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Evolution in its totality requires faith.  Why?  Because the "missing links" are still missing.  Evolution in its simplest elements is an obvious truth.

You cannot disprove God with science. You cannot disprove science with God.

You cannot worship science like it's God. You cannot study God like it's science.

And, when your religion becomes science, you cannot make your science God (i.e. Nature operates just fine without divine intervention AND God is real to some, most even, no matter what logical arguments you use to disprove Bible verses written 2000 years ago).

If you can separate your God from your science, you can see that both can be "true" (and you have to know what that means).

Global warming (in that the entire globe is warming just because of us snooty Americans driving our SUVs and sipping our Big Gulps) is a lie.  Evidence: http://www.worldclimatereport.com/archive/previous_issues/vol4/v4n7/hot1.htm http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

http://www.reasons.org/tnrtb/2008/06/02/evolution-as-mythology-part-5-of-5-conclusion/
This is a somewhat neutral look at creation theory vs. evolution.  It explains that both share something in common: faith.  It sucks that that has to be true, but, somehow, I believe it (I have faith that it takes faith for our 2 current theories of the origin of life). 

I do believe there is a strong element of chance involved in the origin of mankind, but it is not as simple as Lord Boldemort building atoms out of wood in his workshop and creating the world's first humans (where did the animals come from?).  So, there literally needs to be some grand explanation (even if it's simple) for how we (and they, the furry woodland creatures) got here.  It could be aliens (please, Aliens, let it be aliens!), it could be God (in that some Universe or galaxy is God... or perhaps even the laws of Nature) or it could be totally, completely, undeniably random chance (even though 100% randomness is, and always will be, just an idea).  So, whatever your bias is will most likely lead you to whatever theory you believe in (I go for the mathematical/scientific kinds).  But, it is not an arbitrary belief, this belief in the Origin of the Species.  No, it affects you and everyone else, like it or not.  So (I use the word 'so' alot), choose, but choose wisely.  The real grail, er.. Theory will bring you life.  The false one will take it from you... (just like Diet Coke).

Good point(s).  I have to agree with you.  Only one thing is forgotten: that people will work for change if you make them (usually). Examples: the Civil Rights movement (MLK had plenty of fellow "activists" in that they talked about it.  He ,and others, had to make them actually do it), the Sexual Revolution, the New Deal (despite its flaws, it's chief success was giving people civic duty), the November Revolution (in Russia), the Conspiracy Theorists (in the here and now), and the American Revolution.  These things didn't just come about magically.  They were inspired by a few key "players" (like Thomas Paine or V.I. Lenin).  Getting fed up is only human, though.  I've been there myself (I'm actually almost always fed up! ) 

Ty. *bows*  I appreciate the feedback.

Sure thing (in about 20 minutes tops - I'm going through the .gif now).

many of them describe evolution as if species can cross over into different linages, and use that idea as proof against evolution ... ie and dog/penquin
and i suspect many of them know thats misrepresenting the theory and i really believe many of them know they are wrong
and you know what I dont think they care
when you have so much of your emotions and life invested in an abstraction truth and rational doesn't even factor into the equation

Oh no, I have to disagree... having once been a Fundie. I was a good student in school, I got good grades in Science, but I was sure that Evolution was a crock of shit. I absolutely thought that "Missing Link" was a valid argument and that there was no real evidence of one animal turning into another. Of course, I also believed that Carbon Dating was a fraud and that pillow lava had been found on Mt. Ararat proving that it was once covered in water.

Oh and I absolutely believed that there was secular evidence for Jesus.

The Reality Tunnel I lived in saw plenty of evidence to support these positions and no evidence to support the reverse. At this point, I've decided that evolution seems likely to be a key mechanism, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn 100 years from now that we're missing some huge hunks of what really happened (panspermia,  bdelloid rotifers carrying DNA from one entity to another playing Lincoln Logs with DNA, accidental trash dump from a passing space ship...) but that, I think, is because I fully expect to get another major surprise like I got when I suddenly stumbled on the supporting evidence for evolution.

In my experience, most fundies aren't fooling themselves... they simply have a very restrictive reality tunnel.

I'm with you on this one.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070210170623.htm  Possible explanation of the missing "missing link."

"I've come up with nothing profound.
All that remains are sticks and brambles
inside my head...
At least we can all enjoy a good old fashion bonfire!
Besides, if I'm going down in flames I should at least do it in style!!!
I won't take down anyone with me...
cos then they'd know where I am.."
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I like it.  It's my motto, as well: If ya gotta go, go in style!

This one is obsolete.  I was wrong to think 10 seconds is enough time to read an entire page.  There's another version on the "Or Kill Me" section.  Thanks.

The old one didn't wait long enough between frames (this one is slightly improved).  For some reason, the "Step 3" frame skips ahead.  I'll post the frame below for you.  You may have to reload/refresh to see the intro.  Btw, all quotes & statistic are taken from the source cited in the animation.  If the timing isn't long enough (or it's too long) on individual frames, be sure to comment (there's 120 seconds/frame except for the 1st one, which has 40).  Thanks.

That was powerful, poignant and potently purposeful.  I wish I could do that.  Srsly.  Elitism is angry, white men (and wimmin) with little to no morals (and that's been proven scientifically - there actually are more sociopathic types in power.  See: http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/greatergood/current_issue/keltner.html.  Another "Is it the chicken or is it the egg?" writing).  Good job on this!  Although, now i have to change my quote...

Author's note: I removed this animation because I screwed up a few minor details. 
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=16979.0 <- Final version (or close to it, that is).

Dude, chill out.  I just changed it.