Where to start? Well, I got this thing going. With this crazy chick. I've known her for some time now, and some of you know her too. And as far as I can tell, none of you like her. She's posted here before, and although she's not said so directly, I think she feels pretty fucking tainted by the whole experience. But that's OK, I suppose, After all, PD doesn't suit everyone.
I've been here, what? about 2 years now?
I've really enjoyed most of it. Some of you, I hold in very high esteem. No shit. For real. Most of you, I like immensly. Some of you, I like less. But there you go. Can't be all things to everyone. I can pretty much roll with most people, without falling out with them. In fact, I think I'm pretty laid back for the most part. And this place has really made me feel better about the whole World from time to time, and that's no mean feat. I like it here.
But anyway. back to my crazy chick. She has never asked me to defend her, She doesn't need me to defend her. And I wouldn't presume to speak for her.
I have, with her, got something rare. She's not like most other people I've ever met. We get on. We have an affininty. We talk about important stuff, we talk about meaningless shit, we talk about random stuff. Or we can share a comfortable silence. She talks lots about her children. She doesn't have a man looking out for her, but I do what I can to help. I don't do too badly from the relationship either. We're tight. And like I said, I've known her a few years. She's very special to me. And to be honest I'd be kinda lost without her. And she trusts me. Trusts me well enough to tell me all her crazy shit. Trusts me not to tell her wrong. It's all good.
She's intelligent, educated, travelled. She is at times infuriating, opinionated, and stubborn. Occasionally, she gets magnificent in wrath. Like only Women truly ever do. And she fights like a fucking Tiger, and doesn't take any shit from anyone. I think that's pretty fucking cool beans.
I got some shit to do now, but if anyone would like to comment, on anything I've said, feel free. Obviously I'd rather this didn't descend into fucking chaos, but y'know, whatever. I'll put it out here anyway.
Like my new Avatar btw? It's Judge Dredd. Dredd's the best Policeman America never gets. He IS the fucking Law. He's uncorruptable, brave, honourable, Rigid, but knows when to flex a little. Fearless, and a right double hard motherfucker, he is not to be fucked with. He fucking arrested Batman. For being a tooled up crazy vigilante! Locked him in a cell for fuck's sake. (Bout time someone from Regular Law Enforcement did that IMO)
But Dredd won't shoot you dead if he doesn't have to. He'll always defend the weak from the predator, the vulnerable from the mighty. He applies The Law with absolute impartiality, but still with consideration, compassion, and wisdom. Oh, did I mention? He was created by an Brit. And first drawn by a Spaniard. And has a long, rich history, background, and character. And despite all these good things, he was played in Hollywood one time. By Sly Fucking Stallone. I will never get over that.
I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
It's a wise man who knows that friendship is not transitive.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
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He fucking arrested Batman.
I don't support this.
It's OK, Batman doesn't post here. I love Batman, but he's a bit fucking loopy, in a kind of "Only just holding on" way. They're good now anyway. (Batman and Dredd) Mutual respect goes a long way.
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He fucking arrested Batman.
I don't support this.
It's OK, Batman doesn't post here.
Ah, nevermind then.
I didn't wanna get bataranged out of my computer chair and drop my cheesey gordita.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 07, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
It's a wise man who knows that friendship is not transitive.
I stopped being friends with that clown ages ago. Never had his own cigarettes, kept trying to make me get abortions I didn't need and I couldn't take him to Flippy's Fun World without getting kicked out for shitting in the ball pit.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
I could take up stalking people, too. Or insulting people like Freeky, who rarely, if ever, causes people offence. And I could say the meanest, most intentionally hurtful things to people for no apparent reason and then get all pissy and flounce because nobody likes me...followed, of course, by spending hours looking at the profiles of those who I imagined had offended me.
Up until today, BB was one of my favorite people on PD. Now he's just some guy on the interbutts.
So there's really not much more to say.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
Oh fuck off Roger, you stand exactly where you like, whenever you like. And that's fine, as long as you don't start jumping all up in my shit. Here's something to be going on with. You're a being a dick. That's something that isn't said nearly enough on this forum, but take it from me, you're being a dick. And I've seen some really A Class dicks in my time, and while you don't rate up there with the finest, you're most certainly being a dick. And not in a funny or constructive way, like you sometimes do. Just in a dickish way.
I was quite happy just not generally responding to you. Not for any particular reason. Just, yanno? for aesthetics. But I'm not going to sit here and take shit off you or anyone else. I've not done or said anything to provoke any trouble here. Broken no word, told no falsehoods. Acted in any way aggressively, not made any threats, or insults to anyone. Then all of a sudden, I'm the one with a target on my head.
Do you want to know exactly how much that intimidates me? (Here's a clue. Not very much) I don''t give a fuck mate. You can go on and on as usual about how fucking wronged you are. I've seen that so many times, it's comical.
You can paint me as black as you like. Get your snidey little knife out, and dig as deep as you like. It won't make you any righter than fucking wrong. I've done nothing to warrant any attack, directly or indirectly, from anyone. So forgive if I'm just standing my fucking ground here. Or don't. I don't fucking care. You've got nothing that you can level at me, that I've done. So fuck off, leave me the fuck alone, until you stop being a dick. And when/if that ever happens, I think I could live with you still leaving me the fuck alone.
:aaa:
Holy Lot's wife, I am a pile of salt. What the Baby Jesus-vibrator hell is going ON in here?
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
What the fuck are you on about Cain? When have I ever written nasty snide comments or poetry about anyone? Anyone here I mean. If I've got something to say, when have I ever been anything other than right up front about it? Oh, that's right! I haven't! So go and find some other pot of shit to stir, there's a good lad.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
What the fuck are you on about Cain? When have I ever written nasty snide comments or poetry about anyone? Anyone here I mean. If I've got something to say, when have I ever been anything other than right up front about it? Oh, that's right! I haven't! So go and find some other pot of shit to stir, there's a good lad.
I believe Cain is referring to the PMs ED has been sending.
Quote from: navkat on March 07, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
:aaa:
Holy Lot's wife, I am a pile of salt. What the Baby Jesus-vibrator hell is going ON in here?
Seconded.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
What the fuck are you on about Cain? When have I ever written nasty snide comments or poetry about anyone? Anyone here I mean. If I've got something to say, when have I ever been anything other than right up front about it? Oh, that's right! I haven't! So go and find some other pot of shit to stir, there's a good lad.
I believe Cain is referring to the PMs ED has been sending.
Got it in one.
Maybe you should pay attention more BB, there's a good lad.
I still don't understand OP. No butthurts but it sorta felt like it was supposed to be a passive-aggressive commentary on how someone (everyone) was mean to your girlfriend or some such which could be taken as an act of snideness, so...
