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Started by Bhode_Sativa, November 27, 2006, 07:00:31 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#45
December 25, 2006, 03:20:29 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:14:56 AM
I'm comforted in the idea that you will die before me.

Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

Now, explain to me why approx 11 out of 12 people should willingly starve, etc, for your little vision.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

P3nT4gR4m

#46
December 25, 2006, 03:42:01 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 25, 2006, 12:26:47 AM
Are you suggesting I live my life in constant fear that one day my worldview will be thrown on it's head and I should do my best not to do anything so I don't regret it later.

I try my best to throw my worldview on it's head at least once a day, just to see how it looks usually. I forumulate little objectives from time to time, play the game. I try and accomplish these, "I want to own this.", "I want to try that.", "Need blowjob .. must .. find ... woman.", etc.

Morals appear to me to come more from social convention issues, themselves drawn from an over all, fairly vague racial or familial set of ojectives. My morals are irrelevent. There are some things I wouldn't do, killing under regular circumstance, prolly down to early imprinting, coupled with a bit of logical, strategic thinking. It's kinda dumb just to wipe someone you never met out just because they pissed you off at a traffic light, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses whom, even if you get away with it, will certainly shun you and refuse to sell you food and things. It aint moral it's pure self interest. We know a certain level of society makes sense but, when it comes right down to it, you want a bunch of somethings and those things are all that really all that matters to you.




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Bhode_Sativa

#47
December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.

The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good

I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.

P3nT4gR4m

#48
December 25, 2006, 03:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.

The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good

I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.

Jesus christ dude! Noooo! I sorta half defended you and now you spring this shit. You realise you're making me look bad here.

Can I retract?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Bhode_Sativa

#49
December 25, 2006, 04:31:03 AM Last Edit: December 25, 2006, 05:17:49 AM by Bhode_Sativa
I'm not saying I would kill them, I just don't see any other alternative that would: 1- Get rid of the Machine  2- allow for our species to survive indefinitely.  If you've got a better idea to achieve those goals, I'm all ears.

Granted, it's not "nice" and it's completely against so many common assumptions in our culture, but from what I can figure, it would be effective.  I don't wanna alienate anybody, but I gotta say what I gotta say.

I also freely admit that it's an impractical solution.  Logic dictates that if there were a disease or man-made threat that could wipe out a vast majority of the world's population, the powers that be would do everything in their power to stop it right?  Right?

The Good Reverend Roger

#50
December 25, 2006, 05:32:08 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.

The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good

I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.

Har har!  Good luck selling THAT, Reverend Jones.  :lol:

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#51
December 25, 2006, 05:35:50 AM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 25, 2006, 03:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
not willingly starve, be wiped out by a disease or cataclysm.  and that would allow a shift from the city paradigm to one of roving bands of humans living off of what food they can hunt/gather.  Materialism is the problem I'd like to eliminate and I think that nothing short of widespread death will allow it to happen.  Returning to a tribal lifestyle would allow the diversity necessary to increase the odds of success instead of the trend toward Monoculture we're currently seeing.  It would take a while for the growth of living things to reclaim the cities and fix the damage already done by pollution, but the relationships between humans would improve right away, because we'd be forced by our struggle for survival to depend on each other again.  Also it'd be a step back from the blind pursuit of technology, which currently is driven by the military/industrial complex in areas that allow the Machine to expand its control of individuals through surveillance, which would promote personal freedom and self-reliance in a tangible way.

The human population on the planet successfully lived in tribes up until the comparatively recent development of Totalitarian Agriculture, where people started to live in larger societies, thereby developing the Machine, which has gotten too big to eliminate from within.  No large societies = No Machine = Good

I'd like to hear other alternatives to getting rid of the Machine, and ensuring the future survival of our species.

Jesus christ dude! Noooo! I sorta half defended you and now you spring this shit. You realise you're making me look bad here.

Can I retract?

