I'm not sure what to do with all of my thoughts to get them to the most appropriate audience, where I can influence the most people, but I figured I'd share with you all, and ask for ideas. I've never set up websites, but I'm learning what I can. Also, I don't mind intelligent criticism. I hope to post more, but I spend most of my time reading what I've found peripherally off this site and others about the state of the world.
Capitalism. The American Way. A ,ÄúSurvival of the Fittest,Äù struggle for dominance in the financial arena, the modern Coliseum. The people who inherit the earth are the ones who can own it. It,Äôs a simple con, really. Just convince somebody that something has value, and get something better out of them in trade. They have made the biggest game in town ,ÄúLet,Äôs see who can own more stuff.,Äù It may just have been a natural convergence of the Alpha Males of the hairless ape. But then I remember that there are people who are trained by right of birth to expect to influence the world. There are people who are prepared from pre-conception to uphold the ideals of the privileged class.
Inherent human tendency is to justify superiority over anyone whose experience in life is different than your own. It,Äôs reinforced by the natural desire to support the school one is assigned to, to cheer for the home team. But every interaction in people,Äôs lives is based on me against you, or us against them. The dangerous thing is how people have risen from successive generations to own 90% of everything in America, and unrelentingly plot to own the rest of the world. People make it their sole mission in life to part other people from their paychecks. Every advertisement that we come across as a matter of courseα, hundreds of times a day, and rising, is the result of greedy people trying to make money. Every new product screams that it will make your life better, easier, more comfortable. The cost is deferred on ,ÄúNo Payments, No Interest ,Äòtil Three Years From Now!,Äù ,ÄúAct now to lock in this GREAT interest rate!,Äù
There is always a cost to pay, sometime.
Every day there are more people adding their voices to the symphony of intelligent thought. Scientists who have spent their lives in pursuit of all knowledge in a given field have come from many specialties to tell the world about the consequences of global warming, pollution, fossil fuel use, the rainforest, and the list goes on. THE PLANET IS DYING! Every year there are more people trying to live like Americans. Every culture that emulates the piss poor behavior of Consumerist America helps to drag the furthest edge of the future a step closer to the present. The US produces a quarter of the world,Äôs garbage. We only have five percent of the population. Ruthless business practices have produced fledgling industries in other countries where government oversight might be lacking. All the time, the people who make the money instil Their particular brand of ethic upon the indigenous population, setting a horrendous example of ,ÄúBusiness as Usual.,Äù
The American people do not realize the severity of the situation. Like all people, they are concerned with what concerns them, taking care of the kids, trying to afford all the stuff they,Äôve been sold, and the never ending quest to get the work done. Joe Everyman thinks that because his life ain,Äôt so bad, as a matter of fact, then it,Äôs just going to stay that way. He thinks that Tsunamis and Hurricanes happen to somebody else. He thinks that it,Äôs a shame that gas prices keep going up, coincidentally along with record profits. But mainly he thinks that it,Äôs his God given right.
The American people have been sold the worst kind of propaganda. The lie is that they have the right to not care about anything but comfort. They have been told from birth that if you work hard enough you can live a life of luxury. That if you don,Äôt work at all, you still deserve enough to get by. And the quality of what we need to ,Äújust get by,Äù is in reality a level of comfort that would seem unimaginable to the rest of the world. The entire nation has gone to sleep. I don,Äôt know if it was the effect of ever increasing technology, the dividends of creative minds, or if there was a Lullaby playing in the background to the tune of the Star Spangled Banner. What I DO knαow is that the people in America need to open their eyes and realize that when the World Community protects themselves against the direction that Our Elected Leaders are taking the planet, they are not the threat they,Äôll appear. Joe Everyman will need to understand that voices of rationality have to prevail against the propaganda. Difficult decisions are ahead for more than just America, but I feel that if there is a world wide understanding of Wise Courses of Action, then the outcome will be favorable.
you're preaching to the choir, but you appear to know that already.
other than that, I like your writing style.