Misunderstanding? Can we make attempts at not engaging in infantile internet fights plz?
Quote from: BadBeast on March 07, 2012, 04:40:38 PM
She's posted here before, and although she's not said so directly, I think she feels pretty fucking tainted by the whole experience.
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Occasionally, she gets magnificent in wrath. Like only Women truly ever do. And she fights like a fucking Tiger, and doesn't take any shit from anyone.
Drunken rambling and obsessive stalking wouldn't what I would call magnificent wrath.
A true friend would let someone know when they're being a drunken asshole and spilling their crazy all over the place.
Just saying.
Quote from: BadBeast on March 07, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
I've done nothing to warrant any attack, directly or indirectly, from anyone.
Not until you started attacking everyone else??
Giving a heads up that one's friend is being all creepy and abusive is hardly attacking you, unless you're looking for a reason to be offended, like most people are I suppose.
I've let people IRL know if someone they've brought along is doing this or that to spoil the fun for the rest of the lot. I don't see why it should be any different online. And certainly no reason to take personal offense and last out at everyone
^THIS.
And really, if you're so blinded by some third-rate poon on the other side of the planet that you can't see how the behavior that Eartha is engaging in with regards to this site is infantile, abusive, and downright INSANE then maybe I need to revise my previously high estimation of you. I mean, just because you're tight with someone doesn't mean you defend their most abhorrent behavior. If anything, it means you call them on it before things get to this point.
Quote from: BadBeast on March 07, 2012, 04:40:38 PM
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White-knighting for a mean-drunk internet girlfriend ITT
We need to stop being retards. The Eartha thread is out of control. This thread shouldn't even exist.
As someone who doesn't pick on anyone, rarely has any gratuitous nastiness and is pretty anti-cunt, I'm going to level with you: If the shit going on in that other thread is even a quarter accurate, some pretty inappropriate, bordering on threatening, cunt-like behaviour came out of your friend. Are people being mature and merciful about it? Fuck no. Did she bring it upon herself? Fuck yes.
This thread is both stupid and making the situation worse. I had no motivation to even open the Eartha thread until you started this one. It wasn't addressed to me, didn't concern me, I assumed it was some run-of-the-mill personal ATTN thread and ignored it. The creation of this attention-getting, "Dear Everyone" thread pulled me into witnessing some shit so ridiculous, so beyond absurd, I thought it was a joke at first.
So, three points:
1. This here thread is passive-aggressive to people who (aside from this temporary blurp) pretty much like you and your contributions. You say this girl can stand up for herself but you pretty much just publicly wiped her ass for her and then smeared the tissue on the walls in the livingroom. Thanks.
2. The behaviours highlighted in that thread are not the behaviours of an independent, strong-willed woman with a good head on her shoulders and a bit of a fiery temper. If shit really went down the way people say it went down (or even close to that) you're defending someone's abusive depravity and that makes me wonder about you. I'm thinking to myself "Is this guy okay? Is he damaged? Weak? Does he need help?" Or even worse: "Does this gent really believe stuff like this is okay?"
3. Ask yourself "What have I accomplished here? Did I make things better for my girl? Myself? Anyone who got hurt feelings? Or am I just fueling the butthurt and righteous indignation? Creating Schadenfreude where there wasn't any to begin? Feeding Ex-Lax to the monkeys?"
I want to close by saying I still internet-like you and think you're an okay guy. No homo. Don't get your dander up or think I'm picking on you. I'm just shooting straight with you.
Please, let's end this here. No more of this inane drama.
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I have nothing constructive to add.
Dok,
Complete cunt.
No shit? That should be your sig line.
Well, it's good to know exactly where I stand.
Thanks, BB. You've saved me an enormous amount of time & effort, though I have lost a bet.
If only you wrote nasty, snide comments and weird poetry to people in PMs, Dok. Then you too could be a constructive poster whom BB would approve of.
What the fuck are you on about Cain? When have I ever written nasty snide comments or poetry about anyone? Anyone here I mean. If I've got something to say, when have I ever been anything other than right up front about it? Oh, that's right! I haven't! So go and find some other pot of shit to stir, there's a good lad.
You know people would tolerate you acting like a cunt for no reason a lot more if you made even a token effort to understand what the hell is going on. Acting like a dick because someone is talking bad about your woman is something I can understand, but stupidity is a cardinal sin. If you dont even know what people are talking about then why the fuck are you even commenting?
BadBeast,
-why couldn't you have contained this butthurt to the other thread?
-why couldn't you have told your friend that she is being a creepy stalker or, if you did tell her, why not say "Hey, yeah, I know, I'm trying to get her to calm down" or whatever it is you get crazy people to do?
I think every member of PD should share their opinions on this matter. I bet they will all feel really good to get their interesting and important opinions out there for everybody to see.
Look, I kind of said this in the other thread, and I'll throw it out again here. I can understand why BB might be a bit taken aback by what happened in that other thread. I'm not talking about what did or didn't happen by way of the PMs from Eartha. I'm talking about how BB was publicly linked and sucked into that issue.
Let's put ourselves in those shoes for a minute. "Holy fuck WHN, you have a crazy friend who sends creepy, nutso stuff via PMs! What's up with that?"
Think about it. Why does that conversation need to happen in the public? It would've been one thing if it was a general thread to everyone commenting on the nutso PMs. That's completely different then publicly linking one person who seems to have an IRL friendship with the person. For me, it starts going down the road of public shaming. Or at least, I could see how the person named in the thread might feel that way.
And I'm sure that wasn't the intent of that thread title, but I think we have to think for a minute about how that might feel to us if we were in BB's position. Then we might understand why BB feels the way he does.
Just my perspective on this.
Quote from: navkat on March 07, 2012, 11:48:52 PM
Feeding Ex-Lax to the monkeys?"
I'm kind of in love with this line.
Chocolate Rain!
MAKE IT RAIN CHICKEN! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJExcDr82Q)
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 11:01:50 AM
Look, I kind of said this in the other thread, and I'll throw it out again here. I can understand why BB might be a bit taken aback by what happened in that other thread. I'm not talking about what did or didn't happen by way of the PMs from Eartha. I'm talking about how BB was publicly linked and sucked into that issue.
Let's put ourselves in those shoes for a minute. "Holy fuck WHN, you have a crazy friend who sends creepy, nutso stuff via PMs! What's up with that?"
Think about it. Why does that conversation need to happen in the public? It would've been one thing if it was a general thread to everyone commenting on the nutso PMs. That's completely different then publicly linking one person who seems to have an IRL friendship with the person. For me, it starts going down the road of public shaming. Or at least, I could see how the person named in the thread might feel that way.