Hee hee!  Whatsamatter, dude?  You don't want to go back to grubbing under rocks for worms?

:lol:

Fact is, I'd rather live like a fucking HUMAN, not like a damned chimpanzee.  What kind of fucking life does he offer?  The life of an animal.  Forget art, forget literature, forget EVERYTHING but a short, brutal, and ugly life...until we die of an abcessed tooth.  Or until a planet killing asteroid comes along, and there we are without the technology to do anything about it.  *poof!*  Wiped out, erased...and we'd DESERVE it, for so foolishly trying to be something we're not.

Hey, Bhode!  You want that life?  Move to fucking Darfur.  You'd fit right in!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#52
December 25, 2006, 05:36:52 AM
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on December 25, 2006, 04:31:03 AM


Granted, it's not "nice"

It would make Hitler blush, you fucking monster.  :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#53
December 25, 2006, 05:47:34 AM
What dumbshit fails to realize, of course, is that The Machine,Ñ¢ isn't a collection of cogs and wheels and PLCs, it's in our fucking HEADS...and running back to the caves won't solve ANYFUCKINGTHING, because we'd just take it with us.

Because the root cause of the problem is in the wiring of our little primate brains.  Dumbshit's "answer" would make the problem WORSE, not better.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

vexaph0d

#54
December 25, 2006, 06:06:08 AM
we already tried swinging through the trees and living in caves.  obviously, it just led us to where we are today.

Quote from: Bhode_SativaREPEAT HISTORY! IT WILL SAVE YUO FROM THE FUTURE!
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The Good Reverend Roger

#55
December 25, 2006, 06:07:05 AM
Quote from: vexaph0d on December 25, 2006, 06:06:08 AM
we already tried swinging through the trees and living in caves.  obviously, it just led us to where we are today.

Quote from: Bhode_SativaREPEAT HISTORY! IT WILL SAVE YUO FROM THE FUTURE!


It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

vexaph0d

#56
December 25, 2006, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 06:07:05 AM
It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:

ha!

BAD JOKE:

Q: How do you save a species heading for self-destruction?
A: Kill them. (or kill me)
FRied Eggs for Eris, the FREE Cabal. No applicants accepted.

The Good Reverend Roger

#57
December 25, 2006, 06:24:27 AM
Quote from: vexaph0d on December 25, 2006, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2006, 06:07:05 AM
It only works if you sacrifice 6,000,000,000 men, women, and children. :lol:

ha!

BAD JOKE:

Q: How do you save a species heading for self-destruction?
A: Kill them. (or kill me)

:lol:

To save the species, we had to destroy it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Hangero

#58
December 25, 2006, 06:49:18 AM
Anarcho-primitivists embarrass the rest of us with unattainable anti-social ideals  :-(

Materialism really isn't the problem, it's just the funneling of our instinct to survive into a newer game-mentallity.  The Machine(tm) is just as present when you are beating your neighbor over the head with a rock because he won't "share" his fruit with you, as it is when you shoot that guy who took your place in line waiting to pick up your Playstation 3.

The latter incident is an anomaly.  In desperation, the former is fact.

Can't let yourself get hung up on easy solutions like "kill all the humans".

hunter s.durden

#59
December 25, 2006, 09:00:14 AM
Bhode I think TGRR is getting to you.
Just as a point might peek out its head you say things like:
"your going to die before me"
"I'm just practical"
"Our species is doomed to failure"
All assumptions. Weak ones. The being of course that our species is doomed to failure. How? If our evil pollution fucks everything up, we are the only species that can make our own heat source, and cleanse water. If the sun explodes one day, we can leave the planet.

We are in first place, and it feels damn good.

As for the machine, cavemen started it. The ones that decided the light in the sky was an invisible man that wants virgin sacrifices. In our current state we are closer to breakout then ever. I'm sure Galileo and newton wouldn't mind giving up some mountain clear air for all the advances in phyics we've made. Just a thought.
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