:mittens:
I thought TGRR would like that one.
Nice rant. The scariest part is alot of people actually know(or come to realize) all of these things and they do nothing about it, as a matter of fact, they even continue their current course of living. The rich may say this is "survival of the fittest," but that's bullshit. There's no such thing as pride or ego among the animals, they compete only when their life depends on it and most of all, they take only what they need.
Now, lets see how we can solve this problem...
Nicely said. And CowDude is right...there are many who discover this shameful little secret and do fuckall. Dulling yourself with teevee ftw.
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on November 28, 2006, 04:08:16 AM
There's no such thing as pride or ego among the animals, they compete only when their life depends on it and most of all, they take only what they need.
this is factually inaccurate. Plenty of animals demonstrate what we would call "pride" or "ego". Most compete for mating rights and territory as well as for self-defense. And many animals either hoard things or kill more than they need to survive. Predatory instinct is not tied just to hunger.
Isn't it male lions who, upon assuming leadership of a pride, kill any recently born cubs so as to put the females back into heat? That sort of "it's got to be MY genetic material" sentiment is echoed in humans a lot, too, though humans will dress it up in fancier language.
Most everybody loves wealth when it's sustainable. That's the only issue is creating a happy level of wealth without killing the host. Problem is many people don't care about maintaining paradise for tomorrow and anon because they personally are going to die. So who gives a fuck if the world ends in a century or two? Not enough fuckers give a shit about the end of the world I'm afraid, and many seem to actually welcome its demise. An evil manifest destiny. Eternal paradise is refurbishable, but unlikely considering the general fatalist mindset of humes.
Quote from: Benaclypse on November 29, 2006, 02:51:51 AM
Most everybody loves wealth when it's sustainable. That's the only issue is creating a happy level of wealth without killing the host. Problem is many people don't care about maintaining paradise for tomorrow and anon because they personally are going to die. So who gives a fuck if the world ends in a century or two? Not enough fuckers give a shit about the end of the world I'm afraid, and many seem to actually welcome its demise. An evil manifest destiny. Eternal paradise is refurbishable, but unlikely considering the general fatalist mindset of humes.
The student asked the master how to reply to smartnessL
Cheap are the volcanic science holes
After the launch the victors hunger, 1/3 progeny dishonors the drunk father
prepare for middleland crisis
Quote from: Friar Puck on November 29, 2006, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on November 29, 2006, 02:51:51 AM
Most everybody loves wealth when it's sustainable.  That's the only issue is creating a happy level of wealth without killing the host.  Problem is many people don't care about maintaining paradise for tomorrow and anon because they personally are going to die.  So who gives a fuck if the world ends in a century or two?  Not enough fuckers give a shit about the end of the world I'm afraid, and many seem to actually welcome its demise.  An evil manifest destiny.  Eternal paradise is refurbishable, but unlikely considering the general fatalist mindset of humes.
The student asked the master how to reply to smartnessL
Cheap are the volcanic science holes
After the launch the victors hunger, 1/3 progeny dishonors the drunk father
prepare for middleland crisis
Please to be more obscure - I came dangerously close to understanding what you said there and I wouldn't like that happening again.
oh joy. more attempts at dada-ist nonsense.
Quote from: Friar Puck on November 29, 2006, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on November 29, 2006, 02:51:51 AM
Most everybody loves wealth when it's sustainable.  That's the only issue is creating a happy level of wealth without killing the host.  Problem is many people don't care about maintaining paradise for tomorrow and anon because they personally are going to die.  So who gives a fuck if the world ends in a century or two?  Not enough fuckers give a shit about the end of the world I'm afraid, and many seem to actually welcome its demise.  An evil manifest destiny.  Eternal paradise is refurbishable, but unlikely considering the general fatalist mindset of humes.