And I'm sure that wasn't the intent of that thread title, but I think we have to think for a minute about how that might feel to us if we were in BB's position. Then we might understand why BB feels the way he does.
Just my perspective on this.
Here's the thing though, WHN. It's not like it's the first time ED has done stuff like this. And on the other foot, you've got the fact that the person who is sending these PMs is sending harassing messages to multiple people, and refuses to post anything at all, whether defense statements, content, or more insults in a public manner. Now, granted I agree that BB might feel persecuted because of the original thread title, and I can totally understand how that could be construed as an attack, but on the other hand, I had a crazy friend here (anybody remember Death?), I expected my friend to defend herself. Of course, my friend was only spouting insane teabagger rhetoric, and getting the appropriate beat downs, which is a far cry off from what ED is and has done.
As an aside, we need more Teabaggers on PD.
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on March 08, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
Now, granted I agree that BB might feel persecuted because of the original thread title, and I can totally understand how that could be construed as an attack, but on the other hand, I had a crazy friend here (anybody remember Death?), I expected my friend to defend herself. Of course, my friend was only spouting insane teabagger rhetoric, and getting the appropriate beat downs, which is a far cry off from what ED is and has done.
And the bolded is precisely the part I'm talking about. I know little to nothing about the PMs, postings, and antics of ED. What bothered me was the way BB got publicly linked to that drama. I think a general discussion in public, addressed to everyone on the board, would've been completely fair game. I think when it was focused on one person, who has a personal connection with ED, I think it probably went too far. And still, that thread has language calling him a racist, which I think is going too far as well.
I just think BB deserves better than that.
Wait, what?
Where did anyone call BB a racist?
I just checked the other thread, because I was wondering the same thing.
I'm going to have to ask for a link, RWHN, because I don't see it.
Quote from: Nigel on March 06, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
Dude, your buddy Eartha is some kind of bugfuck lunatic, isn't she? :lulz: You should see the rambling, abusive PMs she's sending me... bragging about her degrees/certificates (TESOL? People brag about that? Really?) and her world travels. It's... kind of amusing, kind of sad, and completely bizarre.
Oh, and BadBeast is also a racist, misogynist twat with a two-by-four up his ass and a sense of humor from 1987. :)
Oh oh oh, also he is a poopy-bottom, and eats boogies.
(Edited for greater sensitivity)
Oh right, that.
Well, unjustified, sure. But probably not unexpected after calling Nigel a "nasty cunt" and "snaggletoothed old bitch" and various other names.
I mean, I would like to mention that edit was made after BB went on a mad tirade against Nigel and Dok, and said tirade may have something to do with the response.
I'll concede it was unfair, as soon as BB concedes those insults were unfair and apologizes for them.
Name-calling is so 1987. Subtlety convincing someone that they're intrinsically damaged and everyone's laughing at them behind their back is where it's at.
Don't worry Navkat, we laugh in your face as well.
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 08, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
Wait, what?
Where did anyone call BB a racist?
After he went spazzy in the thread and referenced the fact that he was still butthurt over my "lolmisogyny" comment about his generic repost of someone else's unfunny joke, I changed the thread title to be more sensitive of his feelings, and edited the OP to say that he's racist, sexist, a poopybottom, and a boogie-eater. Oh, and has a sense of humor from 1987.
I hope it is extremely clear for everyone who lacks the razor-sharp intellect of RWHN that all of those are meant 100% literally and that I was in no way making fun of the situation.
Also, may I point out that there have been other "ATTN: hey dude your friend is crazy/an asshole/whatever" threads here before, and the difference is that nobody went whiny white-knight crybaby over it.
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
Oh right, that.
Well, unjustified, sure. But probably not unexpected after calling Nigel a "nasty cunt" and "snaggletoothed old bitch" and various other names.
I mean, I would like to mention that edit was made after BB went on a mad tirade against Nigel and Dok, and said tirade may have something to do with the response.
I'll concede it was unfair, as soon as BB concedes those insults were unfair and apologizes for them.
Thanks, Cain.
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Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
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Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Well, except for the harrassment via PM. But no shiny people were involved, so no biggie, right?
And RWHN, I can't tell you how much I appreciate that you utilized your acute sense of social justice to call me out on my unfair oppression and harsh cruelty for editing my OP to call BB "a racist, misogynist twat with a two-by-four up his ass and a sense of humor from 1987" and "a poopy-bottom, and eats boogies", but it is evidently totally fine and justified in your eyes for him to have first called me a "nasty cunt" and "a nasty, snaggletoothed old bitch" because I put "attn: Badbeast" in a thread about how his batshit internet girlfriend is harassing the shit out of me in PM.
No, really; I mean I really appreciate it to the fullest degree possible. And all it tells me about who you are.
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Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Yeah, racist is sort of the Nu-Godwin, however, I think what Nigel's saying is that they were
deliberately being absurd as a way to express her outrage without crossing lines...essentially like calling a jewish person a nazi. Everyone knows you don't
seriously believe that and in the meantime, you decompress. I do it all the time. It's laffs.
I understand that. I just don't think it is constructive which has been my whole point.
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here. I think this kind of stuff doesn't help. I'm just humbly suggesting there are alternative ways to handle things that prevent board flare-ups.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
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Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Well, except for the harrassment via PM. But no shiny people were involved, so no biggie, right?
We're unclean, though, so we deserved it.
But I get the message loud and clear; I should have kept my mouth shut and kept private business private; it's nobody else's business to know what goes on behind closed doors.
Put those sunglasses on and if anybody asks, you fell down the stairs. Right? :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Well, except for the harrassment via PM. But no shiny people were involved, so no biggie, right?
We're unclean, though, so we deserved it.
But I get the message loud and clear; I should have kept my mouth shut and kept private business private; it's nobody else's business to know what goes on behind closed doors.
Put those sunglasses on and if anybody asks, you fell down the stairs. Right? :lulz:
Walked right into the fucking door.
Stop running into doorknobs, bitch! :lulz:
Quote from: navkat on March 08, 2012, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Yeah, racist is sort of the Nu-Godwin, however, I think what Nigel's saying is that they were deliberately being absurd as a way to express her outrage without crossing lines...essentially like calling a jewish person a nazi. Everyone knows you don't seriously believe that and in the meantime, you decompress. I do it all the time. It's laffs.
No, clearly I totally 100% seriously meant that Badbeast is a racist, sexist poopy-bottomed boogie-eater from 1987. Literally.
RWHN gets that, why can't everybody else?
I don't know if you've noticed but I'm slower than the other children.
Badbeast, when are you going to stop eating boogers, clean your ass and treat women and black people as equals?
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here.
I think that has more to do with the fact that anything BESIDES drama threads gets immediately derailed, because a lot of people here would sell their own mother to get in an epigram, pun, or poop joke.
