask. Beneath the mask, CoG and FSM followers are atheists. Behind the mask of Discordianism, there are all sorts of strangeness, pagans, athiests, agnostics, magicians, absurdists, nihilists etc. etc and in general most of them are probably some weird crossover that hits bits of those and misses other bits.
CoG and FSM are a single shot joke. "IF there could be a God, there could also be *insert joke here*" Discordianism, on the other hand tends to look at a more broad philosophy. Some of the early Discordians considered themselves the 'anti-bodies' of the neo-pagan movement. Not atheistic "Dumbass there is no god", but rather "Hey, don't forget that some of this might be bullshit". That same view gets applied to politics, religion, science, philosophy and random posts on Internet forums.
CoG and FSM question the plausibility of the Christian view of God. Discordians tend to question the plausibility of almost everyone's view of almost everything.
I think.
yeah, totally this. :mittens:
It's like Cartesian doubt with a dash of practical realism thrown in.
Whoa. ECH and Rat reach agreement.
Rat blows it with an obscure Crowley reference in 5... 4... 3...
Weren't the CotSG started by a Discordian?
The Book of the SubGenius looks, to me, like what you'd get if you tried to do the Principia with a budget. And a slightly more coherent sense of humor.
Nope, Dobbs stole money from LRH to start the church
Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 25, 2010, 09:45:52 AM
Weren't the CotSG started by a Discordian?
The Book of the SubGenius looks, to me, like what you'd get if you tried to do the Principia with a budget. And a slightly more coherent sense of humor.
Kerry Thornley was involved in the early days of the Church, he even wrote one of the entries for the original Book of the Subgenius.
As far as I understand, Pastafarianism was made by this one guy from vengeanza.org in the form of a pretty brilliant piece of satire on Creationism in schools.
Which then got a load of media attention and it stuck.
Unfortunately, except for that one guy, who I admire for the success of his mindfuck, all the other Pastafarians are basically rehashing teh same old jokes over and over again, creating desktop images of spaghetti monsters and that's about all they do. Plus being (somewhat militant) atheists.
On the other hand, that I think this is definitely also partly fueled by a bit of jealousy, since they're a parody religion just like us, and they're relatively new (since 2005) but significantly more well-known than Discordia. Really a LOT of people I know have via-via heard about the spaghetti monster, it's apparently a real catchy meme, but often they hear about Discordia for the first time from me.
Now of course, the pastafarianism is summed up in
- creationism satire
- spaghetti monster
- pirates VS global warming, LOL
And whenever someone asks me about Discordia, there's like a zillion things I could tell them, all so very different. Plus (and i would like that to be different, somehow, but I dunno how) I can't really send them to PD because PD is so eclectic, it doesn't really "speak for itself", in the sense that if a friend clicks a random thread on PD it can be brilliant, bickering, personal, fluffy, pineal, in-joke, american politics, creative writing of various qualities etc etc but due to the varied topics usually fails to truly draw someone in.
And on SubGenius, I still need to read their stuff. I can't seem to get through it. But there's quite a bunch of good shit in there, and it's definitely related to Discordia in some way or other.
So, what we're saying here is that Discordianism is the most real of the fake religions? :?
Also, this has been added to my list of "Discordia in a nutshell" explainations:
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 25, 2010, 03:56:06 AM
"A Discordian is a militant agnostic."
In other words, everyone's beliefs are suspect, including my own.
I sent a friend of mine to read PD itself, and that made sense to him. Of course, he's the sorta fellow that understands things that don't make sense, XD
As far as being self-explanatory and containing _most_ of Discordianism beliefs, I think Wiki does a pretty good job of it. :/ Just saying.
Anyone know where I can find the good writing of the Church of the SubGenius, so I don't actually have to pay money for it?
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 25, 2010, 07:46:45 PM
I sent a friend of mine to read PD itself, and that made sense to him. Of course, he's the sorta fellow that understands things that don't make sense, XD
As far as being self-explanatory and containing _most_ of Discordianism beliefs, I think Wiki does a pretty good job of it. :/ Just saying.
Anyone know where I can find the good writing of the Church of the SubGenius, so I don't actually have to pay money for it?
http://subgenius.com has SOME of the holy texts for free.
It's one of the largest non-corporate websites in the world, though. It's easy to get lost.
Map plz? Or at least what I'm looking for?
Art mines are good as is the xday drills
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 26, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on September 26, 2010, 12:11:29 AM
Art mines are good, as are the xday drills
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/eyes/gallery.html
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/drill97/drill971.html
:?
Fixed and linked.
Today I'm just a helpful person.
Thank you! :D
I was introduced to Discordianism, CotSG, and FSM, in that order. A friend let me borrow his copy of the PD, and my wife, believe it or not, ordered me the main texts for the last two.