The student asked the master how to reply to smartnessL
Cheap are the volcanic science holes
After the launch the victors hunger, 1/3 progeny dishonors the drunk father
prepare for middleland crisis
BoomKatKettle does this schtick better.
Just saying.
Damn. I miss that damned Kettle.
It's hard to reconcile decent writing like this with the whiny shit and copy-cat bullshit that came later.
Maybe someone stole the real Bhode's moniker?
Maybe he was just having an off day. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 24, 2006, 09:55:06 PM
Maybe he was just having an off day. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
An off day explains the bad writing, which I can forgive.
It doesn't excuse the fuckwit swiping my tagline, and then excusing it with "it's bigger than just one person".
Morally, of course, there's zero (0) difference between that and the things he complains about.
Hah, you believe in morals. Territorial crybaby.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 24, 2006, 10:30:41 PM
Hah, you believe in morals.  Territorial crybaby.
So your beliefs were all a lie.
What a shock. Just another suburban whiteboi with a bad case of guilt.
:lol:
There's a difference between morals and practicality. It's just stupid to ruin the planet for the future generations of our species, but not morally wrong. Morals reflect the established doctrines of whatever culture you're a part of, which could include cannibalism, incest, and any number of things depending on where you grew up. But morals don't make you right. You should know better than that by now.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 24, 2006, 10:36:27 PM
There's a difference between morals and practicality. It's just stupid to ruin the planet for the future generations of our species, but not morally wrong. Morals reflect the established doctrines of whatever culture you're a part of, which could include cannibalism, incest, and any number of things depending on where you grew up. But morals don't make you right. You should know better than that by now.
:mittens:
Hold on. Close to a good point, but it doesn't work for me.
In another 20 billion years the universe will collapse on itself, and not only won't exist, but will never have existed. (a difficult concept but I think i'm onto something there) Therefore suffering in a cave for the sake of the dolphins or the future cave offspring doesn't logically compute either.
Destroy the plant, save the planet... Either way the sun is going to expand and fry it like mercury.
And you know how I hate Mercury.
collapse on itself and still be a universe
intense
theres also a strong chance that when it reexpands it will do it in the exact same way repeating forever, make the most of your actions by your own moral judgments but be sure to consider that you are wrong, also the human race will be long gone before the sun ever expands,
I can see your point, I even agree with it to a certain extent, but I do feel there is a difference between doing something stupidly, and doing it intelligently, regardless of what timescale you use.
If the universe collapses and disappears, space goes away as does time. In a way if the universe doesn't exist, it never existed. Nothing matters.
If the universe reforms, and does so in the exact same way, everything will happen exactly the same. That means no free will, so our actions mean nothing, as we're only doing the same thing we did before, and will continure to do. Nothing matters.
As far as stupid and smart desicions, it's a matter of taste. Your smart decisions are stupid to me. Nothing matters.
on a side note, have you read Transmetropolitan? The main character is semi-modeled on HST.
My name was almost Spider Durden.
My hatefum venom is semi-modeled on Transmet.
Nothing matters might be true, but I still care. Only sometimes though.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 24, 2006, 11:01:20 PM
If the universe collapses and disappears, space goes away as does time. In a way if the universe doesn't exist, it never existed. Nothing matters.
If the universe reforms, and does so in the exact same way, everything will happen exactly the same. That means no free will, so our actions mean nothing, as we're only doing the same thing we did before, and will continure to do. Nothing matters.
As far as stupid and smart desicions, it's a matter of taste. Your smart decisions are stupid to me. Nothing matters.
Not quite, a snapshot put into a film reel and played over and over is still of an event, made by the people in it, its their actions that count. In fact if anything it makes them more important because it will never change. we can never know what happened before or again so your out of luck dont pin this on lack of free will.
Your smart decisions are stupid to mefine and dandy, just be sure you are always open to the possibility you are wrong in that judgment and you will have smooth sailing.