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
And let's face facts: If Charles Manson came on this board and attacked Nigel (or to a lesser extent, me), you'd find good reasons to either support his arguments or criticize her rebuttal. It's pretty transparent, and just about 100% consistent.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
I understand that. I just don't think it is constructive which has been my whole point.
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here. I think this kind of stuff doesn't help. I'm just humbly suggesting there are alternative ways to handle things that prevent board flare-ups.
Yeah, the important thing is that we don't call out people who harass and abuse regular users via PM, or mention by name the people who inexplicably support their behavior, because it might deplete the audience.
We've seen how well not ever offending those people works on other boards, why not try it here? Maybe we can invite back Lumberjim and Snake-Man, too. We need to create an environment where people feel free to privately bully anyone who isn't shiny as much as they want without fear of public reprise.
Quote from: navkat on March 08, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
I don't know if you've noticed but I'm slower than the other children.
Badbeast, when are you going to stop eating boogers, clean your ass and treat women and black people as equals?
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2012, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
I understand that. I just don't think it is constructive which has been my whole point.
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here. I think this kind of stuff doesn't help. I'm just humbly suggesting there are alternative ways to handle things that prevent board flare-ups.
Yeah, the important thing is that we don't call out people who harass and abuse regular users via PM, or mention by name the people who inexplicably support their behavior, because it might deplete the audience.
We've seen how well not ever offending those people works on other boards, why not try it here? Maybe we can invite back Lumberjim and Snake-Man, too. We need to create an environment where people feel free to privately bully anyone who isn't shiny as much as they want without fear of public reprise.
See my above response to Howl.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here.
I think that has more to do with the fact that anything BESIDES drama threads gets immediately derailed, because a lot of people here would sell their own mother to get in an epigram, pun, or poop joke.
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
And let's face facts: If Charles Manson came on this board and attacked Nigel (or to a lesser extent, me), you'd find good reasons to either support his arguments or criticize her rebuttal. It's pretty transparent, and just about 100% consistent.
Yep. Everything you just said.
Especially the part about content being derailed. We can even get going on an awesome collaborative thread, and some jackass will feel the need to show off how clever he is not by contributing to the theme of the thread, but by derailing it with some idiotic joke. I think it's some kind of neurotic attention-shifting ploy, honestly.
And if it's not that, it's someone complaining about how much the few people who still bother saying anything post. Because evidently it makes the people who don't bother posting feel bad, or something.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
A moment ago, you were just saying that the racist comment was the problem.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
Oh, what a load of bullshit. :lulz: Please.
Massive cowardly backpedaling ITT.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
A moment ago, you were just saying that the racist comment was the problem.
Well, yeah, the racist comment directed at the innocent bystander who didn't need to be dragged into the issue.
Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2012, 04:16:53 PM
Especially the part about content being derailed. We can even get going on an awesome collaborative thread, and some jackass will feel the need to show off how clever he is not by contributing to the theme of the thread, but by derailing it with some idiotic joke.
And of course, it's no use getting upset...That only encourages the behavior.
I've just cut back on the amount of effort I put into things I write. After all, it's just going to turn into a pun-fest, poop-joke, or completely unrelated conversation about motorcycles or some shit.
Quote from: navkat on March 08, 2012, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Fair enough, it would be optimal if cooler heads would prevail on either side of the equation.
I just get an extra little twinge when I see someone being called a racist. For my sensibilities, that's on a different level than calling each other assholes, and the like.
Eartha and BB tried to hit as hard as they could, to upset Nigel and I as much as possible.
I see no different level here. What I see is a nasty response to a nasty attack. What I also see is that for some people, different standards are applied to different people.
No. I personally would have a problem with anyone who called anyone else a racist. And I happen to think even in the heat of a nasty argument, calling someone a racist is just plain un-called for. Is it un-called for to call someone a nasty bitch, cunt, whatever? Absolutely. I think BB was wrong for that. I think Nigel was wrong for calling BB a racist. And I think it was wrong to bring BB into this to begin with. All kinds of wrong that would have easily been avoided if it was kept out of the public sphere.
Yeah, racist is sort of the Nu-Godwin, however, I think what Nigel's saying is that they were deliberately being absurd as a way to express her outrage without crossing lines...essentially like calling a jewish person a nazi. Everyone knows you don't seriously believe that and in the meantime, you decompress. I do it all the time. It's laffs.
(http://i.imgur.com/JmjSz.gif)
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
A moment ago, you were just saying that the racist comment was the problem.
Well, yeah, the racist comment directed at the innocent bystander who didn't need to be dragged into the issue.
And if not, then something else. Fact is, non-shiny people are involved, therefore you already know your position, though the arguments may change from time to time.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
But stating that someone being stalked should shut their gob or the board will die is bullshit.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that an innocent bystander shouldn't be dragged into it.
A moment ago, you were just saying that the racist comment was the problem.
Well, yeah, the racist comment directed at the innocent bystander who didn't need to be dragged into the issue.
The racist comment accompanied with "poopybottom" and "boogie-eater", which was not only clearly (at least to everyone but you) intended to be over-the-top and absurd, but also which, as you already know perfectly well, AND which has been stated twice in this thread, was added to the OP ONLY
AFTER Badbeast called me "nasty cunt" and "a nasty, snaggletoothed old bitch".
But, go on and rewrite reality to suit your agenda. You might be buying it, but nobody else is.
FFS what is this bullshit? Innocent bystander, like Howl and Nigel are gunning down random people in the street.
An important issue (Eartha is losing her fucking shit!) was raised in a humorous manner (Wow BB your friend is bugfuck!) and rather than see it as that, BB decided that it was a direct personal attack on him because... .... ...... well presumably because he didn't put on his big boy panties that morning or some such nonsense.
And then after flipping out Nigel gave as good as she got. Oh the humanity.
This is fucking ridiculous.
Obviously we should now all be super serious all the time and state only precisely what we mean without any chance for misinterpretation or misunderstanding. Otherwise the flamewars will burn the firewall and then where will we be?
I move we make it against the rules to post in anything other than e-prime.
Then we could say: My friends it appears that communications from Eartha have been received, which are not within the expected parameters. It seems to me that in these circumstances Eartha might come across as crazy, and may possibly be planning to assault me with an empty gin bottle at some point in the future. If this is the case then I believe I would like to take issue with this. Perhaps her friends would like to weigh in on the matter? It would seem to me that their input could be valuable in resolving this regrettable happenstance.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 08, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
FFS what is this bullshit? Innocent bystander, like Howl and Nigel are gunning down random people in the street.
An important issue (Eartha is losing her fucking shit!) was raised in a humorous manner (Wow BB your friend is bugfuck!) and rather than see it as that, BB decided that it was a direct personal attack on him because... .... ...... well presumably because he didn't put on his big boy panties that morning or some such nonsense.