Of the three, FSM resonated with me the least. Honestly, I don't think I've even read the whole book. It really seemed like a one-trick pony to me and was clearly on a mission to debunk the KSE. The rest of it seems like sillyness for sillyness's sake. In other words, unlike the PD, large portions of it IS a ha-ha, and in my estimation, not worth bothering with.
I really liked the main text for CotSG. I re-read it many times. This was back in the retail-hell days so I read it over the course of many lunch breaks. The portions that skewered the Pinkos and the fail of American society resonated with me the most. There were some really good ideas there and I loved the book's attitude. It certainly was a more assertive and angrier book compared to the PD. However, I didn't really click with the whole X day idea. And while I understand the satire, it was just a little to present for me. Also, I'm a cheap bastard. Discordianism is more open-source and freely available.
But moreover, Discordianism has a philosophy that I was able to identify with 100%. That's what I hold on to. Take away all the Eris's and fnords and tons of flax, and you have a pretty coherent and relevant philosophy. And that's how I treat Discordianism, as a philosophy. I don't consider it my religion, more like, a way I live my life and how I approach this society I'm living in. And what worked so well with the original BIP projects was that we were really honing in on that philosophy. It was stripped down Discordianism without the 50s jokes. And to me, it illustrated that the philosophies in Discordianism are very fundamental and transferrable to non-Discordians. I mean, who can't get the idea of Reality Grids? Who can't understand the point of Greyface? What's not to get about The Golden Rule?
If people could just stop taking themselves and the rest of humanity so seriously, and become more adept at and open to playing games in life, the human condition would probably be a much improved one.
well said
The reason I have stopped self-identifying with the CotSG is that they fossilized.
Discordianism always seems to have something new to offer, even if it's only the noob of the month.
And just as I try to eat a new thing every week (with help from Freeky and Nurse Enabler, who are both awesome cooks, particularly with exotic foods), I also try to find new ways to inflict myself on my fellow countrymen, and Discordianism helps with that.
According to Rev Stang, his CoTSG began as a completely independent thing and he had never heard of Discordianism. He was printing up flyers warning about a "new cult" and telling people to send money to an address to support informing people about the cult... and people sent money. :lulz:
Later he ran across Discordianism and thought someone was stealing his gag. Then he realized it predated CoTSG and eventually hooked up with Thornley and RAW.
Who's Thornley and RAW?
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 28, 2010, 03:48:37 AM
Who's Thornley and RAW?
RAW = Robert Anton Wilson (one of the authors of the Illuminatus Trilogy)
Thorney = Kerry Thornley (aka Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst), one of the authors of the Principia Discordia
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 28, 2010, 03:48:37 AM
Who's Thornley and RAW?
Kerry Thornley along with Greg Hill were Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst and Malaclypse the Younger... basically the two guys that complied and/or wrote most of the first version of the PD. RAW, Robert Anton Wilson, became a Discordian and was friends with both Greg and Kerry (until Kerry finally lost his mind :( ). Between the three of them, they developed, promoted or made some cash off of many 'Discordian' ideas/philosophy/wself-wankery or whatever the hell this stuff is that we all talk about.
Kerry and Greg first discovered/developed/joked about Discordianism in 1958/59 the first version of the PD was in the early 60's and then everything kinda went like wildfire. One of the most interesting things I discovered when reading Kerry's biography was that even then among the self-proclaimed Discordians, the fighting, disagreements, dislike and overall chaos, discord and confusion was much like we see today. Hail Eris. In fact, Thornley had some serious issues with some woman in New Orleans that had her own little Discordian cabal.
Also, somewhere there's a picture of Kerry Thornley fucking a chair. J.R. Bob Dobbs would never be caught doing that, unless he could sell the picture of a profit... Wait, what am I saying, of course he could sell it for a profit.
Too bad you can't really make an ongoing ritual of everyone fighting with each other. XD
Or....maybe you can?
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 27, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
According to Rev Stang, his CoTSG began as a completely independent thing and he had never heard of Discordianism. He was printing up flyers warning about a "new cult" and telling people to send money to an address to support informing people about the cult... and people sent money. :lulz:
Later he ran across Discordianism and thought someone was stealing his gag. Then he realized it predated CoTSG and eventually hooked up with Thornley and RAW.
I want to try that now.
....wow. That's just fucking incredible, what people will actually pay for. :lol:
Read about PT Barnum. There's an education in what people will pay for.
PT Barnum?
Circuses don't come around where I live. I've only gone to one ever and that was a LONG time ago!
BT Barnum did a lot of brilliant stuff other than starting a circus. He was a master at creating intrigue and mystery. He knew people wanted to experience something bigger than themselves, and they crave novelty - he figured out how to create products which capitalize on those very common desires.
The sections about him "The 48 laws of power" are some of my favorite parts of that book.
from http://sniggle.net/barnum.php
"The greatest humbug of all is the man who believes — or pretends to believe — that everything and everybody are humbugs. We sometimes meet a person who professes that there is no virtue; that every man has his price, and every woman hers; that any statement from anybody is just as likely to be false as true and that the only way to decide which, is to consider whether truth or a lie was likely to have paid best in that particular case. Religion he thinks one of the smartest business dodges extant, a first rate investment, and by all odds the most respectable disguise that a lying or swindling business man can wear. Honor he thinks is a sham. Honesty he considers a plausible word to flourish in the eyes of the greener portion of our race.... Poor fellow! he has exposed his own nakedness. Instead of showing that others are rotten inside, he has proved that he is."
— P.T. Barnum, in The Humbugs of the World
His gift for catching the public eye was unrivaled. Irving Wallace, in his biography The Fabulous Showman, tells this story of how Barnum created a buzz for his Museum:
One day a plump beggar came by for a handout. Instead, Barnum offered him a job at a dollar and a half a day. He handed the puzzled beggar five ordinary bricks. "Now," said Barnum, "go and lay a brick on the sidewalk at the corner of Broadway and Ann Street; another close by the Museum; a third diagonally across the way... put down the fourth on the sidewalk in front of St. Paul's Church, opposite; then, with the fifth brick in hand, take up a rapid march from one point to the other, making the circuit, exchanging your brick at every point, and say nothing to anyone.... [A]t the end of every hour by St. Paul's clock show this ticket at the Museum door; enter, walking solemnly through every hall in the building; pass out, and resume your work."
The beggar moved off with his five bricks, and began his idiot's play. Within half an hour, more than five hundred curious people were following him. In an hour, the crowd had doubled. When the brick-toting pied piper entered the Museum, dozens bought tickets to follow him. This continued throughout the day for several days, and Barnum's business showed a satisfying increase.
A museum is a place for families that are too rich to have a shed out back. It's where culturally elite children get molested.
:argh!: Oh shut up Alphapants. :lulz:
Sheds are holy places where you can pray to rakes and fertilizers and jerk off in private.
Quote from: The Great Pope of OUTSIDE on September 29, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
:argh!: Oh shut up Alphapants. :lulz:
A helpful tool for you. (http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com)
Quote from: Cramulus on September 29, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
Sheds are holy places where you can pray to rakes and fertilizers and jerk off in private.
And commune with spiders and other wildlife.
I've always thought "Pastafarianism" was intended as a satirical counterexample to creationism, the Church of the Subgenius was a gag for the sarcastic to run with, and Discordianism is someplace between enlightenment and psychosis. I guess you could say they're all poking at religion, but they do it in different ways, and maybe to different ends. I wonder if Pastafarianism lampoons contemporary Christian cosmogony, Subgenius mocks the hierarchical structures and pretenses of organized religion as being essentially cult-like (and exploitative), and discordianism is making at least one legitimate philosophical point that, due to its very nature, contradicts itself, thereby proving its point even more (and contradicting it again...). It's an infinite regress with no bottom level, except that sounds like a claim about what Discordianism actually is/says which would in turn refer to some bottom level. This does not mean Discordianism "is" whatever it is I'm saying here. More likely than not it just means my intellectual meanderings here are utter bullshit. Happy happy bullshit. I love the circus.
Thanks for the Barnum bit, Cramulus. It brings to my initially dichotic understanding (the first filter I'm using to assimilate notions) the opposite of what Barnum did. Granted, curiosity gets 'em in the door and money out of their pockets, but what anti-curiousities would Barnum use on the competition? What is it that drives people away from an otherwise good show? Should we use taint weapons of mild confusion on the machines of Anti-Slack? And what circuses are we all missing just because someone puked at the entrance?
Quote from: anthonyony on October 28, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
Should we use taint weapons of mild confusion on the machines of Anti-Slack?
I, for one, welcome the weaponization of taints.
In Open Letter To Kansas School Board, Pastafarian founder Bobby Henderson requests "that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories."
As a High Priest of Our Lady Eris, I'm Pastafarianism insofar as I think we should teach those three theories and more!!! Schools should teach evolution, intelligent design, Pastafarianism, Welteislehre, 8-circuit model, alien-slash-UFO intervention in civilizations (Egypt, Maya), fungi as alien intelligence...
Through the Pastafarian movement is how Discordianism (and more) might be taught in schools.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being male is misogynistic, chauvinistic political posturing.
(spoiler alert)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Eris in drag.
Quote from: PPPP on November 08, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
In Open Letter To Kansas School Board, Pastafarian founder Bobby Henderson requests "that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories."
As a High Priest of Our Lady Eris, I'm Pastafarianism insofar as I think we should teach those three theories and more!!! Schools should teach evolution, intelligent design, Pastafarianism, Welteislehre, 8-circuit model, alien-slash-UFO intervention in civilizations (Egypt, Maya), fungi as alien intelligence...
Through the Pastafarian movement is how Discordianism (and more) might be taught in schools.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being male is misogynistic, chauvinistic political posturing.
(spoiler alert)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Eris in drag.
The point of education is to inform children of proven scientific facts, not fill their heads with as many breeds of batshit stupidity as you can think of. So no, schools should not teach any of that garbage, either in addition to or in lieu of evolution.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 08, 2011, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: PPPP on November 08, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
In Open Letter To Kansas School Board, Pastafarian founder Bobby Henderson requests "that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories."
As a High Priest of Our Lady Eris, I'm Pastafarianism insofar as I think we should teach those three theories and more!!! Schools should teach evolution, intelligent design, Pastafarianism, Welteislehre, 8-circuit model, alien-slash-UFO intervention in civilizations (Egypt, Maya), fungi as alien intelligence...
Through the Pastafarian movement is how Discordianism (and more) might be taught in schools.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being male is misogynistic, chauvinistic political posturing.
(spoiler alert)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Eris in drag.
The point of education is to inform children of proven scientific facts, not fill their heads with as many breeds of batshit stupidity as you can think of. So no, schools should not teach any of that garbage, either in addition to or in lieu of evolution.
This.
We don't need to make the monkeys worse with even more stupid shit. There's spreading discord, and then there's just being an irresponsible ne'er-do-well with an ill thought-out plan to take on the man.
Discordianism can be better taught in school by instilling students with critical thinking skills.
Quote from: PPPP on November 08, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
In Open Letter To Kansas School Board, Pastafarian founder Bobby Henderson requests "that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories."
As a High Priest of Our Lady Eris, I'm Pastafarianism insofar as I think we should teach those three theories and more!!! Schools should teach evolution, intelligent design, Pastafarianism, Welteislehre, 8-circuit model, alien-slash-UFO intervention in civilizations (Egypt, Maya), fungi as alien intelligence...
Through the Pastafarian movement is how Discordianism (and more) might be taught in schools.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being male is misogynistic, chauvinistic political posturing.
(spoiler alert)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Eris in drag.
No, they are not theories, and they should not be taught. However, I think pulling apart religious texts with critical thinking would be an excellent exercise for students. It will of course never happen because someone will be offended.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 08, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: PPPP on November 08, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
In Open Letter To Kansas School Board, Pastafarian founder Bobby Henderson requests "that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories."
As a High Priest of Our Lady Eris, I'm Pastafarianism insofar as I think we should teach those three theories and more!!! Schools should teach evolution, intelligent design, Pastafarianism, Welteislehre, 8-circuit model, alien-slash-UFO intervention in civilizations (Egypt, Maya), fungi as alien intelligence...
Through the Pastafarian movement is how Discordianism (and more) might be taught in schools.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being male is misogynistic, chauvinistic political posturing.
(spoiler alert)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Eris in drag.
No, they are not theories, and they should not be taught. However, I think pulling apart religious texts with critical thinking would be an excellent exercise for students. It will of course never happen because someone will be offended.
I think the actual definition of the word theory as part of lesson one in critical thinking would be vital, now that you mention it.
I think the problem here is that the FSM started out as pure satire. The author wasn't really advocating that Pastafarism should be taught in the classroom, he was showing how stupid it is to advocate one faith over another when it comes to science.
So, to advocate all faiths be taught is not only not bringing in anything new to the joke, it's missing the point of the joke entirely.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 05:36:41 PM
I think the problem here is that the FSM started out as pure satire. The author wasn't really advocating that Pastafarism should be taught in the classroom, he was showing how stupid it is to advocate one faith over another when it comes to science.
So, to advocate all faiths be taught is not only not bringing in anything new to the joke, it's missing the point of the joke entirely.
Faugh! Next you're going to tell me Jonathan Swift didn't really advocate that we eat Irish babies as a delicacy!
No, no, that one's legit.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 05:36:41 PM
I think the problem here is that the FSM started out as pure satire. The author wasn't really advocating that Pastafarism should be taught in the classroom, he was showing how stupid it is to advocate one faith over another when it comes to science.
So, to advocate all faiths be taught is not only not bringing in anything new to the joke, it's missing the point of the joke entirely.
Correct summation of the FSM.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
No, no, that one's legit.
Good!
I'll have some Siobhan with a side of Diarmuid, and maybe some Niall for an appetizer.