If the universe is all there is though, there is no snapshot. It would be different if there was an outside looking in, but the universe is it.
I personally believe in free will. I also personally believe that because one day we won't exist, in a way we never exist. It's kind of an effect before cause thing. We won't exist, therefore we don't exist. Sounds weird, but it makes sense to me.
I don't really believe in being wrong or right (sorta). Everything is opinion. Reality is subjective to me. What is (to me) is, what isn't (to me) isn't.
I'm right until i'm wrong.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 24, 2006, 11:20:28 PM
If the universe is all there is though, there is no snapshot. It would be different if there was an outside looking in, but the universe is it.
I personally believe in free will. I also personally believe that because one day we won't exist, in a way we never exist. It's kind of an effect before cause thing. We won't exist, therefore we don't exist. Sounds weird, but it makes sense to me.
I don't really believe in being wrong or right (sorta). Everything is opinion. Reality is subjective to me. What is (to me) is, what isn't (to me) isn't.
I'm right until i'm wrong.
4th, 5th and 6th dimesions are sorta outside our whole spacetime universe the way I understand it. Apparently our universe looks beige from outside.
Also right and wrong don't even figure in the trully subjective experience. All just is.
Just sayin
lso right and wrong don't even figure in the trully subjective experience. All just is.
right and wrong are all that matter, as a human we will never know our experiences from an abstractions point of view. If everything was taken away and all that was left was your mind and your memories, what you do with them/think of them over a great scale of time determines if you will or will not suffer much, thats why regrets are such bad things.
Dig deeper
According to certain theorist, (i.e. I believe String Theory) our universe has 10 dimensions. There's no way to explain them, they can only be explained mathematically. I'd like to think there are alternate universes, but I'm not altering my life for it.
In a subjective world (which most people live in, but refuse to admit), whats right to you is right, wrong to you wrong. Everything is opinion.
I doubt the universe looks beige. Many people think of nothingness as a black void, sometimes a white void. I don't really think we can envision nothing, we've never seen it. Monkey brains too small to envision it.
As long as you can live with yourself for your actions, they will always be "right".
Dig deeper
I did, its logic cyclical, if thats what you meant by thats all there is then that would be the case.
All we have is our experiences
And our opinions, without them there is the void/fullness of simply being.
and then you are still sitting on your toddy on the couch on what has just turned Christmas day,
regardless of how much navel gazing or "mental masturbation" is done, all that remains is me.
I will live and then die and and what happens next if anything, no one can tell me. So if there is nothing, I intend to live my life by my own morals(often changing with the info I receive), and If I make mistakes I will learn from them, but to go against what I know to be true(even if it is wrong) is a terrible thing, from either the point of view that all I have is this life, or the one that it is preparation for something more.
As long as you can live with yourself for your actions, they will always be "right".
you better be sure of that, because for example a killer, if he ever changes his bubbled view, the regret could crush him.
If the killer changes his bubbled view, and killing is wrong, his regret is his not being able to live with himself. He ceases to be right, because that is his choice.
yes it is, the point is he will suffer, and sometimes its really hard to stop realization(suddenly finding the others view correct in this instance), choice or not.
Are you suggesting I live my life in constant fear that one day my worldview will be thrown on it's head and I should do my best not to do anything so I don't regret it later.
Better stop using the internets. What if you realize the Mennonites are right about technology? Should I not eat another hamburger. Might realize it's murder one day.
I'll play the odds.
not at all, I'm not suggesting you do anything, just pointing out the dangers of bubbled views, if it works dont fix it.
I dont live in fear but I think I have fucked the any views of consequence in my mind, and its become more of an intuitive method of choosing what to do.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 24, 2006, 11:07:26 PM
Nothing matters might be true, but I still care.  Only sometimes though. 
Yeah, you care so much you want 90% of the population to die, to meet your ethical standards.