And then after flipping out Nigel gave as good as she got. Oh the humanity.
This is fucking ridiculous.
Thank you.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 08, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
FFS what is this bullshit? Innocent bystander, like Howl and Nigel are gunning down random people in the street.
An important issue (Eartha is losing her fucking shit!) was raised in a humorous manner (Wow BB your friend is bugfuck!) and rather than see it as that, BB decided that it was a direct personal attack on him because... .... ...... well presumably because he didn't put on his big boy panties that morning or some such nonsense.
And then after flipping out Nigel gave as good as she got. Oh the humanity.
This is fucking ridiculous.
Thank you.
Seconded.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
I understand that. I just don't think it is constructive which has been my whole point.
Look, I don't know if people have noticed but there has been a slow drip-drip of attrition here. I think this kind of stuff doesn't help. I'm just humbly suggesting there are alternative ways to handle things that prevent board flare-ups.
Flare-ups have never been the problem here. In fact, the larger ones tend to correlate with the biggest month-by-month spikes in board activity (cf: Dead Kennedy). PD has been and always will be the kind of place where if you can't take the heat, you should get the fuck out of the kitchen. I'm all about attracting and keeping poster,s but not indiscriminately and I sure as hell am never going to be OK with the idea of toning down the way we are to accommodate the sensitivities of those with a lack of testicular fortitude.
And for the record, Nigel's teeth are fabulously straight. I myself am somewhat envious of her mouth.
Nigel, as a Colored Person you should know that you have a major responsibility to us White Folk that you abused. When you call White Folk racist, it might make them feel bad about centuries of racial discrimination, some of which they had no direct hand in perpetrating. That's abusing our White Guilt, and we won't stand for it.
</sarcasm> (since clearly we need to communicate tone better around here.)
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 08, 2012, 05:31:10 PM
And for the record, Nigel's teeth are fabulously straight. I myself am somewhat envious of her mouth.
Seconded. Having met Nigel, I can say with authority that she is smoking hot in this and many other respects. Even if she does habitually leave her car door open, which is against the law in her state
1.
1 No shit.
Wow. This thread.
WHN has totally lost the plot, and the backpedalling and goalpost moving here is championship work. A+, man.
In less cynical observations, WHN, I see that you are calling Nigel out on calling BB a racist, and going on at length about how it gets to you, and while that's pretty slanderous an insult it isn't exactly a personal one, like what BB gave to Nigel which instigated the whole thing.
I notice too that you didn't say anything about BB's behavior until after it was pointed out by other people, and that's the important part. AFTER it got pointed out.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and say you're doing it because you hate Nigel. Other people are already doing that. But can you at least see why? I mean, if you aren't simply attacking what Nigel said because it's Nigel who said it, then why didn't you call BB out on getting seriously personal on Nigel?
Well, it's all academic now. I came to my senses and remembered that, regardless of whether some of us might find great lulz there, one of the few things we ban people for here is abusive/stalking/threatening behavior. Quite frankly, if eartha lived in North America I'd be seriously considering calling the police and/or having a restraining order taken out. And I know for damn certain that I don't want this sort of thing perpetuating itself on a site that I am legally tied to, and though I won't speak for Faust I imagine he'd feel much the same about it. So Eartha is banned from PD and if she wants to take her creepy insane rage out on the people here she'll have to find somewhere else to do it.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 08, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
Well, it's all academic now. I came to my senses and remembered that, regardless of whether some of us might find great lulz there, one of the few things we ban people for here is abusive/stalking/threatening behavior. Quite frankly, if eartha lived in North America I'd be seriously considering calling the police and/or having a restraining order taken out. And I know for damn certain that I don't want this sort of thing perpetuating itself on a site that I am legally tied to, and though I won't speak for Faust I imagine he'd feel much the same about it. So Eartha is banned from PD and if she wants to take her creepy insane rage out on the people here she'll have to find somewhere else to do it.
You got it, baby. This is
exactly what I've always liked about the way this forum is modded. If you ain't got this, you ain't got nuthin.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2012, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 08, 2012, 05:31:10 PM
And for the record, Nigel's teeth are fabulously straight. I myself am somewhat envious of her mouth.
Seconded. Having met Nigel, I can say with authority that she is smoking hot in this and many other respects. Even if she does habitually leave her car door open, which is against the law in her state1.
1 No shit.
Aw! You guys are nice. :)
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 08, 2012, 05:53:24 PM
Nigel, as a Colored Person you should know that you have a major responsibility to us White Folk that you abused. When you call White Folk racist, it might make them feel bad about centuries of racial discrimination, some of which they had no direct hand in perpetrating. That's abusing our White Guilt, and we won't stand for it.
</sarcasm> (since clearly we need to communicate tone better around here.)
:lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 08, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
Well, it's all academic now. I came to my senses and remembered that, regardless of whether some of us might find great lulz there, one of the few things we ban people for here is abusive/stalking/threatening behavior. Quite frankly, if eartha lived in North America I'd be seriously considering calling the police and/or having a restraining order taken out. And I know for damn certain that I don't want this sort of thing perpetuating itself on a site that I am legally tied to, and though I won't speak for Faust I imagine he'd feel much the same about it. So Eartha is banned from PD and if she wants to take her creepy insane rage out on the people here she'll have to find somewhere else to do it.
Good fucking riddance! And thank you.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 08, 2012, 07:35:42 PM
Wow. This thread.
WHN has totally lost the plot,
I think you lost a bit of the plot as well, this was my first post in this thread:
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 08, 2012, 11:01:50 AM
Look, I kind of said this in the other thread, and I'll throw it out again here. I can understand why BB might be a bit taken aback by what happened in that other thread. I'm not talking about what did or didn't happen by way of the PMs from Eartha. I'm talking about how BB was publicly linked and sucked into that issue.
Let's put ourselves in those shoes for a minute. "Holy fuck WHN, you have a crazy friend who sends creepy, nutso stuff via PMs! What's up with that?"
Think about it. Why does that conversation need to happen in the public? It would've been one thing if it was a general thread to everyone commenting on the nutso PMs. That's completely different then publicly linking one person who seems to have an IRL friendship with the person. For me, it starts going down the road of public shaming. Or at least, I could see how the person named in the thread might feel that way.
And I'm sure that wasn't the intent of that thread title, but I think we have to think for a minute about how that might feel to us if we were in BB's position. Then we might understand why BB feels the way he does.
Just my perspective on this.
This has been the main thrust of my perspective on this episode from the beginning.
In my second post I note that I think the racist comment was too far.
In my third post I acknowledge that the insults are coming from both sides, but that for me personally, calling someone a racist, is a step beyond calling people assholes, cunts, bitches, etc., Do I think those other things are nice? Of course not, but I think calling someone a racist is just on a different level. That is just my thing. I think I'm free to share my opinion on that and I choose to exercise that freedom.
Yes, and I knew this from the beginning the interpretation of me commenting on an episode initiated by Nigel. Think what you want, but I felt it was important to have the discussion. I still stand by my main assertion which is this whole thing would've been avoided by either keeping it in PMs or making the thread a general discussion that didn't suck in someone who didn't create the abusive and harrasing PMs. It may not have been intended to publicly shame someone for having shitty friends, but I can see how someone might interpret that way. Thus, why I think restraint should be exercised or at least entertained.
You still failed to address the distinction between BB calling Nigel a cunt and a snaggletooth whore in all seriousness and Nigel calling BB a racist misogynist booger-eater (or whatever the exact words were) in what to every single other person who read it was obviously NOT all seriousness.
Nuance is your friend.
Also, RWHN, do you really want to drag this out?
(hint: no, no you don't)
I remember when I first joined the Navy and was in bootcamp, I was in a compartment with 88 other women...no, let me back up. That's 88 18-year-old female people, most of whom were away from their parents (and highschool! Partay!) for the first time since they were allowed to stay out all night after Prom.
None of them could shut up.
Taps was at 2200 and Revile at 0500. New place, foreign sleeping arrangements, no privacy, nervous as hell about being in the military (G.I. JANE OMFG LOL). Did I mention none of them could shut up?
So after the RDCs left the compartment for the night, Fore and Aft watches, green as hell, standing "duty," and lights were out, the giggling, talking, crying, whimpering and general hilarity ensued.
Then, there were the "shushers."
"Shhhhh!"
"Ladies, Taps is OVER. That means shut UP and go to SLEEP"
"SHHHHHHHHH!"
"No, you SHHHHHH!"
"HEY, IF EVERYONE WOULD STOP SAYING "SHHHH," AND JUST SHUT UP, WE COULD ALL SHUT UP AND GO TO SLEEP!"
"SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
"Hey, you fuckin bitches, I don't know about you, but I don't wanna get dropped because none of y'all can shut the fuck UP."
"Would you just stop cussing, stop going "SHHHHH" and shut UP?!?"
It was madness. Recursive madness. Until midnight. Really.
If everyone would stop posting in this thread, then people would stop posting in this thread and the drama would DIE. Will all of you just SHHHHHHHHHH?
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 08, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
Also, RWHN, do you really want to drag this out?
(hint: no, no you don't)
Fine, I've said my piece and I felt it was important for that piece to be said.
The last point I will add in response to an earlier post is that I think calling someone a racist is indeed a personal insult.
Anyway, BB, if you are reading this I hope you let this dissipate and then stick around. You've definitely been a great piece of this crazy, fucked up puzzle.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 09, 2012, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 08, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
Also, RWHN, do you really want to drag this out?
(hint: no, no you don't)
Fine, I've said my piece and I felt it was important for that piece to be said.
The last point I will add in response to an earlier post is that I think calling someone a racist is indeed a personal insult.
How about racist, sexist, poopy-bottomed boogie-eater? I mean, I think the poopy bottom and the boogie eating parts are pretty personal too.
Listen RWHN, I know you have a personal vendetta against me, but your insistence that the "racist" part of "racist, sexist, poopy-bottomed boogie-eater" somehow stands out as a serious personal insult that should be taken completely seriously defies all credibility.
And apparently, calling someone a snaggletooth whore is NOT a personal insult. You should have just shut up and taken that shit, Nigel.
More to the point, RWHN was noticeably silent about BB's insults before Nigel changed the OP.
There are two standards being clearly demonstrated here.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 09, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
More to the point, RWHN was noticeably silent about BB's insults before Nigel changed the OP.
There are two standards being clearly demonstrated here.
Sorry, everyone, that was me. Freeky was logged in and I didn't notice it.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 12:34:25 AM
And apparently, calling someone a snaggletooth whore is NOT a personal insult. You should have just shut up and taken that shit, Nigel.
Just like what happens in private, stays in private... abuse is nobody else's business.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 12:34:25 AM
And apparently, calling someone a snaggletooth whore is NOT a personal insult. You should have just shut up and taken that shit, Nigel.
It's clearly not like calling someone racist.
At least, not if I'm the one doing it.
Yeah, what with the whole internet thing and all,
ALERT: FREEKY IS ABOUT TO HAVE A WHITE AND PRIVELEGED MOMENT
"racist" doesn't even seem like a terrible word anymore. But "snaggletoothed whore" is always a personal attack. I really would like WHN to tell me how racist is worse than snaggletoothed whore, which is why I asked him those questions.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 09, 2012, 03:52:03 AM
Yeah, what with the whole internet thing and all,
ALERT: FREEKY IS ABOUT TO HAVE A WHITE AND PRIVELEGED MOMENT
"racist" doesn't even seem like a terrible word anymore. But "snaggletoothed whore" is always a personal attack. I really would like WHN to tell me how racist is worse than snaggletoothed whore, which is why I asked him those questions.
See "White Guilt" post from earlier.
Well well well, what a lively little thread. And to think I only dropped this here because I didn't want to leave blazing mad after that fight. Come back in, and this shit grows 7 pages? And everyone's got an opinion. I love it when we all get together and share like this, don't you? And don't get me wrong I read the thread. Every post. Great to see that good old PD Community spirit again. At least, I think that's what it was.
When I logged in on Tuesday, I think it was, things were a bit different. Look at new posts, like you do. New thread. "Attn BadBeast" thirty odd posts. Best get in there , see what that's about then. Quite a surprise, to tell the truth.
Because I've never griefed up anyone here, attacked them, flamed them, insulted them, fallen out with, argued with, or fought, beyond the usual good natured cut and thrust.
I hadn't ( To my knowledge) upset anyone, or said much of anything really, recently. So I log in, to that thread. And fucking hell! I'm under attack here. And they're using my friend as ammo. Nigel's called it. Roger's straight in on page one. And there were another 29 fucking pages. Well, I've seen it happen before. I know how this shit goes. And I have no idea where it's come from. The whole thing had fuck all to do with me in the first place. And Eartha doesn't post here anymore. So . . . .I'm fucked.
I can't ignore it. But I never did anything to deserve it. As far as I can tell, it's got no reasoning behind it. It's got fuck all to do with me. But my name is on the thread. And I most certainly am not going to roll over and take this shit. So I fire a few fucks across Nigel first. Next? Roger. Always take the biggest one out as soon as you can isn't it? (Like I say, I've seen this shit before, just not all pointed at me)
I never asked for this, not ever. And if I want to air some beef I got, I do it directly. Not by dragging their friends out of, to my knowledge, nowhere, and all across a public forum. Where she doesn't even post.