:lol:
What I care about it "success" for my species as it relates to the planet. I think we just have different ideas of what constitutes success. And they're not my ethical standards, they're my practical standards. And until you offer something more reasonable to believe your opinions are disregarded as childish and insignificant. Get over your power trip. Take a good dump. Do whatever you gotta do to purge your hate so we can move on to something productive.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 02:39:38 AM
What I care about it "success" for my species as it relates to the planet.  I think we just have different ideas of what constitutes success.  And they're not my ethical standards, they're my practical standards.  So eat me, gimpy.
And, to you, "success" means the death of billions, so we can "move back into our regular niche".
This IS our regular niche, you fucking idiot.
And I know you have no ethical standards. You've already proven that.
This is not our regular niche, because it's doomed to failure. I'm advocating an alternative that is empirically successful at keeping our species alive. All you're advocating is an illogical twisting of my words in an attempt to prove yourself somehow superior because of juvenile territory issues. Get Over It!
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:00:57 AM
This is not our regular niche, because it's doomed to failure.  I'm advocating an alternative that is empirically successful at keeping our species alive.  All you're advocating is an illogical twisting of my words in an attempt to prove yourself somehow superior because of juvenile territory issues.  Get Over It!
We are a tool using species. This is our regular niche. Deal with it.
Beats wanting billions to die, so that the rest can live in squalor.
And no, I intend to continue hounding you. Sorry. :lol:
I'm comforted in the idea that you will die before me.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:14:56 AM
I'm comforted in the idea that you will die before me.
Anything is possible, but I doubt it.
Now, explain to me why approx 11 out of 12 people should willingly starve, etc, for your little vision.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 25, 2006, 12:26:47 AM
Are you suggesting I live my life in constant fear that one day my worldview will be thrown on it's head and I should do my best not to do anything so I don't regret it later.
I try my best to throw my worldview on it's head at least once a day, just to see how it looks usually. I forumulate little objectives from time to time, play the game. I try and accomplish these, "I want to own this.", "I want to try that.", "Need blowjob .. must .. find ... woman.", etc.
Morals appear to me to come more from social convention issues, themselves drawn from an over all, fairly vague racial or familial set of ojectives. My morals are irrelevent. There are some things I wouldn't do, killing under regular circumstance, prolly down to early imprinting, coupled with a bit of logical, strategic thinking. It's kinda dumb just to wipe someone you never met out just because they pissed you off at a traffic light, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses whom, even if you get away with it, will certainly shun you and refuse to sell you food and things. It aint moral it's pure self interest. We know a certain level of society makes sense but, when it comes right down to it, you want a bunch of somethings and those things are all that really all that matters to you.
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm. and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather. Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen. Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing. It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again. Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.
The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within. No large societies = No Machine = Good
I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm. and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather. Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen. Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing. It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again. Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.
The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within. No large societies = No Machine = Good
I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.
Jesus christ dude! Noooo! I sorta half defended you and now you spring this shit. You realise you're making me look bad here.
Can I retract?
I'm not saying I would kill them, I just don't see any other alternative that would: 1- Get rid of the Machine 2- allow for our species to survive indefinitely. If you've got a better idea to achieve those goals, I'm all ears.
Granted, it's not "nice" and it's completely against so many common assumptions in our culture, but from what I can figure, it would be effective. I don't wanna alienate anybody, but I gotta say what I gotta say.
I also freely admit that it's an impractical solution. Logic dictates that if there were a disease or man-made threat that could wipe out a vast majority of the world's population, the powers that be would do everything in their power to stop it right? Right?
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.
The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good
I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.
Har har! Good luck selling THAT, Reverend Jones. :lol:
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 25, 2006, 03:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.
The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good
I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.
Jesus christ dude! Noooo! I sorta half defended you and now you spring this shit. You realise you're making me look bad here.
Can I retract?
Hee hee! Whatsamatter, dude? You don't want to go back to grubbing under rocks for worms?