But it dawns on me after a minute or two. Right, It's an attack on Eartha. Well she's my friend. And that's something i don't take lightly friendship. See, I don't know anything about any of any of this PM Bollocks. The only thing I know, is that it had fuck all to do with me. And Eartha hadn't put me on any spot here, Nigel had. For no fucking reason that I could fathom. Dok's lining up next, and Cain. So I come out fighting. Is anyone surprised? Some of you seem to think I was a little harsh. Well and good. That's how I react when someone's fucking with me for no good reason. But what's done is done. The only person who tried to help, and calm things down or seemed even the least bit concerned that something wasn't right, also gets his fucking arse chewed off. Well, All I saw was a fucking Lynch mob. With my name as the title. If I got a bit lairy, (I did, didn't I?) and had the balls to stand up to this unwarranted attack, then maybe next time someone want's to fuck with me, they might think again. And all this unpleasantness can be avoided.
I don't think I'm an unreasonable man, I'm not belligerent particularly, and I don't fuck with anyone unless I have a good fucking reason. Even then, I would never use a set up like that "Attn BadBeast" thread. No, seriously, I wouldn't. But I'm not going to keep on about it. I think I said all I had to say in anger, on Tuesday.
Oh, and I nearly forgot. The OP (Quite ambiguously, I know. Bite me.) wasn't referencing Eartha at all.
It was another crazy chick I know. One who I haven't seen in here for quite a while. I do hope she hasn't inadvertently been banned. The bit about her fighting like a Tiger doesn't really capture the magnitude of her rages. I've known her over 25 years, and while I love her very dearly indeed, I wouldn't like to try talking her down from the Mountain.
Clarity of an OP's purpose is on the writer, dude.
Also, lighten up.
You lighten up. I'm fine.
BB, i gotta admit, I still don't quite follow your logic here. I mean, if you're not sure what's going on, or whatever, why not come in with a "hey now, wot's all this 'en?"? And when you realized that it was about Eartha... then.. why the fuck didn't you say "hy now, let's take a step back. I sort of jumped into something I was not fully prepared to, let's try to start over and let me see if we can makes sense of this mess"? i mean, coming in guns blazing, and then trying to maintain that after you've realized that you not in the situation you thought is kind of.. well, ridiculous to be honest. On the one hand, Eartha's your friend, and you've got loyalty. i can dig that. On the other hand, you are (or should be) aware that she is somewhat of a pariah around here, and the reason for that is because she tends to do bizarre abusive shit to people with little or no provocation, from what we have been able to observe of her behavior (and for some of us, it's been not only here at PD). While there are many ways to handle this situation, I, personally, would think continuing firing random shots in the dark and then starting a thread that is tagential to that, but can easily be conflated with that situation is not the best way of handling it. I mean, dude, I don't think you've gone round the bend just yet, but I really don't know what to make of this. Until recently, Eartha was able to defend herself from these accusations if she had so chosen. You could have encouraged her to post in her own defense, Pm'd someone, like Nigel for instance, to ask hat was going or please cease and desist or whatever you wanted to ask in a more... diplomatic way, I suppose. Personally, I'm a fan of posting :? and then waiting for someone to figure out that I have no idea what the fuck they are on about, but that's just me.
Anyway, I am still unclear about why this semed like a good idea, uless you wanted a fight. Before I sart repeating myself, I'll just say, I don't mean any of that as a criticism of your character, I'm just saying I don't get where you are coming from, or rather, why you are coming from there.
I didn't see any attacks on you in Nigel's OP. To me it looked both like a question to you why your friend is being acrazy psycho, did you know that she was one? and also, you know, bringing up the horrible shit Eartha was doing into the public eye, because jesus.
I don't have a damn thing against you, BB, except for the nasty fucking names you called me.
You might even notice that instead of responding in kind, I attempted to make a bitter joke of it by changing the thread title and then giving you what you seemed to think I already had, but in the form of a ridiculously over-the-top and inapplicable string of insults.
But what do YOU do if one day you have a string of completely insane abusive PMs in your box? Maybe try to share it with your community in a way that isn't "Hey, yo, I'm calling the police, mmmkay?"
Maybe putting your name in the title wasn't the best idea. But I was pretty damn bemused by having the response to "So what's up with viewing my profile and posts for hours?" be such a weirdly nasty assault on my humanity. And my intent with that thread was not to jab at YOU, but to publicly call out Eartha for her insane, shitty, abusive behavior right in front of her friend. Like, hey, you said this shit in private, but how do you feel about your friends knowing about it, eh?
Which is also why I forwarded those PM's to you, so that you could see and judge for yourself.
But apparently, your friendship with her is such that any behavior by her is excusable, while any retaliation against her makes someone a snaggletoothed whore, or somesuch.
BB, I think a simple "hey, guys, can you leave me out of this shit? thanks" would have been sufficient. As far as I can tell nobody is impugning your character for defending a friend, we just think your response was COMPLETELY out of proportion to whatever unintended offense you took.
I can't speak for anyone else, but as far as I'm concerned whatever eartha's deal is is her own and I'm not conflating her behavior with yours. I know you're probably chapped that I banned her, but I'm the guy who's legally on the hook here and I'm not willing to be responsible for allowing her to continue or escalate her behavior here. But I like you and I enjoy your posts and I hope you don't stop posting here over some drama that is only tangentially related to you.
I think you and Nigel should probably apologize to each other and shake hands, but you're all grown ups and I'm sure you can decide for yourselves if and when that's appropriate.
Like I said Phoxy, I saw Lynch mob. And posted I think 2 posts before I thought it might have been meant for Eartha. There was no confusion, it was still a fucking lynch mob. Only it was just using me to attack my friend. Which is like, even worse if anything. I don't lose my shit over fuck all. Shit, I'm easy to get along with. And I am pretty careful not to upset anyone.
But I couldn't deal with that shit any differently. And if the same thing happened again tomorrow, then that's more than likely how I'd react tomorrow.
I'm not complicated. Or irrational. Or butthurt. I don't hold grudges. I'm not looking for a fight. It's done. I'm not making any excuses for my behaviour. Or picking the bones over to see how it might have gone differently. I'm certainly not firing random shots in the dark. It's done, dusted. I never started any of it, remember? And I'd just as soon move on.
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
Me too. I didn't read any of that thread as Lynch Mob. :?
I saw it as "hey, someone's fucking with me via Pm, what do?"
Look Nigel, I was out of the blue, deliberately dropped into a fucking horrible situation that had nothing to do with me, where I could see no other options other than to react like I did. I'm not a Saint. I don't respond well to being fucked with like that. (Although I think that's probably loud and clear by now)
And when I said I don't do grudge, It's the truth. I'm not keeping any shit list, or waiting for a chance to get some sort of revenge. That ain't me at all. I'm not even angry. But all I want to do now, is draw a line under it. This has had some bitchin fallout. I am offering my hand now, with every bit of grace I can. I am genuinely sorry about this, but all I can manage at the moment, by way of apology is a sincere promise that as soon as I feel any remorse or twinge of conscience over calling you nasty names, I'll apologise.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 09, 2012, 03:52:03 AM
Yeah, what with the whole internet thing and all,
ALERT: FREEKY IS ABOUT TO HAVE A WHITE AND PRIVELEGED MOMENT
"racist" doesn't even seem like a terrible word anymore. But "snaggletoothed whore" is always a personal attack. I really would like WHN to tell me how racist is worse than snaggletoothed whore, which is why I asked him those questions.
Under advice of counsel I'm staying out of this deal. If you really want to know feel free to start another thread. I will only say that I strongly disagree with your opinion as represented in this post.
Quote from: BadBeast on March 09, 2012, 06:06:55 AM
Look Nigel, I was out of the blue, deliberately dropped into a fucking horrible situation that had nothing to do with me, where I could see no other options other than to react like I did. I'm not a Saint. I don't respond well to being fucked with like that. (Although I think that's probably loud and clear by now)
And when I said I don't do grudge, It's the truth. I'm not keeping any shit list, or waiting for a chance to get some sort of revenge. That ain't me at all. I'm not even angry. But all I want to do now, is draw a line under it. This has had some bitchin fallout. I am offering my hand now, with every bit of grace I can. I am genuinely sorry about this, but all I can manage at the moment, by way of apology is a sincere promise that as soon as I feel any remorse or twinge of conscience over calling you nasty names, I'll apologise.
You don't have to feel
remourse, you know. Sometimes "I'm sorry" means "I agree that was a dumb way to handle things and kind of mean and even though I'm still angry at you, I wished I'd made better choices expressing my frustration."
And that's fair because I don't think Nigel or Dok necessarily feel
remourse either but I'm sure in a few days with no further incident, they'll feel "normal" towards you again. You make good contributions here.
This is the
internet--fecal matter occurs. Save your
remourse for those 7-year-old, transgendered Korean sex-workers you have hidden in your crawlspace IRL. ;)
Quote from: BadBeast on March 09, 2012, 04:17:04 AM
I hadn't ( To my knowledge) upset anyone, or said much of anything really, recently. So I log in, to that thread. And fucking hell! I'm under attack here. And they're using my friend as ammo.
Jesus, are you really that self-centered? :lulz:
Quote from: BadBeast on March 09, 2012, 06:06:55 AM
Look Nigel, I was out of the blue, deliberately dropped into a fucking horrible situation that had nothing to do with me, where I could see no other options other than to react like I did. I'm not a Saint. I don't respond well to being fucked with like that. (Although I think that's probably loud and clear by now)
Damn. You have shown me the wrath of Badbeast. I for one will never make a thread that mentions you in the title and then has nothing to do with you.
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And when I said I don't do grudge, It's the truth. I'm not keeping any shit list, or waiting for a chance to get some sort of revenge. That ain't me at all. I'm not even angry. But all I want to do now, is draw a line under it. This has had some bitchin fallout. I am offering my hand now, with every bit of grace I can. I am genuinely sorry about this, but all I can manage at the moment, by way of apology is a sincere promise that as soon as I feel any remorse or twinge of conscience over calling you nasty names, I'll apologise.
You know apologies arent magic contracts that burst in to flame if you really dont mean them. Very often in social situations you will find yourself apologizing for things just to cool the drama down. Then again, seeing as you created an entire thread dedicated to drama Ill wager thats the last thing you want.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Quote from: BadBeast on March 09, 2012, 06:06:55 AM
Look Nigel, I was out of the blue, deliberately dropped into a fucking horrible situation that had nothing to do with me, where I could see no other options other than to react like I did. I'm not a Saint. I don't respond well to being fucked with like that. (Although I think that's probably loud and clear by now)
And when I said I don't do grudge, It's the truth. I'm not keeping any shit list, or waiting for a chance to get some sort of revenge. That ain't me at all. I'm not even angry. But all I want to do now, is draw a line under it. This has had some bitchin fallout. I am offering my hand now, with every bit of grace I can. I am genuinely sorry about this, but all I can manage at the moment, by way of apology is a sincere promise that as soon as I feel any remorse or twinge of conscience over calling you nasty names, I'll apologise.
Sorry, I don't speak sociopath.
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Yeah, The Slingshot Lounge told me that next time I bring you there for drinks I need to reserve the entire back room. And they wanted to know if you could please not all go to the bathroom at the same time as the pipes don't have sufficient diameter for that.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Yeah, The Slingshot Lounge told me that next time I bring you there for drinks I need to reserve the entire back room. And they wanted to know if you could please not all go to the bathroom at the same time as the pipes don't have sufficient diameter for that.
:lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Yeah, The Slingshot Lounge told me that next time I bring you there for drinks I need to reserve the entire back room. And they wanted to know if you could please not all go to the bathroom at the same time as the pipes don't have sufficient diameter for that.
Nigel qualifies as an entire statisitical sample for the US Census Dept.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 09, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Yeah, The Slingshot Lounge told me that next time I bring you there for drinks I need to reserve the entire back room. And they wanted to know if you could please not all go to the bathroom at the same time as the pipes don't have sufficient diameter for that.
Nigel qualifies as an entire statisitical sample for the US Census Dept.
One, giant pocket of snaggle-toothed cunts in Portland.
Put a bird on it.
Nigel is a human wave attack, just waiting to happen.
Quote from: navkat on March 09, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 09, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Yeah, The Slingshot Lounge told me that next time I bring you there for drinks I need to reserve the entire back room. And they wanted to know if you could please not all go to the bathroom at the same time as the pipes don't have sufficient diameter for that.
Nigel qualifies as an entire statisitical sample for the US Census Dept.
One, giant pocket of snaggle-toothed cunts in Portland.
Put a bird on it.
WE CAN PICKLE THAT!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Well, that explains the other thread.
(you now all know my terrible secret, I just pretend to know what's going on indefinitely).
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 09, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
I'm huge. I'm like, 30 people.
Well, that explains the other thread.
(you now all know my terrible secret, I just pretend to know what's going on indefinitely).
That's really not a bad strategy.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 09, 2012, 05:21:30 AM
I'm still having trouble seeing the part where Nigel=Lynch Mob, to be honest.
Can you see it now? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF78W4NhkSI)
:madbanana:
I fucking love you retards.