:lol:
Fact is, I'd rather live like a fucking HUMAN, not like a damned chimpanzee. What kind of fucking life does he offer? The life of an animal. Forget art, forget literature, forget EVERYTHING but a short, brutal, and ugly life...until we die of an abcessed tooth. Or until a planet killing asteroid comes along, and there we are without the technology to do anything about it. *poof!* Wiped out, erased...and we'd DESERVE it, for so foolishly trying to be something we're not.
Hey, Bhode! You want that life? Move to fucking Darfur. You'd fit right in!
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 04:31:03 AM
Granted, it's not "nice"
It would make Hitler blush, you fucking monster. :lulz:
What dumbshit fails to realize, of course, is that The Machine,Ñ¢ isn't a collection of cogs and wheels and PLCs, it's in our fucking HEADS...and running back to the caves won't solve ANYFUCKINGTHING, because we'd just take it with us.
Because the root cause of the problem is in the wiring of our little primate brains. Dumbshit's "answer" would make the problem WORSE, not better.
we already tried swinging through the trees and living in caves. obviously, it just led us to where we are today.
Quote from: Bhode_SativaREPEAT HISTORY! IT WILL SAVE YUO FROM THE FUTURE!
Quote from: vexaph0d on December 25, 2006, 06:06:08 AM
we already tried swinging through the trees and living in caves.  obviously, it just led us to where we are today.
Quote from: Bhode_SativaREPEAT HISTORY! IT WILL SAVE YUO FROM THE FUTURE!
It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 06:07:05 AM
It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:
ha!
BAD JOKE:
Q: How do you save a species heading for self-destruction?
A: Kill them. (or kill me)
Quote from: vexaph0d on December 25, 2006, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 06:07:05 AM
It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:
ha!
BAD JOKE:
Q: How do you save a species heading for self-destruction?
A: Kill them. (or kill me)
:lol:
To save the species, we had to destroy it.
Anarcho-primitivists embarrass the rest of us with unattainable anti-social ideals :-(
Materialism really isn't the problem, it's just the funneling of our instinct to survive into a newer game-mentallity. The Machine(tm) is just as present when you are beating your neighbor over the head with a rock because he won't "share" his fruit with you, as it is when you shoot that guy who took your place in line waiting to pick up your Playstation 3.
The latter incident is an anomaly. In desperation, the former is fact.
Can't let yourself get hung up on easy solutions like "kill all the humans".
Bhode I think TGRR is getting to you.
Just as a point might peek out its head you say things like:
"your going to die before me"
"I'm just practical"
"Our species is doomed to failure"
All assumptions. Weak ones. The being of course that our species is doomed to failure. How? If our evil pollution fucks everything up, we are the only species that can make our own heat source, and cleanse water. If the sun explodes one day, we can leave the planet.
We are in first place, and it feels damn good.
As for the machine, cavemen started it. The ones that decided the light in the sky was an invisible man that wants virgin sacrifices. In our current state we are closer to breakout then ever. I'm sure Galileo and newton wouldn't mind giving up some mountain clear air for all the advances in phyics we've made. Just a thought.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 05:35:50 AM
Hee hee! Whatsamatter, dude? You don't want to go back to grubbing under rocks for worms?
:lol:
Think ya now me better than that dude. What I'm saying is that if that's where humanity's headed I'll find the lulz.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 02:16:48 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 24, 2006, 11:07:26 PM
Nothing matters might be true, but I still care. Only sometimes though.
Yeah, you care so much you want 90% of the population to die, to meet your ethical standards.
:lol:
I personally wouldn't mind a large portion of humans killing themselves off, but that has nothing to do with ethical standards, and everything to do with my hatred of stupid people. At least I don't mock it up as something nice-nice.
And, hey Bhode, when you want to talk REAL enviromental ethics, instead of Fisher Price: My First Treehugging Attempt, call me up. Untill then, I'll be laughing. :lol: